OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'

[Tedw9]

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I meant to say in my response "But I must admit I do LIKE hearing..."

I must proof read better.

[Mr.3000]

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I am with you 100%. I think this is a fun debate, I respect EVERYONES opinion as long as it agrees with mine! Just kidding. I do respect everyones opinion on this topic and every other topic they post about. I love this board and respect all those who post here. So I hope that anyone who I quote or respond to does not take it wrong, to me this is just a fun discussion. You all are good peeps.

And I agree with you about the personal side of players, it has nothing to do with them on the field. But I must admit I do hearing about the good things they do off the field. We have enough bad heaped upon us each night on the news, the good stories help balance it out if that makes sense.

This has been a fun thread, thank you all for the intelligent and respectful responses. There are some very smart and passionate fans on here.

Thank you as well Tedw9!

[markize]

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I agree with you on this. If my entire posts were read everyone would see that I've already said I am not a fan of Manny, nor have I ever been. I actually put Manny in the list of players I don't like. That said, he will go down as one of the greatest hitters of the game. Do I wish he played harder? Certainly. He'd then be easier to like. My position in this thread is mainly this - we, as fans and collectors are far too involved in players day to day lives and what they do off the field. Maybe ignorance is bliss. Sometime I wish I didn't know or didn't hear all of the garbage the media spews out about players and how everything a player does is viewed negatively. I say, to each their own. Not ever player is or can be a perfect role model and I don't expect them to be.

Manny may be a clown, but he puts up numbers. Good enough for me. Cal played the game the right way. Great for him. Jeter plays hard. Love watching him play. My all time favorite player, Pete Rose, knew how to play the game. Not many players today do. Eckstein plays hard. Then you have the flip side to those good players. You have Manny not hustling and not wanting to play in Boston anymore. You have pedro shutting himself down midway through a season.

Maybe I just except the good with the bad. Same with baseball as in life. I don't overly upset by an athlete who doesn't affect my daily life.

Just my .02


Note - It's difficult at time to read someones tone when reading written word. Nothing I say is meant to be argumentative. I am merely having a lighthearted discussion with everyone here.

I will assume this post is a follow up to mine. If you are upset with the way I came off, I'm sorry as I wasn't trying to be an a-hole. I never made a single reference to his personal life. I don't care if he clubs baby seals in the off season. I'm just saying there no stats for hustle, and integrity. I really don't feel I was assulting his character by stating the obvious about his work ethic on the field. I never take offense to what people say on the forum. Everyone has a personal opinion, and are entitled to share. I just said I don't care about the facts you regurgitated because I read them earlier in this thread. I also read you don't like manny. I was just asking you to put the stats aside for a second and see that there is more to a ballplayer than numbers-and I'm only talking on the field, like hustle and effort. I'm not trying to defend or assult Manny, just throwing out my opinion. I like to see a player hustle all the time. It's what they get paid to do.

So don't take what I typed the wrong way. I agree with you, it's tough to assume intent when your reading text. I'm just trying to discuss baseball, peacfully! No harm, no foul?

Mark

[skyking26]

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It's reported that Manny turned down Dodgers latest 1 year offer of $25 mil. Might be a good time for the Dodgers to sign Adam Dunn to a 1 year deal at a bargain price (which I think he'd do) and be dunn with it.

They'd have a 40 HR, 100 RBI guy at a fraction and stop with the theatrics already. What does everybody think?

[allstarsplus]

Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'

It's reported that Manny turned down Dodgers latest 1 year offer of $25 mil. Might be a good time for the Dodgers to sign Adam Dunn to a 1 year deal at a bargain price (which I think he'd do) and be dunn with it.

They'd have a 40 HR, 100 RBI guy at a fraction and stop with the theatrics already. What does everybody think?

The Red Sox won't take Manny back so unless the Angels or Yankees jump in then Manny better take that deal and run with it.

Also I am still personally hoping Adam Dunn comes to Washington!!!!

[skyking26]

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The Red Sox won't take Manny back so unless the Angels or Yankees jump in then Manny better take that deal and run with it.

Also I am still personally hoping Adam Dunn comes to Washington!!!!

I think Dunn should wake up and smell the coffee this year as well. Unless you are signing with the Yankees, longtime deals are not happening. I believe Dunn is waiting for Manny to go somewhere and that will dictate his direction....... If Manny signs in LA, look for Dunn in WA as nobody else has shown the clear interest that WA has shown him all along. I doubt he'd sign there beyond a year...

[suicide_squeeze]

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News out.......Manny just turned down a one year-$25 Million offer from the Dodgers.

Hopefully, that's a negotiation "starting point" and a way for the Dodgers to stick it back in the "craw" of Boras.

But I really hope the children put it all aside now, and get down to the business of getting the deal done.

The Dodgers need Manny's bat, or they're just another one-and-done if they make the play-offs. Manny earned what he's looking for. Give him three years in the neighborhood of $24 mil, and LET'S ROCK.

[suicide_squeeze]

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I too really appreciate the lively posters here. What a fun place to "air it out".

One thing I am picking up by all the comments seems to be a common feeling (correct me if I'm wrong) that if Manny, when happy, is one of the greatest right hand power hitters of all time.

If that is true, and I believe it is, and in light of some of the most rediculous salaries paid in MLB history (Jason Schmidt of the Dodgers and Barry Zito of the Giants jump out at me)......doesn't Manny DESERVE something close to what he is looking for? I mean, if the Dodgers can just get the concept in their heads that this guy can produce runs like NO OTHER IN THE GAME, why not make him happy? It's not a big risk!

On the other hand, try to low-ball him after what he did for the franchise last year (for FREE.....Boston paid his tab while Manny blew the doors off in Los Angeles)......and end up with a Manny who feels he has been disrespected again? I mean.......wake UP Dodgers, that is something that would be no one's fault but your own if that scenario comes to fruition.

Pay him.....give him a 3-year deal. Sign him, and look forward to some great times in Dodgers history again. I don't CARE about what Manny did while in Boston. You fans out there got two World Championships out of him. He wasn't happy there. Let it GO already. Let's all move on. If it was the other way around, I know I would be wishing Manny well wherever he was if he had brought two World Championships to L.A.

This guy is a legend.....even if he isn't the perfect role model to all of you off the field. But he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, he isn't a wife beater, he doesn't do drugs, he works HARD to keep himself in top shape....I mean, geez.....I understand why he feels bad that he isn't getting more interest. I think he needs to understand it's the economy, too, and not a reflection ENTIRELY on him.

[xpress34]

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http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/22982/mannyspitsondodgers25m/

That's all I have to say about Cry Baby ManRam and his 'nobody wants me' little tirade...

LOOK at the rest of the country and how many people are losing their jobs DAILY you arrogant idiot...

Just my .02 and I'm entitled to it.

[skyking26]

Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'

I too really appreciate the lively posters here. What a fun place to "air it out".

One thing I am picking up by all the comments seems to be a common feeling (correct me if I'm wrong) that if Manny, when happy, is one of the greatest right hand power hitters of all time.

If that is true, and I believe it is, and in light of some of the most rediculous salaries paid in MLB history (Jason Schmidt of the Dodgers and Barry Zito of the Giants jump out at me)......doesn't Manny DESERVE something close to what he is looking for? I mean, if the Dodgers can just get the concept in their heads that this guy can produce runs like NO OTHER IN THE GAME, why not make him happy? It's not a big risk!

On the other hand, try to low-ball him after what he did for the franchise last year (for FREE.....Boston paid his tab while Manny blew the doors off in Los Angeles)......and end up with a Manny who feels he has been disrespected again? I mean.......wake UP Dodgers, that is something that would be no one's fault but your own if that scenario comes to fruition.

Pay him.....give him a 3-year deal. Sign him, and look forward to some great times in Dodgers history again. I don't CARE about what Manny did while in Boston. You fans out there got two World Championships out of him. He wasn't happy there. Let it GO already. Let's all move on. If it was the other way around, I know I would be wishing Manny well wherever he was if he had brought two World Championships to L.A.

This guy is a legend.....even if he isn't the perfect role model to all of you off the field. But he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, he isn't a wife beater, he doesn't do drugs, he works HARD to keep himself in top shape....I mean, geez.....I understand why he feels bad that he isn't getting more interest. I think he needs to understand it's the economy, too, and not a reflection ENTIRELY on him.

He's a legend all right. The larger the legend in his mind the harder it will all be on him. No question, he's one of the best RH hitters of our time...That said, his attitude and all that has been written regarding his "one-ness," I think this last move, if I were the Dodgers I'd forget him entirely and sign Dunn. Leave manny out there. I'd be done with his attitude and the cancer he brings with him. Precious few will pay what he wants.

[camarokids]

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Suicide, yes you are wrong. Manny may be a good hitter. But who cares???

He refuses 25m to play a freaking game for one season. What an ass!

I hope no ones signs the clown. He is only one player. Signing him does guarantee a World Championship.

One question for you. How many clutch hits from David Ortiz (and others players on the team besides Manny) won key games for the Red Sox that helped the Sox win the WS in 2004 and 2007?

Contrary to what you are saying it was not even close to being all Manny.

Baseball is a team sport!

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: OT: Manny Ramirez: 'No one wants to sign me'

He's a legend all right. The larger the legend in his mind the harder it will all be on him. No question, he's one of the best RH hitters of our time...That said, his attitude and all that has been written regarding his "one-ness," I think this last move, if I were the Dodgers I'd forget him entirely and sign Dunn. Leave manny out there. I'd be done with his attitude and the cancer he brings with him. Precious few will pay what he wants.

I'm sorry, I just don't get it?

skyking26, I absolutely love and respect your posts, but I just don't understand all the Manny hatred.

"I'd be done with his attitude and the cancer he brings with him."

Let me tell you, what I saw first hand for three months last year was an attitude of "WIN" that electrified the Dodgers SO MUCH SO, it darn near carried them straight to the World Series. For Christ sake, they LOST to the eventual World Series winners? Where does that leave them?? To lose Manny at this point, they just wouldn't recover.

Signing Dunn to replace Manny is laughable. The guy strikes out 200+ times a season.......Hell, we just got rid of a player like that, and Andruw Jones to the best of my knowledge isn't having anybody knock on his door.....

And now, with a little play-off experience under their belts, Loney, Russell, Ethier, DeWitt.....these youngsters NEED an elite veteran like Manny to pick them up when they falter. The "cancer" Manny brought was the "GOLDEN ELIXER" that lifted this team. You cannot consider the "mess" that happened in Boston, that's a whole other chapter, and it's OVER.

Listen, I understand the hatred and anger about Manny and his "money wants".....but I stand by my belief.....compared to other contracts, and based on past performance, the dude DESERVES what he is looking for.... HE CAN BACK IT UP......AND HAS BACKED IT UP, consistently.

If the Dodgers don't sign him, they will be the losers.....the money will flow in, Los Angeles Dodger management......just take care of it from your end and SIGN HIM....or your fan base will dissolve faster than two Alka-Seltzer's dropped in a glass of boiling water........

I'll leave it at this.......

In late September, in a game against FIRST PLACE Arizona, with their ACE Brandon Webb on the mound......in a ZERO-ZERO game......and the game that would give sole posession of FIRST PLACE to the DODGERS if they won.....Manny stepped up to the plate with runners on first and second. I was there.....the crowd was screaming "MANNY.....MANNY....MANNY"

He had struck out with bases loaded in the third. This time......CRACK!!!

He hit a three run homer to right.....He then got up in the 6th and knocked in two more.

The Arizona Diamonds never recovered....and the Dodgers never relinguished first place for the rest of the season.

You want to let this guy get away, Los Angeles???

[Rob L]

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You want to let this guy get away, Los Angeles???

No, just send him 30 miles down the Freeway

[FastLane80]

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I think Manny will do well for a year and MAYBE two. What happened in LA this past year was awesome but I don't think lightning will strike twice. It seemed like he was auditioning for a 2009 contract and what a performance it was. In any other economy, he'd get what he's asking for but in this new day and age of 1 year deals, this may have been his last chance wirth the Dodgers. I'm sorry but I think I'd rather have Dunn and Hudson and maybe dangle DeWitt as trade bait for Peavy...I know it's a long shot but it's along the line of what the Padres were asking for. Pierre is also looking to get traded if he's on the bench so that may also be another pitcher or 2. The rest of the west has stepped up with their rotations and the Dodgers need to look at doing the same by letting Manny go to the unemployment line.

[camarokids]

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Just to compare some stats from the 2004 Post Season....

David Ortiz

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG OBP SLG OPS


BOSALDiv 3 11 4 6 2 0 1 4 0 0 5 2 0 3 0 0 0 .545 .688 1.000 1688

BOSALCh 7 31 6 12 0 1 3 11 0 1 4 7 0 0 0 0 0 .387 .457 .742 1199

BOSALWs 4 13 3 4 1 0 1 4 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 .308 .471 .615 1086

22 hits and 19 total RBI's for the post season

Manny Ramirez

BOSALDiv 3 13 3 5 2 0 1 7 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 2 0 .385 .375 .769 1144

BOSALCh 7 30 3 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 4 1 0 0 0 3 .300 .417 .333 750

BOSALWs 4 17 2 7 0 0 1 4 0 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 .412 .500 .588 1088

21 hits 11 total RBI's for the post season , No RBI's in the ALCS


My point is, it is not all about Manny! Without Big Papi , do the Red Sox win the 2004 World Series? Do the Sox even make it to the WS? It is a team sport......

In the 2007 WS Ortiz batted 5/15 with 4 rbi's , Manny 4/16 with 2 rbi's.
Each had two walks....

Varitek was 5/15 w/ 5 rbi's

So who won the 2007 WS for the SOX? Pitching ??? I think it was a collective team effort...

Not sure how one can say Manny brought two World Series Championships to the Red Sox? Sure he was part of it. But it is a team sport.

Have you looked up Manny salaries?

It's nothing to sneeze at ! Dis-respected .....

Since 2001 ......

137 MILLION !!