Syracuse Basketball Jersey In Mastro?

[mchmaj]

Re: Syracuse Basketball Jersey In Mastro?

scott robinson aka deacs86 bought theese syracuse jerseys (owens and mcnamara) from me that are now listed as game used in mastro. he is the same person associated with the reggie bush saints jerseys in question and the person eric wrote about having to confront to get a refund on chargers jerseys

marcus chmaj

[kingjammy24]

Re: Syracuse Basketball Jersey In Mastro?

eric,

i admire your tenacity in getting lampson to provide the basis for this particular authentication. please keep us informed of any updates.

to date, lampson is the only major authenticator i've seen that actually authenticates entire styles that were never even worn!

dozens, if not hundreds, of collectors have searched high and low for images that would justify several lampson authentications and have come up short. while you're in communication with him, here are two other authentications he's done recently that i'm sure many would love to see the photos for:

1997 Cal Ripken BP - (AMI) - jersey style never worn
1996 Cal Ripken road jersey - (AMI) - jersey style never worn

these two were, literally, styles never ever worn by the orioles. yet lampson gave them a thumbs up. what was his justification?

and of course, how can i forget the "titanic" of the hobby - lampson's infamous ripken st.pats jersey. (i think that one has value based on the notoriety alone). lampson seems to have a special difficulty with ripken jerseys. and why shouldn't he? so little is known about ripken. the man was a mere blip on the radar of baseball and as such was rarely photographed. i can't imagine the difficulty in locating photos of the 1996 and 1997 orioles. good lord it must be like trying to find a photo of sasquatch doing the charleston.

i think it's unfortunate that while men like skilling, ebbers, kozlowski, etc were all caught and are serving prison terms, lampson is able to continue to ply his special brand of garbage simply because he does it in an unregulated, relatively unmonitored industry. (for employers who, despite solid proof of his errors, often simply reply that they "stand by his opinion").

rudy.

[Eric]

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dozens, if not hundreds, of collectors have searched high and low for images that would justify several lampson authentications and have come up short. while you're in communication with him, here are two other authentications he's done recently that i'm sure many would love to see the photos for:

1997 Cal Ripken BP - (AMI) - jersey style never worn
1996 Cal Ripken road jersey - (AMI) - jersey style never worn

these two were, literally, styles never ever worn by the orioles. yet lampson gave them a thumbs up. what was his justification?

rudy.

Rudy-

I think the auction houses who employ mr. lampson have top be responsible for getting answers. I think AMI should be pressed for answers on the pieces above.

It is VERY frustrating that Mastro has not been able to provide the answers on the Syracuse jerseys. That shows that there is an inefficient system to get info on their items. If I were an auction house, I'd be embarrassed by not being able to answer questions from a buyer.

I hope the auction house is as frustrated as I am with this and wouldn't want to put up with it in the future. Maybe I'm unrealistic....
Eric

[kingjammy24]

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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

rudy.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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...good lord it must be like trying to find a photo of sasquatch doing the charleston.

Rudy, How 'bout a photo of sasquatch doing the charleston, while wearing a green Ripken?


Don't forget Lampson incorrectly authenticated a University of Cincinnati Bearcats warm up as a Kansas City Kings warm up of the NBA....sold by AMI. I have no proof that AMI accepted payment from the high bidder. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Eric]

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While I admit I laughed at b-t-h-h's X-File (which may never be solved), I think we should stay on topic.

It is now 12 days since Mastro has been looking into my questions about their syracuse jerseys. These are simple questions which should be able to get answers quickly. Honestly, I don't understand it.
Eric

[Eric]

Re: Syracuse Basketball Jersey In Mastro?

Mastro has posted a modification to the listing in the Billy Owens auction.

Mastro has said that Mr. Lampson does not want his email address given out. Guess that shoots down the story floated by many of the auction hosues who employ him that he does not know how to use the internet.

Here's what Mastro wrote:
The Champion tail label on this Owens jersey slightly precedes Owens' initial enrollment at Syracuse in the fall of '88, suggesting that this may have been a signing day or extremely early representation for the young forward. The front number is smaller than the norm, that is readily apparent; however, the other ornamental features such as trim, NOB, verso number, team name are in fact correct. Champion was a "down the street" vendor/supplier for Syracuse athletics and the company was known for its occasional variances in numeric identifier sizes as exemplified by their Jets and Patriots 1980s offerings, their Celtics late '80s/early '90s offerings as well as those provided to Notre Dame and other collegiate athletic programs. Given the above, it is entirely possible that it was worn by Owens early in his collegiate career although a provenance trail, which does not exist, would have possibly been able to substantiate the aberration in the front number size.

Where was any of this information before? And where is the photo proof that anyone from Syracuse ever wore a number like this?

Mr. Lampson, now that we know you use a computer- maybe you're reading this. How about giving us some answers?
Eric

[hblakewolf]

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Eric-
Based on Lampsons keen research on this particular jersey, is it any wonder that we have green St. Patrick's Ripkens and countless items in every auction he authentcates for being questioned?

As long as the auction houese are willing to accept this type of answer when questioned and collectors are too damn lazy to even try to complete their own homework or possibly spend the needed time to educate themselves, Lamspon and his completely worthless LOA's will continue to be offered to those who need a crutch in order to buy a jersey or other piece of game used equipment.

In this case, Mastro should be ashamed to even respond to you with this type of nonsense.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

ALWAYS BUYING PHILLIES, PORTLAND BEAVERS AND PORTLAND MAVERICKS JERSEYS

[kingjammy24]

Re: Syracuse Basketball Jersey In Mastro?

eric,

congrats on getting a response. you've got more patience than i do. i'm sure there are hundreds of collectors out there would love a response from lampson on his various authentications. similarly, i'm sure many have long wondered what lampson would do when confronted with solid evidence contradicting one of this authentications. i suppose we now have our answer; go with the "anything is possible" explanation.

the statement reads as if it's from someone who just got a thesaurus for christmas. "..occasional variances in numeric identifier sizes". i had to read that 8 times before i realized he was referring to the size of the front numbers.

anyway, based on this reply, i can foresee what his response would be to the green st.pats ripken. "based on the popularity of the color green on st.patrick's day, and the fact that ripken did indeed wear the numeric identifier "8" while playing for the orioles, it is entirely plausible that he may have worn this jersey. a single photo of any oriole wearing a st. pats jersey, which does not exist, would help substantiate this jersey"

rudy.

[Eric]

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Hey everyone

I going thru old paperwork, I found an AMI catalog from 2004. They sold the an Owens jersey with the small numbering- same size with a letter from Lampson.

Is this is same jersey as the one sold by Mastro?
AMI

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=12153

Mastro

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=67796&CurrentRow=21

By the way gang, still no photo from Lampson (and for that matter no thank you from mastro for hounding them to analyze the details on a shirt with unanswered questions. It doesn't matter if it's a $100 item or a $10,000 item- the authenticator is repsonsible for putting his name on merchandise he can prove is real. Ultimately they changed the auction description but I never got an email back suggesting that perhaps I saved them from the embarrassment of an auction house selling someone an item that wasn't as claimed because they could not contact their authenticator for weeks. Perhaps in that non existent email there would have been something conveyed that the work done here is appreciated since everyone makes mistakes and this helps their company in their attempt to sell the merchandise. Then something about how they'll continue to follow up with Mr. Lampson about his research on this jersey and if he continued to give non specific answers they would find that as unacceptable as the people who are shelling out the money. Alas, that email did no exist. Oh well)

Hey Lou, if you're reading this since I know you're on email (despite what some of the other auction houses who employ you say) why don't you email me the photos directly at ecky3@aol.com. I look forward to hearing from you.
Eric