A Word of Caution Re: Hinek Collection Items

[Nathan]

I re-read Bernie's last post....I don't remember telling anyone what was fake and what wasn't. So I guess not "everyone" was telling anyone anything.

Also, posting Rule 7 as a way to attempt to stave off criticism is hardly valid. By nature, blowing the whistle on someone (Lou Lampson, for example) or a group (American Memorabilia) is going to create dispute. If we're supposed to sit around and twiddle our thumbs while playing a nice game of hearts rather than discuss issues of authenticity and related issues, then what's the point?

Oh well, I guess I'm a bottomfeeder on TWO forums now.

[gujerseylover]

Not to knock Bernie again on his way out, but it seems like everyone is knocking him on his Elway jerseys, but no one has mentioned the Colts jerseys (i.e. the Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison) with the discrepancy over sleeve lenghts. Once he was questioned on the long sleeve lengths, they were taken off ebay and jerseys with short sleeves magically appeared.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ghlight=bernie

To #1 Rudy, Nathan, Pat and Both Teams Played Hard, my hats off to you guys for sticking to your guns and not backing off when you discovered the truth about his jerseys.

I don't blame Bernie for not wanting to read this board or post anymore. Personally I wouldn't want to read about my business being exposed either. I am sure that "Sal" will make an appearence in Bernie's absence

[gujerseylover]

This ones for you Warren:

Bernie has a Justin Mccariens game used jersey from the 2nd round Playoff game last year vs Pittsburgh.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JUSTIN-McCAREINS...QQcmdZViewItem


I don't know if this jersey is real, fake, or whatever, to be honest I don't really care. When I saw this, I recalled a post from a big Bernie fan from a while ago. After a quickie search on the forum I found this post (6th down):


http://www.network54.com/Forum/37997...ad/1124766377/


Here is the text in case the link doesn't work.


From Jim (Gridman80)

"I have been collecting NY Jets for 15 years and have been dealing with Bernie for the last 4 years. I have acquired several great jerseys from him, including a Joe Namath, Matt Snell, Curtis Martin, Chad Pennington, Dennis Byrd, Jonathan Carter, and the jersey that Justin McCareins wore in the Steelers playoff game last year (with a letter from Justin). Bernie has developed great relationships with many players, front office personnel and equipment guys around the NFL. I'm still waiting to do a deal for the Santana Moss piece he got directly from Santana...."

What a coincidence that this guy "Jim" bought the same Mccareins jersey in August that Bernie is selling on ebay right now. This leads me to one of 3 conclusions, 1) either Bernie was able to get 2 Mccareins jerseys from that one game, 2) "Jim" Gridman 80 is actually Bernie plugging himself, or 3) He had one Mccareins jersey and duplicated a second one.

[rbalm]

"Jim" "Gridman 80" is not Bernie. I have done business with Jim in the past.

You guys are really taking this to another level. This forum is quite helpful once you get around all the "chest beating posts". I can't believe that someone had the gall to write

Rob,
Now I'm officially baffled. Why are you protecting Bernie? Bernie (as Sal) made threats of physical violence against me. Yes, it is wrong to air my personal vendetta on this forum. It is immature. By the way...I have stopped...thought...and refrained from posting to SEVERAL threads about Mr. Gernay. Please don't give me your personal take on common sense and decency. It sickens me

All Rob was stating was lets get back to the issues of why this forum was established. If people have personal issues with a dealer, non-fraud related, lets keep it personal then.

What also gets me is that you keep blasting Bernie. I am not defending him but come on... if it walks like a duck, quack likes a duck, you know the rest....

Why keeping hashing over the obvious!!

[Eric]

gujerseylover

I have been emailing you for some time and you do not respond. I also sent you a private message from this board and you do not respond. I had a couple of questions for you, can you please email me back at ecky3@aol.com
Thanks
Eric

[gridman80]

note for gujerseylover...I obtained Justin's jersey from the Steelers playoff game last year, from Bernie, as I had posted. Bernie knew that I also wanted Justin's helmet. Bernie also got Justin's 2004 helmet but decided to keep it for himself, as he wanted it to go along with the jersey Justin wore when he scored his frist TD as a Jet . I also told bernie that I wanted pants to match the helmet and jersey ....Bernie told me to wait until the end of the 2005 season when he would get a full uniform. In fact Bernie had this written into his marketing contract with Justin. As a Jets season ticket holder I sat right behind the Jets bench for the last home game of the season against the Bills, checking out the unifom I was hoping to get...One week later Bernie dropped by my house with the entire uniform Justin wore that game, right down to the gloves and armbands...I told Bernie that the only way I could swing his price on the full uniform was to trade back the white playoff jersey. Bernie agreed, and gave me full credit against the complete uniform. In the bygone days of this hobby this kind of cash and trade deal, or even full trades were commonplace. Nowadays it seems that nearly everything runs their stuff thru rapacious auction houses....... and people seem to make judgements in these posts without complete knowledge of the facts.

[EndzoneSports]

As a follow-up to this thread, on March 27th, I received an unsolicited e-mail from the Hinek's (who happened upon this thread via a Google search). In part, the e-mail stated the following:

"I read about [the] "Hinek collection"... We have never sold any memorabilia to anyone. I would be interested in talking to you about this Elway jersey situation. Please email me your number"

In a follow-up phone conversation with the Hineks on 4/2, it was clarified that Bronco does indeed have memorabilia in his possession that was acquired during his tenure as the 49ers equipment manager (1984-'97) as well as older items that were acquired by Broncos' father, Frank, who was the Raiders' equip. mngr. (1960-'62).

It was stated that none of these personal items are available for sale and none ever have been made available for sale to the collecting public--to Bernie Gernay, Lou Lampson, or anyone else--specifically any quantity of John Elway jerseys.

It was also clarified that Broncos' name will indeed appear on any number of legitimate 49ers' LOAs, but only in his official capacity for items that originated from the team.

Whether or not this information is of value must be assessed individually. As with any assertion on the part of one party that is denied by another, one must weigh the credibility of each claim. In this case, is more credence likely to be give to the statements of Bernie Gernay/Lou Lampson or those of Bronco Hinek?

Additionally, as a follow-up to our phone conversation w/ Hinek, a quick search seemed to indicate that such claims are not only related to the Elway jerseys previously noted... See http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...ction_ID=27123


Regards,