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    Senior Member kingjammy24's Avatar
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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    why a "helmet expert"? you're not so much disputing the legitimacy of the facemask as much as simply saying it literally changed overnight.
    all they need is someone with a) the gift the eyesight b) the cognitive ability to tell the difference between 2 bars and 3 bars. they need a "helmet expert" to tell them that one picture has 2 bars and the other picture has 3 bars? what are they..unionized?

    rudy.

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    Here's the official word from Mastro

    1) The helmet is from the Duke Hott collection. It came in over a year ago.

    (Note- this is what was told to me when I was offered the helmet last year and rejected it because the facemask was wrong)

    2) The helmet was photographed prior to authentication taking place

    (Note- yesterday i was told that the information in the item description describing a two bar mask was the same info on the authentication letter)

    3) Lou Lampson looked at the helmet and said the shell was correct for Kellen Winslow but the mask was incorrect.

    (Note- this isn't exactly the case. For the record, when I was offered the helmet the emails, which I still have, say Lou looked at it and it's a good helmet. The only reason he determined that the mask was incorrect is because that was my reason for rejecting the helmet.)

    Specifically Lampson said "a very good Winslow representation.It’s a 1985-86 era. All original with triple color number 80 identifiers on the back of the helmet. Nice wear throughout, gold facemask."

    4) According to Mastro, since it was determined the facemask was wrong, Mr. Lampson "found the correct mask to replace it with"

    (Note- I didn't know you could do that)
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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    That's beyond pathetic.

    Someone needs a Pacman-type suspension.

    I wonder how often Lou has to "find the correct tag to replace it with".

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    "4) According to Mastro, since it was determined the facemask was wrong, Mr. Lampson "found the correct mask to replace it with"



    had you not engaged them, would anyone know the facemask was a replacement? apparently mastro didn't even know at first. the description makes no mention of a restored facemask.

    if lou authenticates a jersey and finds the tagging is wrong, does he replace it with the correct tagging?

    frightening lou, frightening.

    rudy.

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    Eric,

    Does Mastro see anything wrong with Lou's decision to swap out the face mask? How do they plan to proceed?
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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    as it currently stands, all pics show a 2-bar mask. the loa/description mentions a 2-bar mask. (apparently lou realized the mask was wrong and replaced it after he "authenticated" it?) there's no mention whatsoever of a 3-bar mask anywhere. it's likely that the bidders are basing their decisions on the pics and the description; ie: a 2-bar mask. boy is the winner going to be surprised when they get that helmet in the mail and see a 3-bar mask.

    rudy.

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    This is a serious fraud. I am not a lawyer, so if someone is, please chime in, but begally speaking, I don't think anyone could even do anything about it unless they were the one to have purchased it. Any volunteers?

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    New photos are up showing a 3 bar facemask.

    I wrote them back and asked if Mr. Lampson switched the facemask out with the permission of the consignor? Or perhaps is her the consignor?

    I also asked if it was switched with a game used facemask of Winslow's?

    Mastro also said that there will be "a modification note" on the website.

    I just got an email saying Doug Allen has left me a voicemail, so I'll see what that's about.

    This doesn't explain why the authenticator would switch out a facemask on something because it was the wrong facemask and why the auction house had photographed the wrong one.
    Eric
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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    Why the surprise here?

    Mastro's has gone South every since Bill sold the company.

    They started using Lampson to save money and sell very questionable items, and jacked their rape to 20 percent.

    I don't even bother looking at their junk anymore.

    I'll stay with Robert Edwards Auctions, as they are one of the very few left in this business that haven't sold their soul and reputation for the mighty greenback.

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    Re: Mastro Winslow Helmet- Am I Nuts?

    Justin listened to the voicemail.

    Doug Allen says they got the Winslow from the Duke Hott collection. They determined the facemask was incorrect and he and Mastro, based on the fact that the facemask was incorrect for what Winslow wore during this time period, asked Lampson to go find a vintage-style facemask similar to what Winslow would have worn.

    Allen said that request was not documented properly and the wrong photos and description were put on the site.

    He says the proper one will be put on, noting that it's a vintage-style facemask and not the game used original.

    He admits there were miscommunications and was quite apologetic.

    Eric
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