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06-29-2011, 11:15 PM #1
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Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
CampWest,
I wanted to appologize for the suggestion that you used anything deceptive in your sell of the jersey.
I have thought about it a lot and you are right to have been upset with me.
I understand game/issued is the same thing. Game jersey is not game used jersey.
I hope you can forgive my ignorance and my rudeness.
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06-29-2011, 11:46 PM #2
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06-30-2011, 12:51 AM #3
Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
I will give that a big +2! it's not often on this testosterone driven forum that you see someone have the dignity to admit when they were wrong or overeacted. I think that took a lot to admit and I applaud you for it! There is hope after all for this place!! Lol
Todd Ricks
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Always looking for Canseco Game Used Items
Spideyman79@yahoo.com
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06-30-2011, 06:46 AM #4
Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
Thanks Freddie. I appreciate it, very nice of you to follow up. I was never really upset with you, I did go through a couple reactions as I was digesting your message. It did cause me to think very carefully about what I was saying and how I was/would describe items and I see that there is always room to minimize confusion. And that there was more I could do to educate myself on jerseys as I thought my lack of experience may have led to confusion. I always welcome being challenged, its a healthy exercise and helps us grow. Thanks again for the follow up, this forum is a great place to share and monitor the hobby and the more open and honest people like you that are on the board, the better it will be.
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Wes Campbell
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06-30-2011, 10:58 AM #5
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Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
I appreciate the sentiments guys, thank you.
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07-02-2011, 09:59 AM #6
Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
Over on a retail jersey collectors' forum "the sofasurfer" is famous for buying up vintage blank jerseys and having them attributed as classic players and selling them as vintage originals. The only problem is that a lot of the time either he or his customizer don't bother to do their homework and his jerseys end up looking hideous. But does that stop him from pricing them like they were game worn? Not at all.
Case in point:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123
Compare his number fonts to these:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/83...y-Images-Sport
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/83...y-Images-Sport
Those numbers would've been extremely easy to reproduce properly. It's a basic NFL font found on the majority of NFL jerseys. Not to mention the lettering font is also wrong and he didn't even bother with a nameplate.
This guy's clearly a genius.
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07-06-2011, 09:59 PM #7
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Re: Pathological Liar TheSofaSurfer
I wouldn't believe anything this guy says. I used to sell MLB and NFL jersey blanks on eBay years ago, and this guy bought a couple off me and didn't pay the required sales tax. I told him I'd ship the jerseys when I got payment for the tax or a valid resale certificate.
This was around 9/11. I kept getting "the check is in the mail" story (remember life before PayPal?). He told me to back off..he had a relative wounded in the 9/11 attacks and berated me for having the audacity to collect sales tax. When I pointed out to him that while I wished his relative a very speedy recovery, he must not have been too distraught because he spent a lot of time on eBay on 9/11 doing feedbacks, listing items for sale etc. This sent him over the edge, and he threatened to have me audited from his (probably nonexistent) relative at the IRS. I told him to bring it on, because I follow the rules. I don't care for this guy or the way he conducts business.
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07-10-2011, 10:53 PM #8
Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
I was thinking the same thing...
Check out his "1986 Darryl Strawberry jersey"...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Strawberry-New-Y...item4cf6b2c598
First, let me point out that the Mets did not wear this style at all in 1986. Here's a link to a card showing Strawberry in 1986; notice the completely different road jersey --
http://cgi.ebay.com/1986-Fleer-Slugg...item3cb9764da9
When they actually did wear this style jersey (1988-1990)... Notice the fact that there were not front numbers on the jersey --
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/25...y-Images-Sport
Altogether a complete abomination. And for only $265.00.Looking for ...
Any Game Used Mets jerseys from 1986 and 1987
Any Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling, Lee Mazzilli and John Olerud Mets items
Email me at TNT_Toys@yahoo.com
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07-20-2011, 01:29 PM #9
Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
sofasurfer has told me to post this on his behalf.
i would like to defend myself and the KJ suns jersey i sold as game-used, i informed the buyer it was a game-cut and gave him a partial refund of 600. also, on the butler royals jersey, i bought a few jerseys from same person and was confused between the butler and glaus jersey purchased. i got the stories mixed up and inaccurately posted bulter royals wrong but fixed the auction.SOLD TO: beantown, masauction, esamples83
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07-20-2011, 03:29 PM #10
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Re: ebay seller TheSofaSurfer + a Billy Butler issued + fake provenance
I'm glad you got him to get the story straight. I tried, and he wasn't very nice to me.
Ken
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