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10-28-2011, 12:33 PM #211
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Re: 6 charged with fraud
That's where you are so misguided. This isnt a game of which one of us are right, this is about honor and looking yourself in the mirror and integrity.
Forget about the FBI report as the current posts tell me all I need to know about how they operate today. I make less than $82,000 and I dont have $200 to gamble on whether it is game used or game issued. I may have a day that I will have to sell a jersey and need to be 100% comfortable in selling that jersey as described for my own peace of mind.
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10-28-2011, 01:01 PM #212
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Wow guys, both of you - This is a discussion and each of you are allowed to see the situation differently. There is no need for petty insults and background checks.
If you don't like regarding someone's posts you can block them from being read on this forum, but petty insults over one man giving how they see the situation versus how someone else sees it is very childish and immature.
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10-28-2011, 01:10 PM #213
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I thought I would add my two cents here. In the past, I had dealings with an entity that I later found out was perpetrating fraud and had sold many fake and misrepresented items. Did that mean that everything I owned from that source was fake? Absolutely not. However, their credibility was tarnished, and I didn't know what was genuine from what had contrived use. The only way around this is photomatching, and I didn't have photomatches. The end result was taking my business elsewhere.
If people have genuine issues with JO Sports - which I'm sure they do - then the best move would be to stop doing business with them. From what I understand, JO has knowingly perpetrated fraud on at least some occasions. Put your money where your mouth is; find another source for your game used items. There are plenty out there; no one source has a total monopoly on the market. While I understand people might buy with clear and convincing photomatches, in other cases, it sends a powerful message to take one's business elsewhere.
FYI, dealers who engage in fraud don't just do it when they are caught. It's never a one-time thing and about faking one or two jerseys on a couple of occasions. For every time that JO was caught, there are tens of other times where they were able to get away with such crooked business practices. This is only the tip of the iceberg.Les Zukor
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10-28-2011, 01:14 PM #214
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You are right, there are a number of auction houses that have suffered from this very issue. One of them had their owner arrested at the National and hopefully the ones who are guilty of these errors and outright fraudulent activities will continue to fall one by one. There are also in my experience a number of auction houses REA, Huggins and Scott, Hunt to name a few that have readily answered questions on here and pulled questionable material in the past when presented to them.
In this case if all accounts are true, this company was selling items manufactured to represent game use and when items were returned back to them apparently with proof that what they were selling was not as advertised; instead of either changing the description or eating the items they put them back on the market as exactly what they originally had them listed as. They ignored the proof they were presented with. That is called fraud, and it is exactly the very transgression that had Steve Jensen arrested at the National several months ago.
I think LegalEagle summed this up pretty well. Regardless of what evidence has been or will be presented, it is painfully obvious JO is guilty for something or he would not be pleading this out or be in the process of pleading this out right now.
Hopefully those who are still siding with JO will have the FBI or federal prosecutor contact them and maybe they can go view all the evidence at the Federal building and then decide for themselves since they are so concerned about what has and has not been made available in terms of the physical evidence for all to see to this point.
Jeb
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10-28-2011, 01:41 PM #215
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I like paragraphs.
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10-28-2011, 02:04 PM #216
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Lighten up Palehose, I was only trying to bring a little humor into this situation. I have purchased jerseys from JO Sports in the past. Am I concerned? Yes, somewhat. Am I bashing JO because of their prices? No, not really. People will pay what they feel is an appropriate price. I'm just saying if a person pays a ton of money for a jersey, it damn well better be real. In the end, what intrinsic value do these jerseys hold? The answer is - NONE. Other than wearing them to keep warm, they have no value. Try taking one to a grocery store and swapping it for food.
Enjoy the hobby!
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10-28-2011, 02:24 PM #217
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Does this allow me to speak my mind on this subject?
Geez people, this isn't a national tragedy. It could be a scam or it could be a misunderstanding. Whatever the case, whether someone has purchased from JO Sports or not, each of us has the right to express our thoughts - without qualifications.
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10-28-2011, 03:17 PM #218
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Your statement wasn't very thoughtful at all. Most people that have issues with JO Sports, refuse to do business with them because of outrageous prices, highly questionable items, misrepresented items, shill bidding in their auctions etc. The people that are complaining are those that already refuse to do business with them. It's the other uneducated "I'll take your word that it's real, just because you say it is" that keeps their company in business. Everyone will agree that they do indeed have legitimate items and everyone will agree that there are a large number of fake and/or misrepresented items.
I've always said that having just 1 fake item in your collection or for sale by a dealer makes your entire collection/merchandise questionable. Look at companies like Steel Town Memorabilia. They have 10,000+ sales of fake jerseys, pictures, etc and have a 99.99% perfect positive feedback. People want something for nothing and are willing to justify and believe they got the deal of the century on items even if that item is clearly fake.
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10-28-2011, 03:23 PM #219
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I think you missed the KEY word - intrinsic. The jersey is made of cloth and the only value cloth has is to keep you warm. I know game used jerseys have value, but only to someone who collects them. They have no value until you sell them. Right? It's the same with a set of baseball cards, a game used ball, bat, hat, etc. No value until it's sold.
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10-28-2011, 03:23 PM #220
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Palehose for life,
Don't you get it Jarrod didn't make mistakes. He forged game used equipment and LOA's. THATS NOT A MISTAKE THATS A CRIME!!!!!!!