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10-10-2010, 05:26 PM #31
Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Here's a link to another thread from a while back where there was discussion about pine tar (or lack of) in the grip area on Albert's bats:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=35978
Don't know if the information will be useful to you or not, but I remembered the thread so thought I'd pass it along.
Rick
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10-10-2010, 10:28 PM #32
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Re: Red and Blue Ball Mark
Jeff,
you forgot to mention the auto'd m356c M9 bat 34.5" you authenticated for me that you termed "textbook Pujols use characteristics". my bat has the deep seam impressions, blue ink transfer, red bat rack marks, light tar, but has a totally clean handle..... nothing like the bat in question.
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10-11-2010, 06:59 AM #33
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Re: Red and Blue Ball Mark
Taratape,
Sounds like you have a nice bat, must be the one 34.5 version he used to decide he didn't like the model. Your comment indicated deep seam impressions are a pujols characteristic, yet Jeff said he has pitcher bats that have the same. You have blue ink transfer, yet Jeff said all bats have them. Red bat rack marks indicate anybody's bat rack in St Louis. I would actually disagree, if the handle is totally clean, he didn't use it. It should have light pine tar from him grabbing the center label between pitches.
I don't doubt it's a good bat, OK, but there are redundancies throughout this thread. I've only watched one game looking for tendencies and found Pujols picking up dirt and grinding it into the handle between pitches, grabbing the tar on the center label between pitches, and putting the tar on top of the dirt. He probably didn't pick up dirt often but just one game proved he did. Pictures don't lie. It's more common to have a clean handle.
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10-11-2010, 08:38 AM #34
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Re: Red and Blue Ball Mark
yeah, should have said the handle is just like the photos Jeff presented in this thread...totally clean was probably the wrong way to describe it . I think as Jeff and you describe, a clean handle is more common.
Really just wanted to mention there was another m356c that Jeff forgot to mention
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10-11-2010, 05:34 PM #35
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Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Rick, thank you for the link.
Taratape, will you post pictures of your M356? Thank you
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10-11-2010, 05:59 PM #36
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Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Here's another bat:
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10-11-2010, 08:16 PM #37
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Bat Details: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Here are some more examples of the warped left barrel. The seam impressions themselves are incredible, but what's more incredible is that the entire sweet spot of the left barrel is an indentation in itself; it's caved in.
I counted approximately 14-18 different seam impressions on the sweet spot and four blue ink transfers. Therefore, it took little use to hammer the left barrel to the point of retirement. Isn't this the reason Pujols gamers show moderate use, because he destroys the sweet spot with his highly accurate power?
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10-11-2010, 11:01 PM #38
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Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Jeff mentioned, But, once somebody else adds their characteristics to a bat, it covers up the characteristics that may have existed prior.
We know that most Pujols bats that are accepted as 100% authentic have fairly clean handles, and when a player uses a Pujols bat after Pujols, it covers the existing characteristics of the handle. But how does that work with the deep seam impressions and the caved left barrel? How are they covered up?
Why is the handle of a Pujols bat the primary factor in determining if a Pujols bat was used by him or a teammate? This bat was ordered and labeled by Pujols and the left barrel sweet spot was subsequently battered into retirement after a few swings. It's really possible for a non-Pujols player to inflict that sort of damage to the sweet spot of the left barrel, even a pitcher? Then why do people make such a big deal out of the deep seam impressions on their power hitter bats? My co-worker let me examine his Dale Murphy bat (Phillies), and I couldn't find one seam indentation, just a lot of deadwood. My Gwynn bat shows extensive use but much shallower seam impressions. Gwynn, one of my favorite players, did hit the ball hard.
During the one '04 game I watched for Pujols characteristics, which again was the 2004 NLCS game 7, Pujols instinctively grabbed the center of the bat immediately after each pitch (that he didn't hit). It was so rapid that it seemed to be habit, wasn't but a split second after the ball hit the mitt. But when he scooped the dirt up, which was only in two at-bats, it certainly didn't seem like a habit. He seemed to be looking around to find the right spot, sort of wondering around. But when he got it in his hands, he wrenched the handle of the bat with those mighty mitts of his.
I'm really trying to understand this........
Pujols is well on his way to being one of the greatest hitters to play the game. How would a major league player foul off two BP fastballs and leave red stitch marks on one of them, just a BP fastball? I played through college and even at that level, we rarely fouled off BP fastballs.
By the way, I played junior college ball at Jefefrson State before moving on to Birmingham Southern. In JUCO, I played against Jorge Posada when he played at Calhoun Community College. He hit two bombs in that game. At Southern, we were ranked 3 to 6 in NAIA both years, defeating Auburn when they were #1 NCAA D1, and Miss State when they were top 25, Delta State when they were #1 D2, etc. Coach Polk was going for a record setting win that game with Miss State. We advanced to the world series in Sioux City, finishing 3rd. Oil Can Boyd was playing for the Redsticks then and spoke at the opening ceremonies. A few years later, Southern moved to NCAA D1 but a new president was acquired, one who wanted football, so they dropped to NCAA D3. Coach Shoop left and is now at UAB, and Coach Polk is Shoop's assistant. Prior to coaching at Southern, Shoop was Polk's assistant at Miss State when W. Clark, Palmeiro, and Thigpen were there. I had the opportunity to play Independent ball after college but couldn't due to finances at the time, although a medical doctor in my hometown offered to pay my room and board. Man, I love baseball!
I'm really starting to wonder about that broken cup on the right barrel. Anybody, please?
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10-12-2010, 06:55 AM #39
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Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Just noticed a Pujols bat that was used by Tino Martinez in the "......heavily used/tarred bats thread." Pujols #5 was completely blacked out on the knob and Tino's characteristics were identifiable. Awesome thread!
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10-12-2010, 10:04 PM #40
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Re: 2004 Albert Pujols LVS bat M9 Model M356
Hey Clutch,
You have a nice bat there, but you are asking questions that no one can answer for sure. Unless someone saw Pujols or another player use/break this bat, then there is no way to say for sure one way or another. I have several GU bats with deep seam impressions. Most all MLB players have the ability to leave deep seam marks on 90 MPH plus pitches. All anyone can go off of is typical player characteristics. That is not to say that there can't be exceptions at times. Unfortunately without an exact photomatch, there is no 100% evidence of anything.
Jason
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