Wanted For Sale Items To Come Back!!!

[Neely8]

Not for nothing Chris but do you think GUU is the only site dedicated to game worn memorabilia? I have been a long time member of gameworn.net and gamewornjerseys.com and as far as I can remember neither site has ever had any issues with being held responsible for the selling of "bad" items. Both have offered free for sale sections since their inceptions. If there happens to be problems with any items sold that is why paypal has a dispute process and most major credit cards have a chargeback option.

[Sheffield11]

Hello Everyone,

Spending time at the National has confirmed my belief that the collecting community is seeing GUU as a place collectors can come to get quality merchandise without concerns about legitimacy, etc.

While we have been working on getting the platform ready, we have been discussing the issue of allowing any and all items to be posted on the site without our review and the potential implications of doing so. For example, we have recently been accused of allowing someone to be "ripped off" by a GUU forum member when the ‘For Sale’ section was available. The person said the items he purchased were not good and asked us to get his money back. While we mentioned that we never even saw the merchandise and that the transaction was between him and the buyer, he decided to make public posts accusing us of allowing bad items to be sold on the site.

The GUU name in the hobby is gaining enormous credibility and it is not something we are willing to risk by allowing potentially suspect items to be posted on the site over which we would have no control. To be very honest, we are still trying to figure out if there is a way to make things work in way that doesn't jeopardize the GUU brand or its name. I know some will say if someone sells an item to someone else through the site that will be between the buyer and the seller. However, we know empirically that is not true since we have already been publicly accused of allowing someone to be "ripped off" in a transaction for which we had no part.

We know at this point we will definitely be allowing people to list items on the site that GUU has approved and certified. We are also considering all the implications of people listing items on their own but we are not willing to do it if it affects the perception of GUU in general. This is still being discussed I am not 100% sure where it will net out. We are not interested in a scenario where potentially suspect items can be sold through GUU. Absent our involvement to make sure items are properly evaluated, item descriptions are accurate, the right item gets shipped to the winning bidder, etc., I'm not sure how to protect buyers from the problems the face elsewhere.

Bottom line, at this point we will be launching a system soon that will allow for the posting of items that have been evaluated. Beyond that, we are discussing the potential of other options. However, any other option will have to create a system where the buyer is protected in every way from the problems they can encounter other places in the hobby.

Chris,

I understand what you are saying here, but maybe instead of sending the items in to you, sellers could email you pics of the item along with certification and how they obtained it. That way it wont take a great deal of time to list something for sale and yet you are still over looking everything. On the note about making sure people shipped the right items and protecting the hobby that is really an issue for the credit card company or paypal, I feel that as long as your making sure the items listed are authentic then you've done your job. A feedback would also be good to let people know about good and bad encounters. And if anybody does something shady or ships a bad item then they should be banned from seller on the forum until they make good. I hope this would solve any potential problems.

[Hawk]

Neely, I was thinking the same thing. I have been a member of gameworn.net for eight years and all disputes have always been worked out. They have had a for sale section since its inception in 1998.

Just a thought,
Geoffrey

[kellsox]

Hello Everyone,

Spending time at the National has confirmed my belief that the collecting community is seeing GUU as a place collectors can come to get quality merchandise without concerns about legitimacy, etc.

While we have been working on getting the platform ready, we have been discussing the issue of allowing any and all items to be posted on the site without our review and the potential implications of doing so. For example, we have recently been accused of allowing someone to be "ripped off" by a GUU forum member when the ‘For Sale’ section was available. The person said the items he purchased were not good and asked us to get his money back. While we mentioned that we never even saw the merchandise and that the transaction was between him and the buyer, he decided to make public posts accusing us of allowing bad items to be sold on the site.

The GUU name in the hobby is gaining enormous credibility and it is not something we are willing to risk by allowing potentially suspect items to be posted on the site over which we would have no control. To be very honest, we are still trying to figure out if there is a way to make things work in way that doesn't jeopardize the GUU brand or its name. I know some will say if someone sells an item to someone else through the site that will be between the buyer and the seller. However, we know empirically that is not true since we have already been publicly accused of allowing someone to be "ripped off" in a transaction for which we had no part.

We know at this point we will definitely be allowing people to list items on the site that GUU has approved and certified. We are also considering all the implications of people listing items on their own but we are not willing to do it if it affects the perception of GUU in general. This is still being discussed I am not 100% sure where it will net out. We are not interested in a scenario where potentially suspect items can be sold through GUU. Absent our involvement to make sure items are properly evaluated, item descriptions are accurate, the right item gets shipped to the winning bidder, etc., I'm not sure how to protect buyers from the problems the face elsewhere.

Bottom line, at this point we will be launching a system soon that will allow for the posting of items that have been evaluated. Beyond that, we are discussing the potential of other options. However, any other option will have to create a system where the buyer is protected in every way from the problems they can encounter other places in the hobby.

I have been reading the posts regarding the desire for the long delayed For Sale Section and the "banning" of a regular poster and I have a very uneasy feeling of the direction that this site is headed. I found that when the old For Sale section was avail, there was a lot more networking and information sharing on a daily basis- and it also gave collectors another reason to check the site regularly.
As for the incident in which GUU being accused of allowing someone to be "ripped off"- I never really thought it's the site's responsibility to be accountable for a transaction between 2 willing parties. I read over and over how we need to "do your homework" when it comes to determining the authenticity of items. I saw the For Sale section as being no different than a transaction from a dealer's site/classified ad/convention etc...The buyer's protection was the "homework" that was done and Paypal/CC.
The new For Sale section does not sound like it will be cheap- with the amount of checks/balances done by people to have items "properly evaluated, item descriptions are accurate, the right item gets shipped to the winning bidder, etc."
I don't blame members looking elsewhere to discuss the hobby and post items to sell and trade. The suspension/ban of a member's posting rights do to unsolicited emails seemed a bit harsh and in my opinion directing people to another site had to have something to do with the swift dicipline.

[NegleyPirate]

So the site is really turning into a auction house. If we have something to sell, sent it in to get check out. Pay to have it shipped like 3 times. Once to get it approved,returned to you,then mail it out if someone buys it. If we ship items to you will it have a COA or Hologram on it for approval of being authentic?? Seems like alot more work. I don't see how GUU is held for anything sold good or bad. It should be between the parties involved. I don't think Ebay is held accountable if someone sells anything thats not up to the buyers standards. It's for the buyer and sellers to contact each other to work any issue's. Just my thoughts.
Thanks,

[larry bourget]

With all that's going on here lately reminds me of the
Classic "Who's on First" Abbott & Costello routine.

i accept emails,
larry.bourget@sympatico.ca

[JETEFAN]

Seems like GUU is being forced to do something they are apparently reluctant to do at this time, bring back the Game used section. If they are still putting it together the constant questions about it will not speed up the process. There are other options for selling your items as discussed earlier and other new sites starting up which look like they are going to be great! Tim at Hall of Fame bats just started a new site geared at game used bats and it looks like it will be another great tool for game used bat collectors just like this forum. You are welcome to list items for sale on there. http://www.hofbats.com/forum/. Meanwhile lets give GUU the time needed to put together the quality game used section they have prommissed.

George

[jgoldstein2000]

This is pretty ridiculous. Why can't there just be a disclaimer that items sold in the "For Sale" section are in no way affiliated with GUU...

When I buy something in the classifieds section of the New York Times I don't hold them responsible...

[worldchamps]

So one person complains and this action has been taken???? Yet all the members are complaining and nothing is being done??

If it is about money just say it is about money.

I personally fell short on a dealing with one of the most beloved members on here...but i would not ever have blaimed this site.....it is no different from dealing with ebay, or any other venues? You take your chances in dealing with strangers.

The whole advantage of this site is it is FREE.

The really crappy thing is all the bad people, the anti GUU people (shady dealers, shady auction houses, etc) are reading these coments and laughing....in the end they won!!

[Billyu40]

There is only one way to get the "owners" of this site to bring the for sale section back. Boycott the site. If there is no movement on the site from posting or logging on, and no one sends in items for the consignment, then the site becomes irrelivant and the "owners" must make the changes or the site becomes useless. This would take a combined effort from everyone and not just a few.

As a disclaimer, I did like the for sale section but, im not advocating this action nor do I care one way or the other. Im just tired of hearing about it. If money truely drives the people that created this site this will make them think twice and listen when the people talk. If all you do is complain nothing is going to happen.