Larry Walker bat on eBay from ZaneBats

[danesei@yahoo.com]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191601336859

Bat exhibits no characteristics of Larry Walker.
Bat has #15 on knob, which would match with pitcher Denny Neagle in 2002 on the Rockies. Neagle was left-handed, which would also explain the leftie usage.

I messaged Zane about this, and here is what he said in response to question asking why he doesn't mention in the listing that Walker never wore #15:

"Never said that he did It's his bat
It has his name on it it has use for a left
Handed hitter listing states that uniform
Number fifteen is on the knob Not
His uniform number 15 is on the knob
Players share bats Bat started at $9.95 The market will tell
Us what's it worth Money back if not
Satisfied Regards Zanebats"

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Here's the description as of the time that he wrote back:

"You are bidding on a game-used Maple Sam baseball bat from 2002 that measures 34-1/2". Blocked letter model #CAN 1. Bat shows heavy use with pine tar, grip tape and a large crack in the handle. Uniform #15 is on the knob. Walker played for the Colorado Rockies and Montreal Expos among others. Shipping 15.00 to continental U.S. We now accept major credit cards and Paypal! Check my feedback."

Yes, he doesn't say Walker's number was 15, but he also doesn't mention that the bat was never used by Walker, which is a bit deceptive to potential bidders.

[Lumber 1980]

Shady listing at best.

[sportsnbikes]

This guy is so pricey on his stuff anyway.

[yanks12025]

Here's the description as of the time that he wrote back:

"You are bidding on a game-used Maple Sam baseball bat from 2002 that measures 34-1/2". Blocked letter model #CAN 1. Bat shows heavy use with pine tar, grip tape and a large crack in the handle. Uniform #15 is on the knob. Walker played for the Colorado Rockies and Montreal Expos among others. Shipping 15.00 to continental U.S. We now accept major credit cards and Paypal! Check my feedback."

Yes, he doesn't say Walker's number was 15, but he also doesn't mention that the bat was never used by Walker, which is a bit deceptive to potential bidders.


Just curious who you know walker NEVER used the bat?? Isn't there a chance walker used the bat. Then the other player started to use it?????

[godwulf]

Okay, I'm probably going to be in the minority on this, but I have to ask the question - exactly how much research and detailed exposition do you expect somebody selling a bat for ten bucks to have to make? To anyone who has been collecting for more than a couple of days, the number marking on the bat is going to be the first thing you notice, and you are going to bid (or not bid at all) accordingly.

Please don't accuse me now of advocating dishonesty on the part of sellers, because that's not what I'm doing at all; I'm simply suggesting that it's not like Zane is failing to disclose that the bat is marked with a number the guy it was made for never wore - I suspect that we've all seen that happen; he's laying it out there and trusting that if somebody cares about the '15' on the knob they will either not bid on the bat or keep their bid low. Am I the only one who has ever spent a few bucks on a bat for a hard-to-find player, as a sort of a place-keeper till I found a better one?

I see that six bidders have got it up to $62.77, with a few days to go in the auction. Personally, I think it would be very interesting to be able to ASK those six bidders whether they know - or more to the point, care - whether Walker ever wore '15'. I wonder how many would retract their bid, and how many already knew and don't care. You used to be able to contact other bidders, before eBay started disguising screen names - I guess there are many good reasons for that, but in this case I think it would be interesting to be able to do it.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Just curious who you know walker NEVER used the bat?? Isn't there a chance walker used the bat. Then the other player started to use it?????

It's highly unlikely that would be the case, but I suppose, yes, it's possible that Larry Walker used the bat, but that'd be highly unlikely, not to mention there are no Walker attributes to that bat. Beyond that, given the number of bats players are given, I can't imagine Walker giving Neagle a used bat to use.

[ndevlin]

It's highly unlikely that would be the case, but I suppose, yes, it's possible that Larry Walker used the bat, but that'd be highly unlikely, not to mention there are no Walker attributes to that bat. Beyond that, given the number of bats players are given, I can't imagine Walker giving Neagle a used bat to use.

Really? Because I think it's quite possible Walker gave Neagle a used bat. That happens all the time

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Really? Because I think it's quite possible Walker gave Neagle a used bat. That happens all the time

Nate, removing egos from this, do you think that Zane is right in not posting that the bat was likely used by Neagle? Also, Walker was very particular about putting the "3" on his bats, since that was his lucky number.

[ndevlin]

Nate, removing egos from this, do you think that Zane is right in not posting that the bat was likely used by Neagle? Also, Walker was very particular about putting the "3" on his bats, since that was his lucky number.

Probably. But that's not how he does his auctions. Very general descriptions.

[Lumber 1980]

There is another word for omission ;)

[3arod13]

When I read this stuff, I just have to laugh. Shoulda? Coulda? Woulda? Maybe? It's possible? So sick of sellers (referring this to any and all sellers who do it) wording auctions that are general, but imply things that makes collectors believe other things. So sick of it! Stick to the facts! Assumptions are just that!

[ndevlin]

When I read this stuff, I just have to laugh. Shoulda? Coulda? Woulda? Maybe? It's possible? So sick of sellers (referring this to any and all sellers who do it) wording auctions that are general, but imply things that makes collectors believe other things. So sick of it! Stick to the facts! Assumptions are just that!

Right, but what I'm saying is that is always how his auctions are.

I've noticed in the past that if it has the wrong # on the ends, he will just say the # present with a photo. If it matches the player, then he'll say "his #15 on knob"

Anyways, I get it, but everyone needs to do their own hw across the board, no matter who the seller is

[PwKw13]

Just an FYI, this bat was actually used by Juan Rivera according to the MLB website. I sent an email, and they said that the description would be changed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vladimir-Guerrero-Maple-Game-Used-Bat-Angels-Rangers-Expos-MLB-/201373551061?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee2cc89d5

[godwulf]

I've never in my life seen an MLB hologram sticker on a bat's knob - anyplace other than the barrel.

[ndevlin]

I've never in my life seen an MLB hologram sticker on a bat's knob - anyplace other than the barrel.

Because the bat was broken in 2 and they auth'd both pieces.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Just an FYI, this bat was actually used by Juan Rivera according to the MLB website. I sent an email, and they said that the description would be changed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vladimir-Guerrero-Maple-Game-Used-Bat-Angels-Rangers-Expos-MLB-/201373551061?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee2cc89d5

Yes, he changed the description to say it was used by Rivera, but left in the remaining comments about which teams Guerrero played for, which, given the bat was used by Rivera, are, for the most part, irrelevant to the item.

[godwulf]

Because the bat was broken in 2 and they auth'd both pieces.

Well, that's different. I've seen bats broken completely in half that they've just taped together and put one holo sticker on - in fact, I think I've got a couple of them.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Well, that's different. I've seen bats broken completely in half that they've just taped together and put one holo sticker on - in fact, I think I've got a couple of them.

I've seen it done both ways. I think it depends on which person/park collected the broken bat.

[Juicyfruit66]

Larry walker also bats left. So the lefty marks wouldnt come into play.

[LarryWalkerFan]

Larry walker also bats left. So the lefty marks wouldnt come into play.

That was part of my point in the original post. Zane claimed it was Walker's bat due to the left-handed marks. My point was that Denny Neagle was left-handed, as well, and wore the #15. The combination of those two facts meant that the left-handed marks on the barrel weren't definitively from Larry Walker, and, in all likelihood, were merely from Denny Neagle's usage.

And, before this gets rehashed... I doubt Walker would give a used bat to Neagle, and, even if he did, the bat would have some evidence of "3" or "33" being on the bat, since the number three is Larry Walker's lucky number.

[Juicyfruit66]

No doubt, ive ne er seen a walker without 33, he was pretty religious at marking it. I actually own a spike owen expos bat that i bought for peanuts and low and behold....33 on knob....young larry :)

[Swoboda4]

Zane's a good guy, however him starting the listing at $10 is all you need to know (on how comfortable he felt about the bat).