How do i put a value on a rare jersey?

[deerhunter]

It's one of two jerseys out there (the other sold for $9,700) of this particular model that Young wore in '94, this one however comes with a fan's dream story, plus it has a special L.O.A. unlike anything else I've ever seen. Do I use that same 9,700 for a base figure, add maybe 25 percent more to that for the story and then add maybe another 25 percent more for the letter? 17K can't be right. What's a one of a kind jersey go for these days? I am putting it out there after all this time and I don't want to under estimate its value, it has great prominence. I can start at the beginning and share the whole story here as it's a good one.

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The history of Steve and Curt goes back to their teen years when they were door to door mission brothers (Mormons), my trying to now share with words their closeness growing up together would likely not bring their friendship justice I think, let's just say they are life long buds. In 1994 Steve was fighting with the monkey on his back from past seasons (so he elected to once again break out with his secret weapon) and so on 1/15/95 Steve had Curt Hughes in tow. Steve gave Curt nice midfield seats for the infamous NFC Championship Game against Dallas and of course they won (his secret plan worked) the game. There was personal on field drama between the two of them that day but it gets real exciting during the post-game celebration in the locker room. Curt ends up meeting all Steve's teammates that day in the locker room during the post game celebration, as Steve walked him around introducing him to each player one at a time while carrying this ball with him the whole time. Each player signed that ball and when done he walked Curt over to his locker, pulled out a jersey he'd saved from 8/5/94, puts a great autograph on it and gives it to him (and the ball). There's much more to the story obviously but you get the idea, any fan's dream day. And the best part is, it was all a surprise for Curt. If you plug into Youtube: “49ers win NFC Championship vs Cowboys” you may even find the 15 second clip of Steve's “victory lap” when he runs over to the seats he'd given to Curt and expresses his profound joy of that victory. This is the moment just after the big win and just before Steve has Curt escorted to Candlestick's home locker room to receive this jersey and such. The richness of this story and their history is worthy of an author’s attention, I believe in Steve's mind it was a special gift with a personal meaning.

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The reason I ended up with it is because I was involved with successfully helping Curt restructure his new car dealership in '90/'91, which he'd inherited from Bill Hughes his dad the year before, an out of date business model. I really enjoyed working with such an honorable man (they're hard to find in that business) and of course Steve would occasionally come to visit Curt there. In '97 I wanted to special order a diesel 4x4 dually, so naturally I went to Manteca to visit Curt Hughes Dodge, but when I picked up my order this jersey was in the back of the club cab. I saw Curt when I went in for warranty work later and asked him to ask Steve to send me something on it, I got a letter of Authenticity from his foundation in the mail later stating he'd worn it in 1994, since then it's spent most of the last 17 years in a storage unit (I'm married). My recent research indicates that this Letter of Authenticity from the Forever Young Foundation is a very unique piece. Turns out to be rare actually. Steve has a nice embossed logo on his foundation's letterhead, and it states 'This letter certifies that this is an official 75th year NFL game jersey personally worn by Steve Young for the San Francisco 49ers during the year of 1994 when he was named Super Bowl MVP. Executive Assistant Shamberlin Young Forever Young Foundation. Address, phone, website. I also learned recently that there is no other jersey ever worn by Steve that is identical to this one (its patch placement is slightly offset, changed after that first preseason game vs. Arizona), so it really is a one of a kind jersey. Giving an indication of just how popular this particular model is, the one other game worn jersey of this iconic anniversary throwback model he wore in game 2 vs Kansas City in '94 sold last year at goldinauctions for over $9,500.

This jersey has incredible prominence. Maybe more than any other out there. It was given to Steve's best friend on 1/15/95 post game in the 49ers locker room in what very well could be the best 49er's fan dream jersey gift story ever. This unique jersey, story and LOA may really be one of a kind. I feel it's time to have someone show and tell it, so it is coming out of storage and will soon be enjoying its new accommodations. I'd like to do what I can to find it the best new owner and help him know as much of its history as possible so that he can get the excitement to spread this year. I may be able to ask Curt to personally relay the details of this jersey's story, and it's not impossible that he would even do a conference call with Steve for a complete rehash of their history. But that all comes after finding it a home, so who can tell me what is the retail number on a piece like this one?

[Jags Fan Dan]

Consign it to Golden. It will get top dollar.

[Jags Fan Dan]

I know it's "Goldin", but my auto correct does not.

[deerhunter]

Thanks Dan for the reply, i am hoping to have a value set on it from someone who is impartial and who knows more about this stuff than me. Because it was a gift, selling it (especially auctioning it) might be considered improper. I doubt Curt would care but if my mom ever found out, yikes. If i traded it for something i can use, like a cool old sailboat that i can work on, that should be kosher for all. But is it a 5K sailboat or more like 10K i have here, that is what i hope someone knowledgeable can tell me. If it helps to find the right number it's available for inspection in oregon or i have more pics anytime.

[commando]

Here's the link to a recent Goldin Auction that sold a very similar 1994 Steve Young jersey, with ironclad provenance.

http://goldinauctions.com/historic__vindication_bowl__1994_steve_young_game_-lot2869.aspx

[danesei@yahoo.com]

I'm curious about why the letter isn't signed. One would think that an LOA would be easily copied/forged without a signature on it. You'd just need a high resolution copier and a laser printer, I'd think, unless the paper has a watermark.

In any case, I think the provenance coming from the team would carry slightly more value than coming from a player charity. I know that might sound stupid, but it just seems like you'd be slightly up the custodial ladder, since the normal consideration is that an item directly from a team or player is considered first person provenance. I think coming from a player charity might be tier 1a or tier 2.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Anyway, to the value of the item, the way I'd assume the value is the price that the under-bidder offered before the buyer's premium is added. There is some degree of psychology involved here, where a buyer may not have been willing to pay $9500, if that were the price, but would be willing to bid $7500 and accept the $2000 as a cost of business type thing.

Personally, given that it's the second one to hit the market, and not directly from the team, I'd say you're probably in the $5000-$8000 neighborhood, not the $17000 neighborhood that you were guessing.

[deerhunter]

[QUOTE=danesei@yahoo.com;365053]I'm curious about why the letter isn't signed. One would think that an LOA would be easily copied/forged without a signature on it. You'd just need a high resolution copier and a laser printer, I'd think, unless the paper has a watermark.



It has a raised embossed letterhead logo and address, i do not think you can fake it.

Have you ever seen anything like it before?

[deerhunter]

Anyway, to the value of the item, the $5000-$8000 neighborhood. <altered>


Thanks for the strait answer dansei.

Is there any disagreement?

[commando]

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Thanks for the strait answer dansei.

Is there any disagreement?

Because of your post, be ready for people to start sending money and trade offers you way. The jersey is of course worth what someone is willing to pay for it -- and there are indeed collectors out there with deep pockets. There's probably some millionaire Steve Young fan in Utah, who graduated from BYU, that would write you a nice check without thinking twice... But how do you find this guy?

I have learned that proper marketing is the key to selling high-dollar items, especially if you're not in a rush to sell the item by tomorrow. I have no ties to Goldin Auctions, but I would highly recommend them if you're looking to get full market value... Whatever that might be.

[deerhunter]

Here's the link to a recent Goldin Auction that sold a very similar 1994 Steve Young jersey, with ironclad provenance.

http://goldinauctions.com/historic__vindication_bowl__1994_steve_young_game_-lot2869.aspx


Thanks for the link commando, it's similar except the 75yr patch placement is offset slightly on this one. Notice it in the picture i attached earlier? If you don't know about that, i read an article by 9erStorm recently about spotting fakes on ebay. He said "The NFL's 75th anniversary took place during the 1994 season. If you see a 49ers jersey from this year (like the ones that they wore in Super Bowl XXIX, it MUST have this patch. The patch was sewn in one of two spots. Either the top if the patch should be perfectly aligned with the seam near the collarbone that separates the body of the jersey from the top of the jersey. Or it could be placed about half an inch to an inch higher so that the left and right corners of the diamond shape are aligned with this seam. Also, it is a common misconception to see a jersey in the style of the 80's teams with this patch. This may still be an authentic. The 49ers wore their regular jerseys during the beginning of the 1994 season and did not switch to the "shadow" style until later in the season."

[nycpropain]

[QUOTE=danesei@yahoo.com;365053]I'm curious about why the letter isn't signed. One would think that an LOA would be easily copied/forged without a signature on it. You'd just need a high resolution copier and a laser printer, I'd think, unless the paper has a watermark.



It has a raised embossed letterhead logo and address, i do not think you can fake it.

Have you ever seen anything like it before?

A raised embossed letterhead can be obtained many places.

[nickacs]

There is only 1 person that I know of from here (or anywhere) that would enjoy and want that jersey than anyone, Paul, who goes by the username 'solarlottry' on here.

You can email him at garciajones@yahoo.com, as he puts his email in all his sigs here, so I assume he wouldn't mind me posting it.

He is the BIGGEST SF49'er "REAL" game-worn jersey collection of anyone I've ever known. Just search posts by his username above and you'll soon see that this is NOT an understatement.

He knows all the differences between what a Montana/Rice/Young fake vs. real looks like and the characteristics.

If Paul doesn't buy it from you, I agree with others, that putting it in the next Goldin Auctions will yield the biggest payday for that jersey far more than ANY auction house out there.

Good luck and congrats on a great piece!

[deerhunter]

[QUOTE=deerhunter;365057]

A raised embossed letterhead can be obtained many places.

Thank you i did not know that, you are welcome to see it for you have any doubts and are near Lake Oswego Or. Please inform me if also a processed mail stamp from the post office on a (matching raised embossed logo) envelope can be obtained from many places?

[deerhunter]

There is only 1 person that I know of from here (or anywhere) that would enjoy and want that jersey than anyone, Paul, who goes by the username 'solarlottry' on here.

You can email him at garciajones@yahoo.com, as he puts his email in all his sigs here, so I assume he wouldn't mind me posting it.

He is the BIGGEST SF49'er "REAL" game-worn jersey collection of anyone I've ever known. Just search posts by his username above and you'll soon see that this is NOT an understatement.

He knows all the differences between what a Montana/Rice/Young fake vs. real looks like and the characteristics.

If Paul doesn't buy it from you, I agree with others, that putting it in the next Goldin Auctions will yield the biggest payday for that jersey far more than ANY auction house out there.

Good luck and congrats on a great piece!


Thanks for that tip Nicacs, is he a huge collector or a huge fan? I am looking for the huge Steve Young fan, not the huge collector. I need the huge fan who can go through hell (Modesto) and back to be able to tell this forum a great story next week, maybe one that will start a new wave of excitement across the bay that the 49ers need right now. Will he fly into Portland tomorrow, pick me and the jersey up and dirve us 100MPH down the 5 to the Riverbank area where Curt's ranch is? A fan would to hear the story personally from Curt. Would Paul drive to Curt's dealerships in Escalon, Manteca and Modesto looking for him if he wasn't at his ranch? A fan would so he could hear Steve tell the story on Curt's speaker phone. I thank you for the tip Nicacs but i am in need of a fan that wants to take a shot at the once in a lifetime chance at digging up some personal sports nuggets of Steve's past, not some commercial collector that has no passion for the truth of it all. There is something very special here, if you have eyes to see it Nic, ask yourself why, why this jersey? Steve could have given him any jersey (and has), why this one? There is a huge mystery i believe waiting to be reported here for the doubter out there. Does this fan sound like Paul? If so have him call our Skype number and I will give him the address, David 541-412-6726

[MichaelofSF]

The 1994 49ers wore the regular non throwback road whites once during the year to my knowledge, that was the game against the Chiefs. The other possibilities would be 10/9 at Lions or 11/28 at Saints. I thought after the Eagles beat them they didn't wear the regular jerseys anymore. A 49er expert can chime in here. The other possibility would be wearing two jerseys for the Chiefs game or the preseason

9/5 Raiders (home red)
9/11 @Chiefs (white away)
9/18 @Rams (red throwbacks)
9/25 Saints (red throwbacks)
10/2 Eagles (home red)
10/9 @Lions ?
10/16 @Falcons (white throwbacks)
10/23 Bucs (red throwbacks)
10/30 bye
11/6 @Redskins (red throwbacks)
11/13 Cowboys (red throwbacks)
11/20 Rams (red throwbacks)
11/28 @Saints ?
12/4 Falcons (red throwbacks)
12/11 @Chargers (white throwbacks)
12/17 Broncos (red throwbacks)
12/26 @Vikings (white throwbacks)

[deerhunter]

The 1994 49ers wore the regular non throwback road whites once during the year to my knowledge, that was the game against the Chiefs. The other possibilities would be 10/9 at Lions or 11/28 at Saints. I thought after the Eagles beat them they didn't wear the regular jerseys anymore. A 49er expert can chime in here. The other possibility would be wearing two jerseys for the Chiefs game or the preseason

9/5 Raiders (home red)
9/11 @Chiefs (white away)
9/18 @Rams (red throwbacks)
9/25 Saints (red throwbacks)
10/2 Eagles (home red)
10/9 @Lions ?
10/16 @Falcons (white throwbacks)
10/23 Bucs (red throwbacks)
10/30 bye
11/6 @Redskins (red throwbacks)
11/13 Cowboys (red throwbacks)
11/20 Rams (red throwbacks)
11/28 @Saints ?
12/4 Falcons (red throwbacks)
12/11 @Chargers (white throwbacks)
12/17 Broncos (red throwbacks)
12/26 @Vikings (white throwbacks)

First game of preseason 08/05/1994 vs. Arizona

[Juan Gris]

Thanks for that tip Nicacs, is he a huge collector or a huge fan? I am looking for the huge Steve Young fan, not the huge collector. I need the huge fan who can go through hell (Modesto) and back to be able to tell this forum a great story next week, maybe one that will start a new wave of excitement across the bay that the 49ers need right now. Will he fly into Portland tomorrow, pick me and the jersey up and dirve us 100MPH down the 5 to the Riverbank area where Curt's ranch is? A fan would to hear the story personally from Curt. Would Paul drive to Curt's dealerships in Escalon, Manteca and Modesto looking for him if he wasn't at his ranch? A fan would so he could hear Steve tell the story on Curt's speaker phone. I thank you for the tip Nicacs but i am in need of a fan that wants to take a shot at the once in a lifetime chance at digging up some personal sports nuggets of Steve's past, not some commercial collector that has no passion for the truth of it all. There is something very special here, if you have eyes to see it Nic, ask yourself why, why this jersey? Steve could have given him any jersey (and has), why this one? There is a huge mystery i believe waiting to be reported here for the doubter out there. Does this fan sound like Paul? If so have him call our Skype number and I will give him the address, David 541-412-6726

This is perhaps the strangest post I've ever read on GUU. I hope the proof of the pudding is in the eating and we all become privy to some great Steve Young stories. I'm excited to learn more.

[MichaelofSF]

First game of preseason 08/05/1994 vs. Arizona

cool!

[Samets]

Out of curiosity, does the jersey show any use? Piling on the numbers?

There are too many team issued jerseys floating around with great letters...

I've even owned one myself...

[commando]

A preseason jersey would typically be worth less than one used during the regular season. Regarding the amount of use present, this shirt is unlikely to show much wear, as Young probably didn't play the entire game.... Maybe someone can dig up a video of the game, or a box score. I know the Niners lost to the Cards 17 - 7, and I'm wondering how much time rookie QB Elvis Grbac (and any other QB hopefuls) spent on the field that day.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Thanks for that tip Nicacs, is he a huge collector or a huge fan? I am looking for the huge Steve Young fan, not the huge collector. I need the huge fan who can go through hell (Modesto) and back to be able to tell this forum a great story next week, maybe one that will start a new wave of excitement across the bay that the 49ers need right now. Will he fly into Portland tomorrow, pick me and the jersey up and dirve us 100MPH down the 5 to the Riverbank area where Curt's ranch is? A fan would to hear the story personally from Curt. Would Paul drive to Curt's dealerships in Escalon, Manteca and Modesto looking for him if he wasn't at his ranch? A fan would so he could hear Steve tell the story on Curt's speaker phone. I thank you for the tip Nicacs but i am in need of a fan that wants to take a shot at the once in a lifetime chance at digging up some personal sports nuggets of Steve's past, not some commercial collector that has no passion for the truth of it all. There is something very special here, if you have eyes to see it Nic, ask yourself why, why this jersey? Steve could have given him any jersey (and has), why this one? There is a huge mystery i believe waiting to be reported here for the doubter out there. Does this fan sound like Paul? If so have him call our Skype number and I will give him the address, David 541-412-6726

After seeing this post, I change my opinion on the value of the jersey. I'd say $3500. The reason is that game used items should carry provenance of their own merit. If there are photos or videos showing a player in the jersey, that's terrific. If the value of the jersey is driven entirely by who owned it, as opposed to who wore it, the market for the jersey changes significantly. No longer would you have die-hard collectors bidding it out for a "grail" piece of history. Instead, you'd have fans who might be willing to shell out $20k at a charity auction, but wouldn't spend more than $1000 outside of that setting (where they'd get some degree of recognition and connection to the team).

It also doesn't help matters, at all, that it's a pre-season jersey. After all, I doubt collectors (or fans, to use your target audience) are willing to over-pay for a shirt that Young wore while holding a clipboard on the sideline.

[gwh11]

http://http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/gwh11/05c414fe-2b7f-43ab-9bdb-4f6289db0e0e.png The 49ers wore their home red jerseys for the 8/5/94 game vs. the Cardinals. I found an image from the Santa Ana County Register from the next day that illustrates that.
-Guy

[gwh11]

Sorry, here's the pic:

[UTeric3232]

lol, unusual thread to say the least...

[xpress34]

Thanks for that tip Nicacs, is he a huge collector or a huge fan? I am looking for the huge Steve Young fan, not the huge collector. I need the huge fan who can go through hell (Modesto) and back to be able to tell this forum a great story next week, maybe one that will start a new wave of excitement across the bay that the 49ers need right now. Will he fly into Portland tomorrow, pick me and the jersey up and dirve us 100MPH down the 5 to the Riverbank area where Curt's ranch is? A fan would to hear the story personally from Curt. Would Paul drive to Curt's dealerships in Escalon, Manteca and Modesto looking for him if he wasn't at his ranch? A fan would so he could hear Steve tell the story on Curt's speaker phone. I thank you for the tip Nicacs but i am in need of a fan that wants to take a shot at the once in a lifetime chance at digging up some personal sports nuggets of Steve's past, not some commercial collector that has no passion for the truth of it all. There is something very special here, if you have eyes to see it Nic, ask yourself why, why this jersey? Steve could have given him any jersey (and has), why this one? There is a huge mystery i believe waiting to be reported here for the doubter out there. Does this fan sound like Paul? If so have him call our Skype number and I will give him the address, David 541-412-6726

This is a huge red flag to me... another member offers up SolarLottery's contact info (after this guy has asked for info on people who might know more) and then the poster turns around and asks the board to have SL 'Skype' or Call him instead of the poster just reaching out to SL.

Weird to say the least.

[Jags Fan Dan]

I would never drive 100 mph down any road while towing a sailboat.

[urzaworld]

I would never drive 100 mph down any road while towing a sailboat.

LOL!

---Plus it would be a rental car b/c you would have to fly into PDX and pick him and the jersey up. Do rental cars have trailer hitch?

[beachpetrol]

The "G" looks different compared to the Goldin jersey.

[Jags Fan Dan]

LOL!

---Plus it would be a rental car b/c you would have to fly into PDX and pick him and the jersey up. Do rental cars have trailer hitch?

It would have to be a truck or SUV, then maybe. Hertz at PDX has Chevy Tahoes, that would handle it fine. And I would buy the optional insurance that they always offer if I were undertaking that mission. I still don't think it's safe, though.

[deerhunter]

Sorry, here's the pic:


Sorry if i am late, what a great time it was last night, thanks to all who participated. Can i clear this air, i am not looking for some collector to write a check, forget about it until this brown truck pulls up and says "oh yea my Steve Young jersey is here", then throws it in his closet. There may be some work involved in getting all this story strait from the horses mouths that no lazy collector is going to want to do, i am seeking a huge fan of Steve's not a collector. It is not a money thing for me.

After we get Curt to tell the story, then we will find a fair replacement for the jersey by looking at a couple boats i saw on CL in the bay and we can elect for a fair trade hopefully by the experience he had. At least that is what seems like a fair way to do it, but he may want it different though? If you asked my wife she would confirm that I do not drive over the speed limit, i doubt i would not sit for a 100 MPH driver for very long, i was trying to express a concept and maybe the excitement was getting ahold of me a bit over this whole thing last night, forgive me if my exuberence of the moment cause anyone anxiety. I wish only to learn what is a fair value amount on this jersey for my near future reference.

Thank you for finding this article and informing me with a fact that i can now have confidence in. I have been under the assumption over the past two weeks it was worn on the 08/05/94 game with the help of others more knowledgeable than i am on sports memorabilia, but am now back at the beginning of this adventure of when i drug it out of storage. After doing so, a couple weeks back, i typed into Google 'a 1994 game jersey that was worn by Steve Young' and a 49ers forum popped up that i investigated late one night, and with the help of less accurate people than you have proven to be Guy, came up with that date.

I did not like the idea that it was from a preseason game when i found out (thought i found out), hated it actually. I hoped it was an important piece of history, so now i am wondering again, why this jersey? Steve has given Curt lots of this stuff, since way back, but this day was special. Steve knows jerseys i would think, why this one?

Are there any 1994 jersey experts in northern Oregon, who can look at it and the letter, who can call my Skype today? People want a hands-on opinion by now i am sure. I would probably if i was reading this stuff. I see that there are lots of people reading this thread now and because i doubt none has ever seen a LOA like this, we want - we must know, is this the most elaborate scam ever or is this letter and jersey for real? And i hope to know one day why was it this one that he gave him? Any experts have a clue?

[seanbaseball]

Just because you trade the jersey for a boat doesn't make it NOT a money thing. Obviously you want the best boat possible! Whats the difference if you trade it for a boat or sell it and use the cash to buy a boat. No difference! Or perhaps its an IRS issue. Don't want the money showing up in your account and have to report it. By the way IRS considers a trade still income:eek:

[deerhunter]

The "G" looks different compared to the Goldin jersey.


Can you please identify which picture you mean, maybe i can take a new one that will help see better?

[deerhunter]

Just because you trade the jersey for a boat doesn't make it NOT a money thing. Obviously you want the best boat possible! Whats the difference if you trade it for a boat or sell it and use the cash to buy a boat. No difference! Or perhaps its an IRS issue. Don't want the money showing up in your account and have to report it. By the way IRS considers a trade still income:eek:

I have not touched debt notes for a long time sean. After i saw the videos by jonathankleck and learned about the satanic symbols on our money, i gave it up. i sent them back their sscard, birth certificate, ect. After 911 I left the commercial world to found out what's really going on, who i serve and more. If you knew the truth of it all Sean you might too. IRS? I am not in their jurisdiction if i do not use their name or number sean. I can recommend study resources if this information interests you, call me sean.

[seanbaseball]

I have not touched debt notes for a long time sean. After i saw the videos by jonathankleck and learned about the satanic symbols on our money, i gave it up. i sent them back their sscard, birth certificate, ect. After 911 I left the commercial world to found out what's really going on, who i serve and more. If you knew the truth of it all Sean you might too. IRS? I am not in their jurisdiction if i do not use their name or number sean. I can recommend study resources if this information interests you, call me sean.


I prefer to live in the REAL world but thanks anyway!:confused:

[deerhunter]

I prefer to live in the REAL world but thanks anyway!:confused:

Trust me i felt the same way once, but is it the REAL world Neo?

Is it your name on the license you carry? Did you put the patent on it? Try changing it without the State's permission sometime, you'll find out who's name you use.

Just saying one day you may want to ask me something sean. Stay healthy

[seanbaseball]

Trust me i felt the same way once, but is it the REAL world Neo?

Is it your name on the license you carry? Did you put the patent on it? Try changing it without the State's permission sometime, you'll find out who's name you use.

Just saying one day you may want to ask me something sean. Stay healthy

Maybe so. Who knows. Appreciate your thoughts. Enjoy your boat.

[beachpetrol]

Can you please identify which picture you mean, maybe i can take a new one that will help see better?

Goldin jersey is on the left

73592

[seanbaseball]

the O is different too

[beachpetrol]

the O is different too
Yep

[seanbaseball]

the spacing is different too.

[deerhunter]

Goldin jersey is on the left

86955

i think you are correct. Nice eye. You should be an ump.

[deerhunter]

Anything else you see that may be of interest to us please?

[deerhunter]

This tag look right to you?

[deerhunter]

Out of curiosity, does the jersey show any use? Piling on the numbers?

There are too many team issued jerseys floating around with great letters...

I've even owned one myself...


Forgive my ignoring your question Saments.

Thanks for inquiring, i do not see any pilings.

Have you seen a LOA like this before?

If anyone has please comment.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

I have not touched debt notes for a long time sean. After i saw the videos by jonathankleck and learned about the satanic symbols on our money, i gave it up. i sent them back their sscard, birth certificate, ect. After 911 I left the commercial world to found out what's really going on, who i serve and more. If you knew the truth of it all Sean you might too. IRS? I am not in their jurisdiction if i do not use their name or number sean. I can recommend study resources if this information interests you, call me sean.
I'm not sure I understand this... how would someone who doesn't use "debt notes" get onto the internet? How did you open up a bank account, pay your utilities, etc? This really makes no sense to me.

[deerhunter]

I'm not sure I understand this... how would someone who doesn't use "debt notes" get onto the internet? How did you open up a bank account, pay your utilities, etc? This really makes no sense to me.

I am married and my wife humors me about the whole mammon thing, my intention of the comment dansei was only to point out we may not all be slaves to the government here. Obligated to the beast system. Can i suggest you start with a video called: "meet your strawman"? Thanks for asking brother, i am sure everyone wonders the same thing, if anyone cares about this stuff they can call me sometime.

[Jags Fan Dan]

I think he just doesn't physically handle US currency. So a checking account and debit card works.

[seanbaseball]

Is it like a burning man festival thing where no one buys or sells its all barter system?

[deerhunter]

I think he just doesn't physically handle US currency. So a checking account and debit card works.

Hey Jags Fan Dan, you'd think, right. But my calling requires more of me than that actually. A YHWH thing. It's my belief the last name on your license and birth certificate is a corporate fiction (all capitals), that it is owned by someone other than you via a legal title document called the First Original Certificate of Live Birth, you have someone taking care of it all for you called your guardian ad litem so don't you worry, this title has your infant seal on it, plus two other seals making it a common law deed that can be annexed with other instruments (see HJR192 and public law 73-10). You can get a second original today but it is a short form, look at it and notice it's on bonding paper, then look at the seals on i

i could spend an hour here, this forum will kick me down the road soon i fear, i can suggest ROBBBRYDER videos if this stuff is of interest?

[deerhunter]

Is it like a burning man festival thing where no one buys or sells its all barter system?


I'm afraid to answer now,

can i say yes for settlement of it please?

[kshil]

Lol at how ridiculous this thread has become.

[seanbaseball]

what Jersey were we talking about?:p

[deerhunter]

what Jersey were we talking about?:p

A gift that Steve Young gave his long time friend Curt on a special night, in a special way, there is a letter that says he wore it that is unlike any other that I could find evidence of, I suspect there is something special about it and am hoping someone here can spot it by the pics i attached yesterday.

My young beautiful wife want me to take her for a walk, i may not be back to moderate (am i suppose to babysit the thread i start?) so see you tomorrow.

[Jags Fan Dan]

God, young beautiful wives are the best, but you were right to take her for a walk. I have found they will go in the house if you don't.

[urzaworld]

WILL someone please start a game of Russian roulette for this deerhunter????

[Wally_Fischer]

WILL someone please start a game of Russian roulette for this deerhunter????

But he more Fredo and less Denero

[seanbaseball]

I once bought a jersey in the early days that ended up not looking right, does that make it more rare? :confused: Didn't matter though cuz its not about the evil cash I lost.

[danesei@yahoo.com]

Okay, I'm now thoroughly confused. If the jersey was a gift from Steve Young to whomever "Curt" is, why would it be accompanied by a Forever Young Foundation letter? I mean, if I was buddies with a pro-football superstar, and he gave me a signed gamer, the last thing on my mind would be an LOA.

Imagine the conversation:

Steve Young: "Hey Curt, happy birthday!"
Curt ???: "Thanks bud. What'd you get me?"
Steve: "Open it up and see."
Curt unwraps the package: "Holy crap! Is this what I think it is???"
Steve: "Yeah. It's my jersey from the Aug 8 game against KC."
Curt: "Cool man. Thanks."
Steve: "No problem."
Curt: "Hate to ask, but how do I prove it's real?"
Steve: "What do you mean? I wore it, and I gave it to you. Isn't that proof enough?"
Curt: "Well, if I give it to my gf's son, how will he know it's real?"
Steve: "I suppose I could have Shamberlin draw up a letter."
Curt: "Cool. Thanks man."

A few days pass.

Steve: "Hey Curt, here's the letter."
Curt: "Thanks. Wait. It isn't signed."
Steve: "Why does the letter matter so much to you? I gave you the jersey!"

Am I missing something in seeing things unfold that way?

[seanbaseball]

Okay, I'm now thoroughly confused. If the jersey was a gift from Steve Young to whomever "Curt" is, why would it be accompanied by a Forever Young Foundation letter? I mean, if I was buddies with a pro-football superstar, and he gave me a signed gamer, the last thing on my mind would be an LOA.

Imagine the conversation:

Steve Young: "Hey Curt, happy birthday!"
Curt ???: "Thanks bud. What'd you get me?"
Steve: "Open it up and see."
Curt unwraps the package: "Holy crap! Is this what I think it is???"
Steve: "Yeah. It's my jersey from the Aug 8 game against KC."
Curt: "Cool man. Thanks."
Steve: "No problem."
Curt: "Hate to ask, but how do I prove it's real?"
Steve: "What do you mean? I wore it, and I gave it to you. Isn't that proof enough?"
Curt: "Well, if I give it to my gf's son, how will he know it's real?"
Steve: "I suppose I could have Shamberlin draw up a letter."
Curt: "Cool. Thanks man."

A few days pass.

Steve: "Hey Curt, here's the letter."
Curt: "Thanks. Wait. It isn't signed."
Steve: "Why does the letter matter so much to you? I gave you the jersey!"

Am I missing something in seeing things unfold that way?

Lol. Perfect!!!:)

[commando]

Maybe the OP is telling the 100% truth about how he acquired the jersey. With that being said, this is starting to remind me of the infamous Joe Namath "Super Bowl III" helmet from a couple of years ago.

Back in those archaic days before the internet (and for our purposes, the internet wasn't really around in 1994), a team could donate equipment all day and claim it was anything they wanted it to be. After all, who would be any the wiser? Forward to 2014, where hundreds of knowledgeable collectors can now lay eyes on and examine these items. A wealth of photos, news archives and personal experiences are now available to everyone and are collected in common areas (like this forum).

The jersey may be team issued, or perhaps worn in a pre-season game other than the one in Phoenix. I did notice the flag below the Wilson tag looks very crisp and may have never been washed. Regardless, anyone with an interest in this shirt can do a bit of legwork and probably figure this one out.

[net0@thehalf]

Stosh is that you?

[seanbaseball]

I think the boat is sinking:eek:

[net0@thehalf]

Number dropping
Name dropping
City dropping
$$$ dropping
Boat dropping
Hot young wife dropping = dog dropping

Skype me if you want to respond

[MichaelofSF]

Sorry, here's the pic:

The 1994 49ers wore the regular non throwback road whites once during the year to my knowledge, that was the game against the Chiefs. The other possibilities would be 10/9 at Lions or 11/28 at Saints. I thought after the Eagles beat them they didn't wear the regular jerseys anymore. A 49er expert can chime in here. The other possibility would be wearing two jerseys for the Chiefs game or the preseason

9/5 Raiders (home red)
9/11 @Chiefs (white away)
9/18 @Rams (red throwbacks)
9/25 Saints (red throwbacks)
10/2 Eagles (home red)
10/9 @Lions (WHITE THROWBACKS)
10/16 @Falcons (white throwbacks)
10/23 Bucs (red throwbacks)
10/30 bye
11/6 @Redskins (red throwbacks)
11/13 Cowboys (red throwbacks)
11/20 Rams (red throwbacks)
11/28 @Saints (WHITE THROWBACKS)
12/4 Falcons (red throwbacks)
12/11 @Chargers (white throwbacks)
12/17 Broncos (red throwbacks)
12/26 @Vikings (white throwbacks)

For informational purposed:
1994 49ers preaseason schedule:
8/5 @Cardinals (red home (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=86940&stc=1&d=1410361580))
8/12 Broncos (red home (http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/76114969-the-san-francisco-49ers-offensive-line-and-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=R4V%2fQay2ANwpmCZhkZDSEvJz9m0FOgfkjhXh4gA5mFG9o3 KKdoTU1MSyetzG2bAMRMU6Min8IHQap4rnzwE7pw%3d%3d))
8/18 @Chargers (red home (http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/53317871-defensive-end-richard-dent-of-the-san-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QAFYPa4%2blJo1qTxQVPymOr92VF LsnQP83fnnGyfLVGJEfeec6HjouUAbopeP1qSEDg%3d%3d))
8/26 Seahawks (red home (http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/294504-aug-1994-quarterback-rick-mirer-of-the-seattle-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QDinougXpFRWS5dQxzNaH4vlgy0% 2fGFBx2W9jogX2YK1%2fPzU7P1XND2iD0A8f%2ftdHeA%3d%3d ))

10/9 @Lions (white throwbacks - have not seen a picture myself but referencing the internet. perhaps a video exists)
11/28 @Saints (white throwbacks)

I also came across this cool site while researching:
http://uniformdatabases.blogspot.com/

[solarlottry]

This jersey is confusing. First the 75th patch is sewn over the horizontal chest seam whereas 99% of 49er shirts from the 1994 season had the patch sewn below the seam. It is remotely possible that in the preseason the patch was sewn over the seam and then moved for the regular season. This jersey could have been kept by Young and thus was not in the equipment managers possession when he made the changes.

The other issue is the size tagging with the date code on it. The date code corresponds to 1991. I have a number of 49er gamers that were worn in the 1994 season that have date codes from 1991-1993 so it is possible that this jersey represents an older Young shirt that was prepared for the 1994 season by adding the 75th patch.

The other issue I have with the shirt is that the date code is on the same tag as the size. I have over 80 1994 49er game worn jerseys in my collection and not a single one has both the size and date code on the same flag tag. In fact none of the 49er gamers I have from 1990-1995 have the date code and size on the same tag. I did some research regarding this using both 49er and Raiders gamers and came to my own conclusion that shirts with the date code and size on the same tag were retail shirts. This is my own opinion and something that has never been substantiated by either team or by Wilson.

An image from the preseason would be quite helpful in determining what this shirt actually is. The fact that the letter is not signed is somewhat perplexing but not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

If anyone has preseason Images please share them with us!

Paul

[slab0meat]

One of the strangest threads I've ever read on a jersey forum, let alone a general sports forum.

[nycpropain]

A gift that Steve Young gave his long time friend Curt on a special night, in a special way, there is a letter that says he wore it that is unlike any other that I could find evidence of, I suspect there is something special about it and am hoping someone here can spot it by the pics i attached yesterday.

My young beautiful wife want me to take her for a walk, i may not be back to moderate (am i suppose to babysit the thread i start?) so see you tomorrow.

Why would steve young give a (unknown) coa to his friend? Does his friend think its fake? weird story.

[deerhunter]

This jersey is confusing. First the 75th patch is sewn over the horizontal chest seam whereas 99% of 49er shirts from the 1994 season had the patch sewn below the seam. It is remotely possible that in the preseason the patch was sewn over the seam and then moved for the regular season. This jersey could have been kept by Young and thus was not in the equipment managers possession when he made the changes.

The other issue is the size tagging with the date code on it. The date code corresponds to 1991. I have a number of 49er gamers that were worn in the 1994 season that have date codes from 1991-1993 so it is possible that this jersey represents an older Young shirt that was prepared for the 1994 season by adding the 75th patch.

The other issue I have with the shirt is that the date code is on the same tag as the size. I have over 80 1994 49er game worn jerseys in my collection and not a single one has both the size and date code on the same flag tag. In fact none of the 49er gamers I have from 1990-1995 have the date code and size on the same tag. I did some research regarding this using both 49er and Raiders gamers and came to my own conclusion that shirts with the date code and size on the same tag were retail shirts. This is my own opinion and something that has never been substantiated by either team or by Wilson.

An image from the preseason would be quite helpful in determining what this shirt actually is. The fact that the letter is not signed is somewhat perplexing but not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

If anyone has preseason Images please share them with us!

Paul


you can have it Paul, if you can make it to Portland or Salem prior to Sabbath it is yours free. just call me first. chandra says this is all causing me anxiety and stress and i finally got melloed out after ten years of being p.o.ed at the gov. i can tell you were he lives but i'm out!

farewell doubters

[Neely8]

Holy smokes! That is all.

[urzaworld]

you can have it Paul, if you can make it to Portland or Salem prior to Sabbath it is yours free. just call me first. chandra says this is all causing me anxiety and stress and i finally got melloed out after ten years of being p.o.ed at the gov. i can tell you were he lives but i'm out!

farewell doubters

you will be missed!

[seanbaseball]

Nothing to see here folks. Nothing! :eek: Back to my government job.:)

[helf35]

Have I stumbled on the Matrix? Its either that or some stoner in his moms basement looking at conspiracy theory's.

[nickacs]

Mods, this thread should just be DELETED, as it adds ZERO value to this forum and it's members.
Sheesh and here I thought my post was going to contribute earlier, but it only wound this nut job even more. Sorry I ever posted in this thread, what a friggin waste of time and everyone else's. :mad: :rolleyes:

[net0@thehalf]

you can have it Paul, if you can make it to Portland or Salem prior to Sabbath it is yours free. just call me first. chandra says this is all causing me anxiety and stress and i finally got melloed out after ten years of being p.o.ed at the gov. i can tell you were he lives but i'm out!

farewell doubters

Yes! one of my favorite bands too! Finally something we agree on!

[net0@thehalf]

I didn't know Sabbath was touring , are they playing in Portland?

[Juan Gris]

Did anyone skype or talk to deerhunter before he boarded the mothership?

[seanbaseball]

Are you saying Steve young is an alien? :eek:

[seanbaseball]

this is the mothership:)

[seanbaseball]

I think Deer Hunter needs his own Forum:rolleyes:

[commando]

I didn't know Sabbath was touring , are they playing in Portland?

I've got some bad news for Ozzy... That Steve Young shirt he's wearing is totally a fake. The Niners have NEVER worn a font similar to the "8" on the front of his shirt.

[JDubbs73]

Mods, this thread should just be DELETED, as it adds ZERO value to this forum and it's members.

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