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Eric
12-26-2006, 11:34 PM
It's a darn shame....

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JasonM33
12-27-2006, 02:55 AM
Sigh..........

kylehess10
12-27-2006, 03:16 AM
Here's one even more worse. It's from the November 2005 issue of Beckett Baseball showing pieces leftovers of cut-up uniforms

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/kylehess10/ctmpphpzzE657.jpg

CansecoPower33
12-27-2006, 07:06 AM
That's sickening.

34swtns
12-27-2006, 10:30 PM
I say this with utterly no concern as to weather anyone is offended by it or not:

Those "collectable card" company BASTARDS should all be shot for what they are doing to historical items that can never be replaced.
Yep, you heard me.....SHOT.

34swtns
12-28-2006, 01:13 AM
And who actually buys this garbage, anyway?

I'd like to be able to write this off as a million 12-year olds perpetuating this sick market but I'm pretty sure I'd be wrong, wouldn't I?

Sad and infuriating at the same time.

JasonM33
12-28-2006, 02:52 AM
Maybe someday someone will give these people the beating that they so richly deserve. This stuff literally blows my mind. I can't believe that someone would even think of chopping this stuff into little bits. I'm really surprised that you don't hear more outrage about this.

-Jason

stkmtimo
12-28-2006, 11:06 AM
I've always wondered, too, what's to prevent one of the card companies from cutting up a game issued or replica jersey of a star player and put them on the cards? It sure saves a lot of money, doesn't it?

Tim

Eric
12-28-2006, 11:48 AM
I think you bring up a good point. I would love to know what the sources are of these jerseys.

The card companies have buyers who often buy from auction houses. (I'm still angry that I was outbid by a card company on a Kellen Winslow senior Pro Bowl jersey. I haven't seen that one on a card so maybe it hasn't hit the shredder yet)

Anyway, I'm hoping that the card company buyers do their homework so we don't see another situation like Upper Deck where cut autographs which appeared on their cards were deemed to be fakes.

I wonder if one day we're going to see a wrong tag or nameplate font included on one of these jersey cards.
Eric

Eric
12-28-2006, 12:43 PM
Speaking of which, can anyone help with this?

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?p=29066#post29066

otismalibu
12-28-2006, 01:34 PM
My personal opinion is that jersey cards are where many suspect jerseys end up. I just emailed UD about this and they told me they don't have any photographic records of the jerseys they cut up. Handy.

Just trust them. It's all good.

Eric
12-28-2006, 02:11 PM
I think it would be important to know where they buy their jerseys from. If they got them straight from the team that would be one thing, but we know they rely on auction houses as well.

UD depends on trusted sellers when buying autographs. I wonder who donruss leaf's trusted sellers are for football and baseball.

Does anyone know how to find out this information?
Eric

jon_8_us
12-28-2006, 02:56 PM
I belonged to a couple prominent card collecting/trading sites and trust me it's mostly adults not 12 year olds that collect these cards.I'm glad to say that i am a FORMER card collector.Anyone who collects current cards is aiding and abetting these companys to purchase and destroy these pieces of history.I just read an article about a Jim Thorpe and Doak Walker jersey being cut up for cards......absolutely disgusting....:(
jon

JasonM33
12-28-2006, 02:59 PM
I've got an idea! Let's cut the United States Constitution into little tiny pieces and put them into a card. That would make a great collectable. DERP!

Did anyone see the expose a few years ago where they showed a bunch of NFL rookies puting on a bunch of shoes and and jerseys for like 2 seconds each so the card company could cut them up and call them "event worn". What a joke. I don't remember which company it was. I bet half of that stuff is phony.

sylbry
12-28-2006, 04:42 PM
[quote=JasonM33;29082]I've got an idea! Let's cut the United States Constitution into little tiny pieces and put them into a card. That would make a great collectable. DERP! quote]

Funny you should say that. I got into a heated discussion a year ago or so when this topic was brought up on the Vintage Baseball Card Forum. I used the Constitution example too.

The other person's point was basically jersey cards benefit more people because more people will be able to own a piece of history versus one person locking it up in their collection.

JasonM33
12-28-2006, 05:20 PM
With all due respect to that person that's nonsense. You can't convince me that cutting somthing into a hundred little pieces isn't destroying it.

stkmtimo
12-28-2006, 05:21 PM
[quote=JasonM33;29082]I've got an idea! Let's cut the United States Constitution into little tiny pieces and put them into a card. That would make a great collectable. DERP! quote]

Funny you should say that. I got into a heated discussion a year ago or so when this topic was brought up on the Vintage Baseball Card Forum. I used the Constitution example too.

The other person's point was basically jersey cards benefit more people because more people will be able to own a piece of history versus one person locking it up in their collection.

I used to believe that argument, too, but most people want the cards not for their historical value but for their monetary value.

Tim

JasonM33
12-28-2006, 07:09 PM
Exactly!

Eric
12-29-2006, 01:21 AM
I think it would be important to know where they buy their jerseys from. If they got them straight from the team that would be one thing, but we know they rely on auction houses as well.

UD depends on trusted sellers when buying autographs. I wonder who donruss leaf's trusted sellers are for football and baseball.

Does anyone know how to find out this information?
Eric

I heard from a hobby member today with knowledge of the situation with card companies and game used products. Here's how he put it

"Card companies are allowed only to buy baseball jerseys from dealers approved by Major League Baseball.

Of course they can still purchase from players and teams.

Current basketball jerseys are only allowed to be purchased from the teams. Teams are not allowed to profit from this. Teams sell the jerseys to the card companies at the prices that Reebok charges them to replace the jerseys, I believe $150 or so a jersey. NBA does not want to market game used jerseys.

Football, I do not know who they buy from. I assume they buy from any of their regular dealers and auction houses. "

sylbry
12-29-2006, 09:55 AM
I can't remember if I had posted this in the past. There was a short lived thread on the PSA message boards (soon after deleted) about a guy who took the jersey swatch out of a card after the card was accidentally damaged. I believe the card was of Torii Hunter but on the backside of the jersey swatch was a sticker that said Manny Ramirez. Pictures of the card and jersey swatch with sticker were posted. I believe the card was made by Donruss/Playoff.

It could have been a rare mistake, who knows. But it does make you wonder 1) is the jersey authentic and 2) is it really from said player.

Vintagedeputy
12-29-2006, 05:33 PM
Game used cards are a scam, plain and simple.

ryan4fregosi
12-31-2006, 02:06 PM
The other person's point was basically jersey cards benefit more people because more people will be able to own a piece of history versus one person locking it up in their collection.

How very socialist of them.

I still say the logical endgame of this "craze" is the Player Card...literally, deceased ballplayers dismembered and distributed on the hobby's ultimate chase cards.

Get UD on the phone: Trade ya two of Joe Niekro's toes for some cremated Kirby Puckett?

Birdbats
01-04-2007, 12:04 PM
Here's one even more worse. It's from the November 2005 issue of Beckett Baseball showing pieces leftovers of cut-up uniforms

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l178/kylehess10/ctmpphpzzE657.jpg

Here's an interesting tidbit. According to the Cardinals, the jersey style attributed to Dizzy Dean (pictured above) wasn't used until after Dean left the team. Through 1935, the piping on Cardinals jerseys stopped at the bat and didn't extend down through the team name. The piping did extend to the belt line in 1936 and 1937, but it was two-colored (red and blue on home jerseys, red and white on road jerseys). Dean's last year with the Cards was 1937. The team didn't switch to solid red piping until Dean was pitching for the Cubs.

Birdbats
01-04-2007, 12:13 PM
Here's a photo of Dean wearing a 1936-37 home jersey with the red/blue piping. It's in black and white, but you can still tell it's two colors.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/09/01/september.comebacks/dean.jpg

Here's a photo of Dean in a 1936-37 road jersey with the red/white piping.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/media/gallery/photo/dizzy_dean_f.jpg

Birdbats
01-04-2007, 06:03 PM
For reference, here's a shot of Dean taken sometime after 1940 -- you can tell because of the zipper, the solid piping down the front and the piping on the shoulder. The Cardinals, I'm told, hosted reunion games and other events where players would appear on the field in jerseys. My hunch is that the Dean jersey sacrificed by Upper Deck was one of these post-career jerseys.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51250896.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=52135CE3667FECE5D7885FF046C48FC1