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kingjammy24
09-22-2006, 05:44 PM
for those interested; (eric i believe you inquired about these entities a few times):

according to the florida department of state, division of corporations

ASI
----
Authentic Sports Incorporated
3093 46TH AVENUE NORTH
ST. PETERSBURG FL 33714
Registered Agent: Bradley Wells

2006 ASI Annual Report shows "Current Address" as:
115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

2006 ASI Annual Report shows "Current Principal Place of Business" as:
115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

Expert Sports Authentication
----------------------------

Expert Sports Authentication LLC
3093 46TH AVENUE NORTH
ST. PETERSBURG FL 33714
Registered Agent: Bradley Wells

Historic Auctions
----------------

Historic Auctions LLC
115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704
Registered Agent: Bradley Wells

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2005/1024/40858944.tif
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0430/70242167.tif
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0622/748300DB.tif


rudy.

Eric
09-22-2006, 06:06 PM
Then how does this thread make any sense? (specifically Chris Cavalier's post of 12-1)

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=332&highlight=cavalier+historic

Please keep in mind when reading it that timmybaseball05 and searsious- both big fans of asi and historic were posted from the same computer and were posted 9 minutes apart. They have also each only posted once. Geniuses I tell you.

kingjammy24
09-22-2006, 06:27 PM
hi eric,
in the thread you posted, chris cavalier forwarded the following from someone at asi:

"AS FOR HISTORIC AUCTIONS, A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITY. HISTORIC AUCTIONS IS RUN BY JAMES BROWN"

to wit:

please note the article of organization for "Historic Auctions LLC"

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2005/1024/40858944.tif

the street address of the business, mailing address of the business, and
address of the registered agent is:

115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

the registered agent is "bradley wells"

note the 2006 annual report for historic auctions:

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0430/70242167.tif

the current principal place of business, current mailing address is:

115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

additionally, there are 2 managing members; bradley wells and james brown. bradley wells' address is shown as:

115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

the 2006 annual report for "Authentic Sports Incorporated":
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0430/90242559.tif

it shows the current principal place of business, current mailing address, and address of current registered agent:

115 Cordova Blvd NE
St.Petersburg FL 33704

it lists the registered agent as "bradley wells".

the article of organization for "Expert Sports Authentication":
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0721/20791252.tif

it shows the registered agent as "bradley wells".

the conclusions and implications of asi/historic auctions/expert sports authentication are obvious. "bid accordingly"

rudy.

sportscentury
09-22-2006, 08:53 PM
Geniuses I tell you.

Eric,

You like the word geniuses; I prefer the word frauds.


"bid accordingly"

Translation: Bid if you are a complete idiot.

Reid

ChrisCavalier
09-22-2006, 10:50 PM
Then how does this thread make any sense? (specifically Chris Cavalier's post of 12-1)

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=332&highlight=cavalier+historic (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=332&highlight=cavalier+historic)
Hello Eric,

I actually asked the same question directly to James Brown of Historic Auctions on this forum on June 7th, 2006. Specifically, Mr. Brown had made a post on this forum (also on June 7, 2006) claiming that "Brad Wells, at one time, owned a stake in Historic Auctions. However, earlier this year, he sold of his entire interest in the company and does not currently own any stake in the company." I asked Mr. Brown to reconcile that statement with the email Brad Wells sent on November 29, 2005 (which I still have) claiming he had no affiliation with Historic Auctions whatsoever other than being involved with the authentication of the baseball items in the auction.

Here is a link to the post:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=12800&postcount=33

Sadly, Mr. Brown never replied.

Sincerely,
Chris

kingjammy24
09-23-2006, 01:53 AM
a history of asi / historic / bernie gernay / brad wells / james brown / expert sports authentication:

aug 2005 - scott/sandman87 sells a david wright norfolk tides gamer via ebay to "gulfbaytradingcompany" in seminole, florida. james brown, a partner in historic auctions, is in seminole, florida. scott's david wright jersey winds up in the first historic auctions auction.

oct 21, 2005 - brad wells, president of asi, files paperwork to create a LLC under the name "historic auctions". the sole registered agent is brad wells. all addresses of the business are 115 cordova (brad wells' address). historic auctions llc is to be effective as of 10/21/2005.
oct 2005 - historic auctions runs an ad in scd which is attributed to "authentic sports inc" in the advertiser index.

nov 19, 2005 - bernie gernay posts on GUF announcing the launch of historic auctions. most items in their auction seem to come with an asi coa. in addition to authenticating for the auction house he created, brad wells later mentions he has also consigned some items.

nov 29, 2005 - brad wells states, in regards to asi's affiliation with historic auctions, "ASI did participate with the authentication of the game used baseball ... as well as consigned a few items. that is the only affiliation whatsoever". apparently brad forgot to mention that he created historic auctions a month earlier.

dec 2005 - psi/bernie gernay auctions off a john elway jersey and a joe montana jersey on ebay using photos from a john elway jersey and joe montana jersey auction from historic's auction. apparently, when contacted, historic says bernie, for some reason, is using photos of their jerseys to sell his jerseys on ebay.

dec 2005 - bernie gernay, representing global, authenticates football jerseys in historic auctions auction. he also consigns his own football jerseys to historic. he authenticates a john elway jersey that he consigned. neither global nor historic apparently has any issue with bernie authenticating his own consignments.

dec 2005 - bernie chooses to remove a shortsleeved manning jersey from his psi ebay auction because of serious doubts that manning wore short sleeves. in his words, he feels "compelled to remove the listing from eBay".

may 2006 - representing global, bernie "authenticates" a shortsleeved manning for historic auctions. after being notified of the shortsleeve issue, historic removes the jersey. apparently bernie forgot that he removed his own manning from ebay for the exact same reason only months earlier.

may 2006 - bernie/PSI's clinton portis jersey shows up on historic auctions. the auction says the portis jersey was authenticated by bernie gernay.

may 2006 - eric asks james brown for a list of asi items authenticated by brad wells in the current historic auction. james says he's unable to provide the list.

may 2006 - global withdraws from authenticating for historic's may 2006 auction. steve rocchi states it's because they discovered that several items in the auction were consigned by brad wells. brad wells, representing global at the time, was again authenticating items in historic auctions. apparently global is not keen on brad authenticating his own items.

july 2006 - brad wells stops authenticating for global and creates his own firm: "expert sports authentication". their first job? authenticating the upcoming historic auction. bernie gernay stops authenticating for global and joins brad wells' firm to authenticate for historic. perhaps expert sports authentication will look more favorably upon wells and gernay authenticating their own consigments than global did? perhaps historic will have a more successful relationship with expert sports authentication than they did with global?

brad, you're a genius. this beats the debacle that was "a-rod authenticated". you decided to open your own auction house, fill it with your own items, and then use your own authentication firm! great work tiger! what a trio; brad, james, and bernie.

i wonder if historic auctions will ever use anyone other than "expert sports authentication"?

rudy.

suave1477
09-23-2006, 03:30 AM
YOU KNOW I HATE TO BE THE ONE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO - BUT I DID - AND THERE IS 1 OTHER COMPANY YOU LEFT OUT THAT BELONGS WITH THOSE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED

I AM PUTTING THIS IN BIG BOLD TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE NOTICES IT!!!

WHEN I TOLD EVERYONE MONTHS AGO I GOT SLAMMED TEN TIMES OVER THAT I HAD NO CLUE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT

NEXT TIME LISTEN

I TOLD YOU SO !!!

Eric
09-23-2006, 08:07 PM
There's more to the timeline, no?

How about Historic's auction ending without them offering the information that the items will not coming with global certs.

And what about Joel's dinner with James Brown who said he would come on here and clear things up. he never did

sportscentury
09-23-2006, 08:13 PM
There's more to the timeline, no?

How about Historic's auction ending without them offering the information that the items will not coming with global certs.

And what about Joel's dinner with James Brown who said he would come on here and clear things up. he never did

Yeah, Rudy, and where on the timeline does it show that Jason/Suave1477 warned us about this but we were too stupid to listen?? I don't see that anywhere! Come on, Rudy, you're really slipping here.

Reid

Eric
09-23-2006, 09:09 PM
YOU KNOW I HATE TO BE THE ONE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO - BUT I DID - AND THERE IS 1 OTHER COMPANY YOU LEFT OUT THAT BELONGS WITH THOSE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED

I AM PUTTING THIS IN BIG BOLD TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE NOTICES IT!!!

WHEN I TOLD EVERYONE MONTHS AGO I GOT SLAMMED TEN TIMES OVER THAT I HAD NO CLUE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT

NEXT TIME LISTEN

I TOLD YOU SO !!!

Wow. Bizarre.

kyledane
09-23-2006, 09:41 PM
Hi,

I followed the James Brown situation, and I just wanted to give you the following information. Take what you want from it, but remember these if they are listed as GAME USED.

After doing some research it seems as if James Brown' ebay user ID is turtlegrrl18

Recent purchases by turtlegrrl18 are as follows

1) Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Un-Used Game Jersey 270024459529
2) Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees un-used game jersey
3) Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees un-used game jersey
4) Alex Rodriguez 04 New York Yankees un-used game jersey 270024462240
5) CARLOS DELGADO UN GAME USED WORN 2004 BLUE JAY JERSEY
6) MAGGLIO ORDONEZ GAME ISSUED 2006 TIGERS AWAY JERSEY
7) PEYTON MANNING 1999 GAME ISSUED JERSEY 140021125745
8) JOHN ELWAY 1997 GAME ISSUED AUTOGRAPHED JERSEY 140016156631
9) DERRICK THOMAS GAME ISSUED UN WORN JERSEY 320024286594

The email address linked to the account is briennelee@ibjhb.com (briennelee@ibjhb.com) and the address linked to the account are

Brienne Lee Beistle
13130 Wild Acres Rd
Largo, FL 33773

Largo, FL is right next to St. Petersberg, where Historic is based out of. After doing some more research, one can go to Godaddy.com and see what name a website is registered under.

ibjhb.com is the domain that the briennelee email address originates from.

ibjhb.com is registered to...

=-=-=-=

Registration Service Provided By: Registerfly.com
Contact: support@registerfly.com
Visit: http://www.registerfly.com

Domain name: IBJHB.COM

Registrant Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

Administrative Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

Technical Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

sportscentury
09-23-2006, 09:44 PM
Wow. Bizarre.

Ummm, yeah, I'd say so.

sportscentury
09-23-2006, 09:48 PM
Hi,

I followed the James Brown situation, and I just wanted to give you the following information. Take what you want from it, but do not be surprised when we see these jerseys automatically become GAME USED.

After doing some research it seems as if James Brown' ebay user ID is turtlegrrl18

Recent purchases by turtlegrrl18 are as follows

1) Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Un-Used Game Jersey 270024459529
2) Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees un-used game jersey
3) Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees un-used game jersey
4) Alex Rodriguez 04 New York Yankees un-used game jersey 270024462240
5) CARLOS DELGADO UN GAME USED WORN 2004 BLUE JAY JERSEY
6) MAGGLIO ORDONEZ GAME ISSUED 2006 TIGERS AWAY JERSEY
7) PEYTON MANNING 1999 GAME ISSUED JERSEY 140021125745
8) JOHN ELWAY 1997 GAME ISSUED AUTOGRAPHED JERSEY 140016156631
9) DERRICK THOMAS GAME ISSUED UN WORN JERSEY 320024286594

The email address linked to the account is briennelee@ibjhb.com (briennelee@ibjhb.com) and the address linked to the account are

Brienne Lee Beistle
13130 Wild Acres Rd
Largo, FL 33773

Largo, FL is right next to St. Petersberg, where Historic is based out of. After doing some more research, one can go to Godaddy.com and see what name a website is registered under.

ibjhb.com is the domain that the briennelee email address originates from.

ibjhb.com is registered to...

=-=-=-=

Registration Service Provided By: Registerfly.com
Contact: support@registerfly.com
Visit: http://www.registerfly.com

Domain name: IBJHB.COM

Registrant Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

Administrative Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

Technical Contact:
James Brown
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
+1.7273922940
Fax: none
6677 Augusta Blvd
Seminole, FL 33777
US

Kyle,

All I can say is... WELCOME TO GAME USED FORUM! Outstanding post - simply fascinating. Definitely glad to have you aboard.

Reid

Eric
09-23-2006, 10:22 PM
[QUOTE=kyledane;21787]

After doing some research it seems as if James Brown' ebay user ID is turtlegrrl18

How do you know this? What's the proof?
Eric

PAT HODGINS
09-24-2006, 01:22 AM
The registrant for turtlegirl's website is:
James Brown (Webmaster@webstroke.com)
Webstroke.com and Historic Auctions share the same ip address. Check it out:
http://www.robtex.com/dns/webstroke.com.html

Pat Hodgins

PAT HODGINS
09-24-2006, 01:51 AM
Oh look:
Turtlegirl, Historic and Authentic Sports Inc all share the same ip address:
http://www.robtex.com/dns/ibjhb.com.html

Pat Hodgins

Frank
09-24-2006, 10:08 AM
Oh look:
Turtlegirl, Historic and Authentic Sports Inc all share the same ip address:
http://www.robtex.com/dns/ibjhb.com.html

Pat Hodgins

While somewhat coincidental, that could just mean they are using the same hosting company.... No biggy there.

Eric
09-24-2006, 10:22 AM
For those like myself who are not computer geniuses, can someone explain what this means?

lookup ibjhb.com

hosts sharing ip
authenticsportsinc.com
historicauctions.com
u15181575.onlinehome-server.com
webstroke.com
www.webstroke.com >>>

PAT HODGINS
09-24-2006, 12:38 PM
Eric,
I'll try to makle it easier to understand by showing the ip address info:http://www.robtex.com/ip/82.165.235.192.html
There are 4 aliases associated with this ip:
1.Historic Auctions
2.Authentic Sports Inc
3.ibjhb.com (http://www.robtex.com/dns/ibjhb.com.html)
4.webstroke.com (http://www.robtex.com/dns/webstroke.com.html)
Onlinehome-server.com is the web hosting company itself.

Until a few hours ago, the WHOIS registration info for sites 3 and 4 listed James Brown of Seminole FL as the owner of each. However, this info has now been hidden. Someone is trying to hide their tracks.

What this means is that the person who is renting the space on this server has subdivided the space to host the 4 sites listed above.


Howard and Joel, you are listed in turtlegrrl18's feedback. Can you confirm the email listed above??

sportscentury
09-24-2006, 12:46 PM
Until a few hours ago, the WHOIS registration info for sites 3 and 4 listed James Brown of Seminole FL as the owner of each. However, this info has now been hidden. Someone is trying to hide their tracks.

Ahhh... looks like someone has been reading GUF.

Reid

trsent
09-24-2006, 02:38 PM
Howard and Joel, you are listed in turtlegrrl18's feedback. Can you confirm the email listed above??

I am sorry, I cannot publish records of my customer's transactions.

Are you doubting the original post mentioning this user is making up facts, names and email addresses? I cannot confirm anything, but they seem to have a lot of information.

sportscentury
09-24-2006, 03:02 PM
I am sorry, I cannot publish records of my customer's transactions.

Are you doubting the original post mentioning this user is making up facts, names and email addresses? I cannot confirm anything, but they seem to have a lot of information.

Joel,

I understand your policy about transaction privacy - I'm not questioning that.

But I am confused by the second thing that you wrote. Are you talking about forum posters Pat and Kyle? Or are you talking about James Brown, Brad Wells, etc.? If you are questioning Pat and Kyle, I would strongly beg to differ. Clearly, these guys have done their homework and have provided GUF with very important information.

You know that I'm not trying to start an argument (and I believe that we may be on the same page) - I'm just asking for some clarification.

Thanks,
Reid

trsent
09-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Joel,

I understand your policy about transaction privacy - I'm not questioning that.

But I am confused by the second thing that you wrote. Are you talking about forum posters Pat and Kyle? Or are you talking about James Brown, Brad Wells, etc.? If you are questioning Pat and Kyle, I would strongly beg to differ. Clearly, these guys have done their homework and have provided GUF with very important information.

You know that I'm not trying to start an argument (and I believe that we may be on the same page) - I'm just asking for some clarification.

Thanks,
Reid

Reid, my comment was to Pat who wants confirmation of the first post of this new information who wants me or Howard to provide on a public forum the email address for an eBay customer of ours. I was making the point that the original post (I assume by Kyle) was pretty thorough and I wanted to know why he doubted the information that he would need confirmation from Howard or myself as I assume they got their facts straight if they presented that post and it was not removed from the forum.

PAT HODGINS
09-24-2006, 03:35 PM
Joel,
Thanks but I no longer need your confirmation about the email.
Let the facts speak for themselves.

Gulf to bay Trading Co
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2003/0703/30302163.tif
Agent: George H Brown

Yahoo search George H brown(seminole FL):
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=george&LastName=brown&City=seminole+&State=FL&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search
Tel: (727) 319-3434

Historic Auctions fax number(727) 319-3434
http://www.historicauctions.com/contact/

Florida Young Rep website. Pat attention to Pres and Vice Pres:
http://www.yrnf.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=StateClubs.LocalClub&state=FL&club=St.%20Petersburg%20Young%20Republicans#

Draw your own conclusions.

Pat

sportscentury
09-24-2006, 03:47 PM
Joel,
Thanks but I no longer need your confirmation about the email.
Let the facts speak for themselves.

Gulf to bay Trading Co
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2003/0703/30302163.tif
Agent: George H Brown

Yahoo search George H brown(seminole FL):
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=george&LastName=brown&City=seminole+&State=FL&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search
Tel: (727) 319-3434

Historic Auctions fax number(727) 319-3434
http://www.historicauctions.com/contact/

Florida Young Rep website. Pat attention to Pres and Vice Pres:
http://www.yrnf.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=StateClubs.LocalClub&state=FL&club=St.%20Petersburg%20Young%20Republicans#

Draw your own conclusions.

Pat

The FBI should draw their own conclusions.

stkmtimo
09-24-2006, 04:34 PM
Young Republicans? How old is "Mr" Brown?

Tim

sylbry
09-24-2006, 06:33 PM
Be on the lookout for these items in the next historic auction. Sure is odd how this person went on a major spending spree in the past month.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=turtlegrrl18&completed=1&all=0&rows=200&sort=3

allstarsplus
09-24-2006, 06:49 PM
Joel,
Thanks but I no longer need your confirmation about the email.
Let the facts speak for themselves.

Gulf to bay Trading Co
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2003/0703/30302163.tif
Agent: George H Brown

Yahoo search George H brown(seminole FL):
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=george&LastName=brown&City=seminole+&State=FL&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search
Tel: (727) 319-3434

Historic Auctions fax number(727) 319-3434
http://www.historicauctions.com/contact/

Florida Young Rep website. Pat attention to Pres and Vice Pres:
http://www.yrnf.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=StateClubs.LocalClub&state=FL&club=St.%20Petersburg%20Young%20Republicans#

Draw your own conclusions.

Pat

I am confursed. Is it George Brown or James Brown?

kingjammy24
09-24-2006, 07:33 PM
here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

joel, i'm curious when you went to dinner with the upstanding james brown, did james seem to have an odd, unrelenting fascination with your yankee procuts?

rudy.

kingjammy24
09-24-2006, 07:44 PM
allstarsplus:

unsure about the connection between "george h. brown" and "james h. brown" but for the purpose of gulf to bay trading, it seems you may as well consider them one in the same:

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0430/10243291.tif

rudy.

sportscentury
09-24-2006, 07:54 PM
allstarsplus:

unsure about the connection between "george h. brown" and "james h. brown" but for the purpose of gulf to bay trading, it seems you may as well consider them one in the same:

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2006/0430/10243291.tif

rudy.

Wow. Nice work.

Reid

trsent
09-24-2006, 08:25 PM
Rudy, my dinner with James Brown I discussed his issues with the hobby at that time. I tried to advise him how to approach Game Used Universe's Forum, and he made me promises and never kept them.

I have not had a game issued Yankee jersey for sale in about 9-12 months. Anything else you wish to ask about my personal business?

larryk
09-24-2006, 10:54 PM
As a new member to the forum, I wonder, do you people have nothing better to do with your time? Seriously. You guys need to get a life. As long as you are receiving real and great product, who cares who owns the freaking company. I have done business with almost every auction house in the business, and I have dealt with Historic Auctions as well. I wish I had all this time in my life to research what email people do things from, their middle names, etc. This is getting ridiculous. Hope you people can find something better to talk about than this stuff one day, like if things are real and fake, isnt this what this forum is for anyways???

Larry

trsent
09-24-2006, 11:07 PM
As a new member to the forum, I wonder, do you people have nothing better to do with your time? Seriously. You guys need to get a life. As long as you are receiving real and great product, who cares who owns the freaking company. I have done business with almost every auction house in the business, and I have dealt with Historic Auctions as well. I wish I had all this time in my life to research what email people do things from, their middle names, etc. This is getting ridiculous. Hope you people can find something better to talk about than this stuff one day, like if things are real and fake, isnt this what this forum is for anyways???

Larry

Whoops, this post is not going to receive a positive reception.

sportscentury
09-24-2006, 11:09 PM
Sal? Rocco? How did the old chant go?

both-teams-played-hard
09-25-2006, 01:31 AM
As a new member to the forum...

Famous last words. TimmyBaseball? Are you there?

Eric
09-25-2006, 08:30 AM
As a new member to the forum, I wonder, do you people have nothing better to do with your time? Seriously. You guys need to get a life. As long as you are receiving real and great product, who cares who owns the freaking company. I have done business with almost every auction house in the business, and I have dealt with Historic Auctions as well. I wish I had all this time in my life to research what email people do things from, their middle names, etc. This is getting ridiculous. Hope you people can find something better to talk about than this stuff one day, like if things are real and fake, isnt this what this forum is for anyways???

Larry

Larry-

First, welcome to the forum. I fell odd welcoming you when your first post is basically for everyone to get a life, but I'll take the high road.

Second, your initial post makes no sense.

If your interest is truly to know if items are real and fake, then you should see the value in the above information.

All of the information is valuable in helping the consumer make an informed decision on whether to buy or not to buy from Historic Auctions.

Unfortunately since Mr. Brown and his company have not been good about sharing information about conflicts of interest, people around here have had to do it on their own.

Feel free to enjoy the site. Not sure your approach to meeting fellow forum members is one I would have chosen, but you can make your own decisions.

As an aside in my tenure as moderator I have seen the same pattern time and time again. Every time someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar, a "new forum member" comes on here and tells everyone to get a life. You're going to have to do better than that.
Good luck,
Eric
moderator

sportscentury
09-25-2006, 10:02 AM
Eric,

Great post. As you alluded, this is so very transparent. But, given who talking about, it's not at all surprising.

Reid

sylbry
09-25-2006, 10:11 AM
As a new member to the forum, I wonder, do you people have nothing better to do with your time? Seriously. You guys need to get a life. As long as you are receiving real and great product, who cares who owns the freaking company. I have done business with almost every auction house in the business, and I have dealt with Historic Auctions as well. I wish I had all this time in my life to research what email people do things from, their middle names, etc. This is getting ridiculous. Hope you people can find something better to talk about than this stuff one day, like if things are real and fake, isnt this what this forum is for anyways???

Larry


I have never dealt with the parties involved in this discussion in any way, shape, or form. Probobly never will. I do find this fascinating from an ethics standpoint. In my line of work if I had the ethics and conflicts of interest that appear to be going on here I would already be in prison.

allstarsplus
09-25-2006, 11:08 AM
here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

joel, i'm curious when you went to dinner with the upstanding james brown, did james seem to have an odd, unrelenting fascination with your yankee procuts?

rudy.I was curious to see the Yankees Clemens 2003 from that list above as we have one direct from Steiner, but the pictures have been removed from the eBay listing. The seller was MASAUCTION. How in the world can they get so many perfectly tagged "unused" jerseys? These jerseys are selling for big dollars too at $795 for that Clemens.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827832707&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D8827832707%26fvi %3D1

allstarsplus
09-25-2006, 11:13 AM
Rudy - Here is an ARod from MASAUCTION. The pictures were still attached.

What do you think of this tagging:

http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/b6/b4/08_1.JPG

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270024462240&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D270024462240%2B% 26fvi%3D1

Eric
09-25-2006, 11:13 AM
aug 2005 - scott/sandman87 sells a david wright norfolk tides gamer via ebay to "gulfbaytradingcompany" in seminole, florida. james brown, a partner in historic auctions, is in seminole, florida. scott's david wright jersey winds up in the first historic auctions auction.

Do you mean gulftobaytrading on ebay? An account which is no longer a registered user
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=gulftobaytrading&item=8806136116&iid=8806136116&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MESO:UID

Look up Gulf To Bay Trading Company and you'll find once again a connection to Young Republican Management Systen

https://www.yrms.org/index.cfm?&fuseaction=public.terms

There is also a website with no content on it at

http://www.gulftobaytrading.com/

Angry comment telling me to "get a life" to follow
Eric

trsent
09-25-2006, 11:16 AM
I was curious to see the Yankees Clemens 2003 from that list above as we have one direct from Steiner, but the pictures have been removed from the eBay listing. The seller was MASAUCTION. How in the world can they get so many perfectly tagged "unused" jerseys? These jerseys are selling for big dollars too at $795 for that Clemens.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827832707&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D8827832707%26fvi %3D1

The pictures are removed by eBay after 60 days or so for all auctions. This seller was offering an "un-used game jersey" and they also referred to it is a "pro-cut jersey". I understand concern with who the buyer of the jersey was, but what is wrong with this jersey that you question the seller?

Eric
09-25-2006, 11:26 AM
I was curious to see the Yankees Clemens 2003 from that list above as we have one direct from Steiner, but the pictures have been removed from the eBay listing. The seller was MASAUCTION. How in the world can they get so many perfectly tagged "unused" jerseys? These jerseys are selling for big dollars too at $795 for that Clemens.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827832707&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D8827832707%26fvi %3D1

Let's stick to the subject.
We're going down the wrong road questioning someone who sells game cuts.
There's nothing wrong with buying or selling game cuts as long as they stay game cuts.
Please don't get carried away here folks.
Eric

allstarsplus
09-25-2006, 05:09 PM
Let's stick to the subject.
We're going down the wrong road questioning someone who sells game cuts.
There's nothing wrong with buying or selling game cuts as long as they stay game cuts.
Please don't get carried away here folks.
Eric

There is nothing wrong with selling game issued or pro-cut especially when labeled game issued or pro-cut. We personally have been selling Michael Jordan pro-cuts.

Game issued are generally fine when they actually are "game issued". The Yankees jerseys sold by MASAUCTION look fine to me, but I am skeptical due to the whole Steiner Yankee control of the jerseys.

My question is simply how this seller gets an ARod and Clemens and other Yankees "game issued" outside of Steiner. I am very happy they are not pawned off as game used.

I have spoken to my Steiner rep specifically about these and he said "no comment".

sportscentury
09-25-2006, 05:18 PM
My question is simply how this seller gets an ARod and Clemens and other Yankees "game issued" outside of Steiner. I am very happy they are not pawned off as game used.

****INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT REMOVED*******


I have spoken to my Steiner rep specifically about these and he said "no comment".

Well, that's certainly not very helpful. Do you think he has no clue or is this a top secret operation?

Reid

trsent
09-25-2006, 05:19 PM
There is nothing wrong with selling game issued or pro-cut especially when labeled game issued or pro-cut. We personally have been selling Michael Jordan pro-cuts.

Game issued are generally fine when they actually are "game issued". The Yankees jerseys sold by MASAUCTION look fine to me, but I am skeptical due to the whole Steiner Yankee control of the jerseys.

My question is simply how this seller gets an ARod and Clemens and other Yankees "game issued" outside of Steiner. I am very happy they are not pawned off as game used.

I have spoken to my Steiner rep specifically about these and he said "no comment".

Where is the Clemens jersey mentioned as being "game issued" as you asked in quotes? I just looked at the auction and since you used quotes, please explain what you were quoting as it was never used in those terms.

Even if it was, what "game issued" means to you and what it means to others is a different story. "Game issued" can mean game ready, but who decided that a "game issued" jersey had to hang in the locker room? It has been debated on these forums time and time again. There is no concrete terminology on this forum or in eBay's rules about what these terms really mean.

"Pro-cut" and "Un-used game" are similar terms, but if you are bidding on this item, wouldn't you ask questions of the seller in advance of if this item was ever in the team's possession before bidding? Then again, don't you think a seller would tell you if the item came right from the team to attract a higher ending price?

Did you email the seller and ask your questions before posting your questions on the forum?

sportscentury
09-25-2006, 05:36 PM
Where is the Clemens jersey mentioned as being "game issued" as you asked in quotes? I just looked at the auction and since you used quotes, please explain what you were quoting as it was never used in those terms.

Even if it was, what "game issued" means to you and what it means to others is a different story. "Game issued" can mean game ready, but who decided that a "game issued" jersey had to hang in the locker room? It has been debated on these forums time and time again. There is no concrete terminology on this forum or in eBay's rules about what these terms really mean.

"Pro-cut" and "Un-used game" are similar terms, but if you are bidding on this item, wouldn't you ask questions of the seller in advance of if this item was ever in the team's possession before bidding? Then again, don't you think a seller would tell you if the item came right from the team to attract a higher ending price?

Did you email the seller and ask your questions before posting your questions on the forum?

Joel,

I think you're getting your forum rules mixed up. Andrew never said the jersey was bad. In fact, he stated that the jerseys were "perfectly tagged 'unused' jerseys." He is curious as to how and where someone can get Yankees superstar jerseys outside of Steiner. Are you suggesting that he really should have contacted Mitch to ask him this? First of all, that would be silly. Second of all, that may be construed as an inappropriate usage of the eBay messaging system (as it could be interpreted as solicitation for outside business).

Lastly, Andrew put "un-used" in quotes with reference to Mitch's jerseys (which you did, yourself - see your post at 4:16pm today) and not "game issued" as you stated he did. He used "game issued" in quotes in a later post in the context of a general discussion about game issued jerseys being sold as game issued as opposed to game worn.

Not that I'm trying to end this discussion, but Eric asked us to stick to the focus of the thread. We should all agree to follow this suggestion.

Reid

trsent
09-25-2006, 06:02 PM
Reid, read the last post by AllStarPlus - They used quoted in the term "game issued".

I think if he is going to question the seller's items, they should email their concerns to the seller first, per forum policy. Then they can report the seller's reply if they have an issue with it.

Ok, what has been done with the new information on Historic Auctions - James Brown?

allstarsplus
09-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Reid, read the last post by AllStarPlus - They used quoted in the term "game issued"
I think if he is going to question the seller's items, they should email their concerns to the seller first, per forum policy. Then they can report the seller's reply if they have an issue with it.

Ok, what has been done with the new information on Historic Auctions - James Brown?

Joel - I know you can't speak for the seller. I don't know the seller and feel no reason to email him since I am not accusing him of anything. Un-used just means that it hasn't been used by definition. It then can be further classified as un-used game issued, un-used pro-cut, un-used authentic or un-used replica. Look at the ARod tagging. Is that a un-used game issued? Is there a reason it was called un-used and not game issued with that type of tagging? Is it a pro-cut or an authentic or a replica???

Most Yankee jerseys on Rudy's list were listed as un-used with the exception of a Matsui was game issued by ProSportsInvestments http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220002309089&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D220002309089%2B% 26fvi%3D1.

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531


I have no issue with the jerseys. I was amazed with the number of Yankees jerseys that Turtle purchased.

trsent
09-25-2006, 07:12 PM
I have no issue with the jerseys. I was amazed with the number of Yankees jerseys that Turtle purchased.

Yes, I can see your concern with that being the issue here.

suave1477
09-25-2006, 07:31 PM
I can say this about MASAUCTION as I dealt with him on a few occasions. He was a stand up guy with me. I am familiar where he got some of his items from. I do not know where he got the Roger Clemens from but I do know he won quite a few lots during the GREY FLANNEL/STEINER AUCTION back in febuary and was break up the lots and selling them piece by piece.

stkmtimo
09-25-2006, 07:39 PM
I can say this about MASAUCTION as I dealt with him on a few occasions. He was a stand up guy with me. I am familiar where he got some of his items from. I do not know where he got the Roger Clemens from but I do know he won quite a few lots during the GREY FLANNEL/STEINER AUCTION back in febuary and was break up the lots and selling them piece by piece.

If he did in fact purchase them from the Grey Flannel/Steiner auction, why didn't he indicate they originated from Steiner? Why didn't the Steiner rep, whom Andrew talked to, explain that the jerseys were from the auction instead of offering up "no comment"? Seems a little strange to me. Not questioning the authenticity of the jerseys, just wondering.

Tim

Eric
09-25-2006, 07:40 PM
Everyone-

This thread has nothing to do with masauction or yankees pro cuts or steiner. If you would like to have the discussion about pro cuts and the hobby, might I suggest you open an new thread and stick to facts. Please stay away from "could be's" or "might happen's."

There are some very serious hobby issues contained in this thread- people have some some great work here, and we should keep focus.

Thank you
Eric

ldavis2261
09-26-2006, 05:44 PM
Hey guys for all the game issued fans. Here's something store issued. Another Historic piece of crap.

The auction description read "This game used bat shows nice use including ball and lace marks on the bat barrel"

Good Luck Everyone!

stkmtimo
09-26-2006, 06:17 PM
I love how Wells "authenticated" it when there's a line under 125 on the bat and shows no signs of use whatsoever. Yikes.

Tim

BaseballGM
09-27-2006, 08:45 AM
This thread should be saved as an educational tool for those just beginning to collect as well as long term collectors. Maybe it's a good thing that MLB and other leagues are taking more interest in game used items to sell for their own auctions since the memorabilia market (like any other marketplace) will always be full of those willing to try to make a quick buck and take advantage of others.

hblakewolf
09-27-2006, 09:39 AM
Tim-
Better yet, how about Brad's title-HEAD Authenticator.:eek:

Classic!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.met



I love how Wells "authenticated" it when there's a line under 125 on the bat and shows no signs of use whatsoever. Yikes.

Tim

silverschmidts
09-27-2006, 12:24 PM
In reading this long but fascinating thread, I noticed some references to MASAuction. Wasn't there an auction company by that name owned by a guy named Mitch (last name escapes me--might have been Schumacher) and wasn't he convicted at one point of selling fake items? This might have been part of the big FBI sting that was widely reported in Sports Collectors Digest for a couple of years (or it might have been a separate investigation, I don't remember). Does anybody know if this Ebay seller using the name MASAuction is the same guy who cheated collectors?
--Steve

Eric
09-27-2006, 12:49 PM
I would recommend that if you want to discuss this topic, that it be posted in a different thread AND it be very important to stick with facts.

I can tell you that Mr Schumaker has always been a helpful resource for me and has helped me work towards improving the hobby. He has nothing to do with this thread or what transpired with historic auctions.

Eric

Eric
09-29-2006, 11:38 AM
If what people have discovered is true, then is this statement from Historic Auctions factually correct? Is it truly a third party?

Historic Auctions was founded in 2005 with a great desire to bring sports fans the products they love directly from the field. It is the start of something very special and was created to offer the best products, while providing the easiest bidding process found. By offering you, the collector, hundreds of game-used items obtained directly from the players, we have tried to take the guesswork out of collecting. Since every item in our auction has been authenticated by a third party, you never need wonder if your latest purchase was authentic. Only offering 100% authentic items is of our utmost priority.

http://www.historicauctions.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=Help.main&id=94

gameboy
10-02-2006, 06:38 PM
Sorry Not To Put All This In One Post. I Have Nothing Against This Auction House. I Have Bought From Them And Had So-so Experience. But, With All The People Ripping The Up I Cantbelieve Thatnot One Person Mentioned Thederek Lee Jersey From 2005 In The Auction. 1. The Jersey Has A Year Tag In The Bottom Tail, Everyone Knows That Cubs Have Strip Tagging In The Collar. 2. The Best Thing, In 2005 The Cubs Home Jerseys Did "not" Have Names In The Lee Jersey From "2005" It Has The Lee Name On Back. How Did Notone Person Notice This?????

camarokids
10-05-2006, 10:29 PM
Eric, I need to post a retraction of my comment of the bats from pga-shooter-101 coming from the same address as ASI . I would appreciate it if you can delete it . I have to apologize to any and all . I have seen the address on Cordova before , I bought one bat off ASI when I first started collecting again in 2005 , maybe from the ebay statement or my paypal statement or it was an hallucination ?? I have no problem admitting I was mistaken on the address :o. I was wrong in not waiting to post before being 100% sure . Anyway I found out I was wrong today I was searching in my attic and found one of the tubes that came from Joseph Harry and the address is in the same neighborhood as Cordova Blvd NE (even ends with Blvd NE) , but is different . I looked before a few weeks ago and did not find the tube . I save the round cardboard shipping tubes (w/the plastic end caps) that I receive with bats I buy . I have close to 10 of them saved up there . I guess I owe one more apology to all and should say something nice about ASI , the bat I did buy is very nice :), and as advertised. I have shown it my friend Ryan and he says its good !! I believe Ryan is a GUU member and has a big collection of bats .

kingjammy24
12-12-2006, 02:54 PM
friends, romans, countrymen..

in the past week i've received 2 emails. 1 from historic auctions and 1 from asi.

if there was any lingering doubt regarding asi/brad wells' current substantial involvement with historic auctions (beyond simply "authenticating"), i present you with the following info:

the historic auctions email:

Originating IP: 82.165.235.192
Received from: 82.165.235.192 (EHLO gulftobaytrading.com)

the brad wells/asi email:

Originating IP: 82.165.235.192
Received from: 82.165.235.192 (EHLO gulftobaytrading.com)

asi/brad's email ended off with "god bless". it was nice to get a little piece of bernie in the whole mix as well.

rudy.

bscott
12-15-2006, 12:20 PM
[QUOTE=kingjammy24;21867]here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To whom it may concern:

I am a long time collector and very new to game used universe. I have enjoyed reading about ASI and Historic Auctions. It's great to see everyone pool their resources and information together to keep the business side of collecting as honest as possible. That said, and I'm sure I'm not the first to write in about this (this is my first posting), but all the discussion about Historic Auctions led me to check out what game used jerseys were available for sale in their current auction.

On 9-25-06, "kingjammy24" wrote up this list of UN-USED or GAME ISSUED JERSEYS purchased on ebay by turtlegrrl18, who forum member "kyledane" has linked that ebay user id to James Brown.

Also on 9-25-06, forum member "sylbry" posted a comment to "be on the lookout for these (unused/game issued jerseys purchased by turtlegrrl18) in the next historic auction."

Well, Historic Auctions just ended an auction today, 12-15-06, and some of the items sold as "Game Used" bear a striking resemblence to the "un-used" or "game issued" jerseys purchased just a few months ago.

it appears as though some of these (NINE, to be exact) unused or game issued jerseys have literally "gone thru the wash" and ended up a few months later as "Game Used" Jerseys in this most recent Historic Auctions, most have been exclusively authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells." After seeing the example of Brad Wells' certificate of authenticity for Chuck Knoblauch "game used bat", I think this individual's credibility is highly suspect.

That said, the following is a list of jerseys that were just sold (the auction ended today 12-15-06) as GAME USED by Historic Auctions:

1. 2003 Roger Clemens Home Jersey $3100.00
2. 2006 Albert Pujols Away Jersey $2342.56
3. 2004 Alex Rodriguez Home Jersey $3300.00
4. 2004 Hideki Matsui Home Jersey $878.46
5. 2006 Mike Piazza Away Jersey $1210.00
6. 2006 Jim Edmonds Away Jersey $450.00
7. 2006 Magglio Ordonez Away Jersey $314.60
8. 2006 Nomar Garciaparra Away Jersey $700.00
9. 2006 Scott Rolen Home Jersey $550.00

The total cost of these nine jerseys is: $12,845.62.

SIX of the nine jerseys are ONLY authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells", including the Pujols Jersey which sold for over $2300.00.

The descriptions of the jerseys on the Historic Auctions website include lines like:

"the bottom left tag is extremely soft and wrinkled due to extensive washing." (A-rod jersey)
"the wash tag, year tag, size and extra length tags show heavy wear from extensive washing." (Matsui jersey)
"the inside left of the jersey bears the Majestic 0062 logo, which is wrinkled heavily due to extensive washing." (Pujols Jersey)


Now, let me be very clear: I am not making any accusations, and there is, of course, the distinct possibility of coincidence.

But, based on what has been described previously in this forum, I would like to see this discussion continue, as I believe that the claims made here do merit at least further consideration.

Thank You.

bscott
12-15-2006, 03:07 PM
[QUOTE=bscott;28093][QUOTE=kingjammy24;21867]here's a full list of turtlegrrl18's ebay purchases:

GAME ISSUED 2001 C. Woodson Raiders Home Jersey. Item number: 130028393776

GAME ISSUED Andy Pettite 2006 Astros Jersey. Item number: 110026416026

GAME ISSUED Albert Pujols 2006 Cardinals Jersey. Item number: 110026412226

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110026398287

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Home Jersey. Item number: 110026369369

GAME ISSUED Lynn Swann Steelers Jersey. Item number: 170027396042

UN-USED Manny Ramirez 2004 Boston Red Sox Game Jersey. Item number: 270014735308

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees game jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 270024462240

UN-USED Alex Rodriguez 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832447

UN-USED Roger Clemens 2003 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827832707

GAME ISSUED Hideki Matsui New York Yankees Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 220002309089

UN-USED Hideki Matsui 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827841704

UN-USED Derek Jeter 2004 New York Yankees Game Jersey (no Steiner cert). Item number: 8827842531

GAME ISSUED Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Jersey. Item number: 110017678642

GAME ISSUED Scott Rolen 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017669836

GAME ISSUED Nomar Garciaparra 2006 Dodgers Away Jersey. Item number: 110017673004

GAME ISSUED Jim Edmonds 2006 Cardinals Away Jersey. Item number: 110017621476

GAME ISSUED Magglio Ordonez 2006 Tigers Away Jersey. Item number: 110016432754

UN-USED Carlos Delgado 2004 Blue Jays Jersey. Item number: 110000863796

goodness, she seems fond of game issued, superstar jerseys. apparently the lack of steiner certs on her yankee "game issues" don't bother her.

incidentally, i'm curious why none of historic's matsui, jeter, and arod jerseys (of which they usually seem to have many) never have any steiner certs.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To whom it may concern:

I am a long time collector and very new to game used universe. I have enjoyed reading about ASI and Historic Auctions. It's great to see everyone pool their resources and information together to keep the business side of collecting as honest as possible. That said, and I'm sure I'm not the first to write in about this (this is my first posting), but all the discussion about Historic Auctions led me to check out what game used jerseys were available for sale in their current auction.

On 9-25-06, "kingjammy24" wrote up this list of UN-USED or GAME ISSUED JERSEYS purchased on ebay by turtlegrrl18, who forum member "kyledane" has linked that ebay user id to James Brown.

Also on 9-25-06, forum member "sylbry" posted a prophetic comment to "be on the lookout for these items in the next historic auction."



Well, Historic Auctions just ended an auction today, 12-15-06, and some of the items sold as "Game Used" bear a striking resemblence to the "un-used" or "game issued" jerseys purchased just a few months ago.

It appears as though some of these (nine, to be exact) unused or game issued jerseys may have literally "gone thru the wash" and ended up a few months later as "Game Used" Jerseys in the most recent auction at Historic Auctions. Further, most have been exclusively authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells." After seeing the example of Brad Wells' certificate of authenticity for Chuck Knoblauch "game used bat", I think this individual's credibility is highly suspect. The certification of that bat is a joke and an insult to honest dealers and collectors.

That said, the following is a list of jerseys that were just sold (the auction ended today 12-15-06) as GAME USED by Historic Auctions:

1. 2003 Roger Clemens Home Jersey $3100.00
2. 2006 Albert Pujols Away Jersey $2342.56
3. 2004 Alex Rodriguez Home Jersey $3300.00
4. 2004 Hideki Matsui Home Jersey $878.46
5. 2006 Mike Piazza Away Jersey $1210.00
6. 2006 Jim Edmonds Away Jersey $450.00
7. 2006 Magglio Ordonez Away Jersey $314.60
8. 2006 Nomar Garciaparra Away Jersey $700.00
9. 2006 Scott Rolen Home Jersey $550.00

The total cost of these nine jerseys is: $12,845.62.


SIX of the nine jerseys are ONLY authenticated by "Expert Sports Authentication/Brad Wells", including the Pujols Jersey which sold for over $2300.00.

The descriptions of the jerseys on the Historic Auctions website include lines like:

"the bottom left tag is extremely soft and wrinkled due to extensive washing." (A-rod jersey)
"the wash tag, year tag, size and extra length tags show heavy wear from extensive washing." (Matsui jersey)
"the inside left of the jersey bears the Majestic 0062 logo, which is wrinkled heavily due to extensive washing." (Pujols Jersey)


Now, let me be very clear: I am not making any accusations, and there is, of course, the distinct possibility that this is all coincidental.

But, based on what has been described previously in this forum, I would like to see this discussion continue, as I believe that the claims made here do, at the very least, merit further consideration.

If anyone has any new information regarding Historic Auctions and the authenticity of their game used jerseys, please share it.


Thank You and Happy Holidays to All!

bscott
12-15-2006, 07:55 PM
I know I'm rehashing a bit, but this is too much fun!

to add to the posting which i listed earlier today:

After cross-referencing the purchases made by the Ebay user ID "turtlegrrl18" with items that sold today in an auction from "historic auctions," you can see three jerseys that may have been purchased as "game issued" in september 2006 and that may have been sold as game used (authenticated by Brad Wells) today!

The list is:

1. Scott Rolen Cardinals Home Jersey. Purchased by turtlegrrl18 on August 18th, 2006 on Ebay (item #110026369369). Item purchased as "GAME ISSUED." A Rolen Jersey sold December 15th, 2006, at www.historicauctions.com, as "GAME USED," accompanied by a letter of authenticity from BRAD WELLS.

Ironically, the jersey was purchased on ebay for $700 was "game issued", and the one sold at historic auctions for $550 was "game used".


2. Mike Piazza 2006 Padres Away Jersey. Purchased as a "GAME ISSUED" Jersey on August 27, 2006 by ebay user, "turtlegrrl". It is ebay item #110026398287. A 2006 Piazza Away Jersey sold December 15, 2006 as "GAME USED" in an auction at Historic Auctions.

This Piazza jersey was purchased on ebay for $700. The one at historic auctions sold for $1210.


3. Albert Pujols Cardinals 2006 Away Jersey. This Jersey was purchased as a "GAME ISSUED" Jersey on August 27th, 2006 on ebay for $1500 by "turtlegrrl". A 2006 Pujols Away Jersey sold on December 15, 2006 as a "GAME USED" Jersey at Historic Auctions for $2342.56.

This Pujols Jersey was purchased as game issued for $1500. The one sold as game used went for $2342.56.

Overall, the three "game ISSUED jerseys" were purchased for $2900.
The three "game USED jerseys" sold for $4102.56.

A difference of $1202.56.

Not a lot of money when one considers how much, oh, shall we say, just hypothetically, an attorney charges a client who is brought up on federal charges of fraud and/or larceny by way of deception.

Just saying that lawyers fees are exorbitant, that's all.



So, game used universe, what do you think of the correlation between what was purchased just a few months ago and what was sold today?

chakes89
09-14-2012, 02:34 PM
Looks like the forum had all of this information 3 years before the FBI did.

Kudos to those that did the leg work

Capital-Sports
05-14-2014, 02:04 AM
Where's kingjammy24 been?