Josh Hamilton Holy Grail

[frikativ54]

Your chance to own a Josh Hamilton 2010 World Series game used hat. It shows a ton of use and is signed by the man himself. I would die for Bagwell's WS hat.

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169110281&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169456991.

-Frik

[lakeerie92]

They listed a game used glove too, although not attributed from the World Series.

$650 is too much for a hat though.

[frikativ54]

Here's the link to the glove:

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169105101&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169451811.

They had one up for auction a couple of years ago.

[joelsabi]

Here's the link to the glove:

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169105101&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169451811.

They had one up for auction a couple of years ago.

does that say "hambone" in the embroidery

[frikativ54]

does that say "hambone" in the embroidery

Looks like it to me. :)

[frikativ54]

Here's a search link to all the Hamilton items:

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/Search?merchant_rn=33072944&GO_SEARCH=YES&status=O&textsearch=hamilton&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0.

[AM]

Starting price is too high on the glove
Prices on gloves have been too high in general

Hamilton glove shouldn't sell for more than $600-750 tops - and that's only because of his current popularity - once that wanes, prices should drop, but who knows...

[frikativ54]

Starting price is too high on the glove
Prices on gloves have been too high in general

Hamilton glove shouldn't sell for more than $600-750 tops - and that's only because of his current popularity - once that wanes, prices should drop, but who knows...

Where do you get your figures? A couple of years ago, when a MLB authenticated Hamilton glove sold on MLB.com Auctions, it garnered in the ballpark of $2,000. And that was during a down year for Josh. Based on prices of other stars, I would say that a Hamilton glove is worth $2,500 to $3,500 at minimum.

[Masimen]

Starting price is too high on the glove
Prices on gloves have been too high in general

Hamilton glove shouldn't sell for more than $600-750 tops - and that's only because of his current popularity - once that wanes, prices should drop, but who knows...

I have to respectfully disagree here. Hamilton bats generally seem to fetch between 500-700. How many bats does he go through in a given season? 75-100 maybe. How many gloves does he likely use in a season? 1 or 2 most likely. Even if he goes through 5 gloves which seems highly unlikely they are still in far far shorter supply than a bat that can command 500-700, therefore being far more valuable than a bat. If the glove goes for 2k it is steal compared to the price of the bat. Gloves are generally undervalued.

[lakeerie92]

I have to respectfully disagree here. Hamilton bats generally seem to fetch between 500-700. How many bats does he go through in a given season? 75-100 maybe. How many gloves does he likely use in a season? 1 or 2 most likely. Even if he goes through 5 gloves which seems highly unlikely they are still in far far shorter supply than a bat that can command 500-700, therefore being far more valuable than a bat. If the glove goes for 2k it is steal compared to the price of the bat. Gloves are generally undervalued.

Those estimates might be low too. The last two bats on MLB auctions just sold for $1100 and $1400 so the prices may be going up. The only thing is both of those bats were bought by NEWYORK25, but they have to have other bidders to get up that high.

[AM]

Good points, but I am not talking about what the current market bears. That is always going to be skewed by the current player's popularity or team he plays for (e.g., Nick Swisher - seriously?). Just because someone pays $$ for something, doesn't necessarily mean that paying that same price or something viewed as reasonable for another item that it was a good price. Why SHOULD a Hamilton bat or glove sell for $1000, $2000+? Because it can... that can't be a reason.

Hamilton is a terrific player, don't get me wrong. However, what happens is then people pay these prices now and then later when they're selling them, assuming Hamilton's value as a player hasn't changed, or potentially goes down, they try to recoup their investment and they can't because it's "Hamilton who?" and they get offers for less than half of what they paid. Why does an Eric Davis glove currently on eBay have a $2500 asking price?

But if you're a Hamilton fan and you really want something, then all the best to you and collect as freely as you wish. These are just my thoughts and not worth much to begin with.

[xpress34]

Getting ANY Player GU glove for under $1,000.00 is a steal period.

Not because of popularity, etc - although that is obviously a major contributing factor.

Have any of you actually PRICED real Pro Model gloves? Hell, a 'good' softball glove at a major sports retailer will cost between $250-$300.

Some of the better PRO gloves start at near $1,500 and can go as high as $3,500 and up for Kangaroo Leather Pro Player Preferred, etc.

Rawlings, Mizuno, Wilson, etc know that players will pay good money for a glove - which is an INVESTMENT in their job.

I don't know where the 4-5 gloves a season number came from, but most MLB players use the SAME glove for years at a time. Some examples:

Troy Tulowitzki - Same glove he has used since 2007 per statements to the press from Troy.

Walt Weiss - the 'monster'. He was still using the same glove when he came to the Rockies that he used when he won the ROY in the AL for the Oakland A's! He just had it restrung every year or so

Jason Giambi - from all reports, he is still using the same glove he has used for years.

YES, players get new gloves each year from their respsective glove companies, but many of those will never see a playing field and will end up being given away as gifts.

Gloves - far and away - the single TOUGHEST GU item to obtain from most players.


Now, as far as hats... and I am a Hat Collector - is $650 to much? Maybe. But, next to gloves, one of the single MOST used pieces of equipment.

Like Gloves, many players wear the same Home and Road caps all year (except for special games - July 4th, etc) making them more scarce than Jerseys, Bats, Pants, etc.

I have a few hats that I have close to $400 into, so would I stretch that for a chance to own a Josh Hamilton VERIFIED GU WS Hat? Quite Possibly and I am now watching them both because of this thread...

Just my .02

- Smitty

[xpress34]

Addendum -

For those who don't know, I did use to work for Rawlings and the Player Sales Rep for the Rockies brought by the PRO PLAYER PREFERRED Catalog one day for us to look at (not a catalog for the 'General Public'), and I remember almost spitting up my drink when I saw those prices in the catalog - YES, $1,500, $2,000, $3,500 and up to just shy of the $5,000 mark.

The better the leather, the better the lining, the better the quality, the higher the price...

- Smitty

[frikativ54]

Hamilton is a terrific player, don't get me wrong. However, what happens is then people pay these prices now and then later when they're selling them, assuming Hamilton's value as a player hasn't changed, or potentially goes down, they try to recoup their investment and they can't because it's "Hamilton who?" and they get offers for less than half of what they paid. Why does an Eric Davis glove currently on eBay have a $2500 asking price?

I really don't think it's ever going to be "Hamilton who?" Most people who follow the game of baseball know of Josh's incredible story of recovery from drug addiction and his perseverance through problems that many of us face. I also don't think fans will forget about Hamilton's performance in the Home Run Derby in New York. I doubt the value of his items is going down any time soon.

[frikativ54]

Now, as far as hats... and I am a Hat Collector - is $650 to much? Maybe. But, next to gloves, one of the single MOST used pieces of equipment.

Like Gloves, many players wear the same Home and Road caps all year (except for special games - July 4th, etc) making them more scarce than Jerseys, Bats, Pants, etc.

I have a few hats that I have close to $400 into, so would I stretch that for a chance to own a Josh Hamilton VERIFIED GU WS Hat? Quite Possibly and I am now watching them both because of this thread...

Glad that the thread has piqued your interest. I don't have the money to buy a lot of the stuff, so I'm glad other forum members are interested in making a purchase or two. Good luck. :)

[AM]

frikativ54,

Agreed about Hamilton - a story and talent never to forget.

But if he doesn't make the HOF and eventually he's going to fade, I have to think his items will decrease in value - to what extent, I can't answer, but I brought up the Eric Davis glove just as an example. Hamilton is a better player than Davis, no question, but I recall Davis was highly touted, billed as one of the game's best all-around players, and was probably collected at some point. Is his glove worth $2500? I collect gloves and I can say based upon what I have paid and seen, for big name players too, I would never pay that much for an Eric Davis glove. I'd start at 1/3 that price, then work down.

Of course, I am not assuming a seller will get what he wants for an item, but the asking prices for some of these items leads me to believe that there is overvaluing (and past overpaying).

Perhaps I am way off base here, and maybe my opinion doesn't carry much weight with other collectors, but this is how I see it.

Good discussion nonetheless.

[ncbadges]

If I was a glove collector, I'd buy it, PERIOD. It should be noted that the MLB Authentication is for the signature though, and not the use.

ncb

[2x_beckett_super_collector]

Ive looked up a few of the MLB holo #'s on the auctions that say "game used/autographed" but none of them have authentication for the item being game used....only autographed. I wonder why that is?

[Fnazxc0114]

I think AM makes a good point. It seems like the trend in g/u stuff is for stars who are playing right now. Look at a Nomar Garciaparra, he was realy good for a while but he will never make the hall. How collectible is his stuff? How much can a henderson, dawson, boggs bat be had for these days?

[Fnazxc0114]

Also, newyorknewyork beat me out for the hamilton batting helmet that was recently auctioned off.

[frikativ54]

Wow, that glove (http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169105101&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169451811) just jumped from about $1,660 to $2,805. Can't believe it. I was afraid that it wouldn't fetch that much money, its being on a two-day auction and all.

[slam]

Is it me or does that glove look pretty unused?

[Fnazxc0114]

a quick look through gettys looks like hamilton doesnt use that style of glove in games. The photos on getty show different pocket webbing?

[OaklandAsFan]

I was tempted but it has jumped way out of my comfort zone, especially when there is a question of use. I thought it looked pretty unused when I was looking at it. At least you have a legit out if you buy it, the auction title does say game used.

[frikativ54]

The blue hat does look like a match though. I can't find pics of Josh wearing a red hat in the 2010 WS.

[slam]

BTW, I believe the MLB hologram is only authenticating the signature.

[joelsabi]

BTW, I believe the MLB hologram is only authenticating the signature.

Just some observations.


FJ 275557 – FJ 275619 63 Hamilton items signed during a signing session for MLB ALUMNI MARKETING SIGNING
MLB ALUMNI MARKETING SIGNING is known primarily for getting autographs of players according to their website.
Some titles of auction items for Hamilton mention "game used" but all Hamilton items neglect to mention "game use" in the description of the auction item.
Anyone can order a fielding glove (FJ275563 Fielding Glove) with an embroidered nickname as opposed to a glove with a player's name.


If anyone is thinking seriously of bidding, to play on the safe side I would email Matt Hazzard at matt@mlbpaa.com for clarification of provenance and game usage.

[xpress34]

The blue hat does look like a match though. I can't find pics of Josh wearing a red hat in the 2010 WS.

Getty Images:

2011 World Series Game 4 Hamilton

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/130153956/Getty-Images-Sport

Smitty

[slam]

Getty Images:

2011 World Series Game 4 Hamilton

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/130153956/Getty-Images-Sport

Smitty

Hey Smitty,

Those pics are from 2011 and the hat is a 2010.

[ncbadges]

If I was a glove collector, I'd buy it, PERIOD. It should be noted that the MLB Authentication is for the signature though, and not the use.

ncb

Again

[joelsabi]

On the Hamilton items at auction I emailed the source and got this reply. If you have followup question, email Matt directly. matt@mlbpaa.com He responded quickly.


Joel-

The Hamilton items were used during the 2010 season unless otherwise noted. Josh is an exclusive client of ours and he gives us products from his locker. Because the items were not damaged (ie- cracked bat), they do not get authenticated at specific games. Therefore, they are all “player issued” items when MLB authenticates the signature.

I hope that gives you a little better information about the items.

Thanks,

Matt Tissi
Major League Alumni Marketing
Memorabilia Coordinator
640 Southpointe Ct., Suite 200
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
(719) 475-1847 (o)
(719) 477-1875 (f)

[Fnazxc0114]

That price for a game issued glove is pretty crazy. Look at getty Hamilton doesnt use that style of glove in games

[frikativ54]

That price for a game issued glove is pretty crazy. Look at getty Hamilton doesnt use that style of glove in games

Not even in 2010? IMO, the leather on the webbing looked like it took a beating.

[xpress34]

Hey Smitty,

Those pics are from 2011 and the hat is a 2010.

My bad - I misread Frik...been under the weather and drugged up the past few days...

- Smitty

[lakeerie92]

Not even in 2010? IMO, the leather on the webbing looked like it took a beating.

I agree it isn't the same style web he used. Here is a photo from 2010 that shows his webbing.

http://apimages.ap.org/OneUp.aspx?st=k&kw=josh%20hamilton&showact=results&sort=date&intv=None&sh=10&kwstyle=or&adte=1321398595&pagez=60&cfasstyle=AND&rids=5c3c28c4daec4bb097d606ceaf9de5aa&dbm=PY2010&page=1&xslt=1&mediatype=Photo

The webbing of the auctioned glove looks more like an infielders glove too.

[frikativ54]

My bad - I misread Frik...been under the weather and drugged up the past few days...

Feel better, Smitty. :)

[frikativ54]

I went through most of GettyImages' pictures of Hamilton fielding from 2007 to present, and there was not one conclusive example of him using a glove with the same webbing as in the auction. The Wilson A2000 is correct, as is Hambone #32. What just does not match up is the webbing.

[shaunharr]

I read or heard in an interview that Hamilton doesn't like the checkered/ 'H' webbing. He was saying how he always loved seeing guys with custom gloves and stuff embroidered, etc.

[AstrosGU]

What do you guys think is a fair price for a game issued Hamilton glove with the correct webbing?

[frikativ54]

What do you guys think is a fair price for a game issued Hamilton glove with the correct webbing?

Maybe between $1,000 and $1,400. That's just a guess though.

[shoremen44]

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169337484&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169684194

Did you guys see this?... Hamilton GU WS bat

[frikativ54]

http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=169337484&prmenbr=33072944&aunbr=169684194

Did you guys see this?... Hamilton GU WS bat

Wow - I didn't. Someone better make sure to photomatch that baby, before pulling the trigger.