Distraught about Canada Post-Need Help

[EurekaDave]

I'm upset and need help.

One month ago, I paid for a Miguel Tejada baseball glove from a Canada seller. He said he sent it and even sent a scan of the customs form. No glove and no COA (in separate envelope). The tracking no. does not show on either Canada or USPS sites.

So what happened and what should I do. The seller does not answer e-mails and cellphone does not take messages.

Any recourse? I still have faith but am very upset. I paid with Paypal. Any help there?

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[Dewey2007]

If it's been a month I'd file a claim through Paypal especially if the seller is not responding to e-mail. At least you might get their attention and your money back if they had no intention of sending the item in the first place.

[trsent]

I'm upset and need help.

One month ago, I paid for a Miguel Tejada baseball glove from a Canada seller. He said he sent it and even sent a scan of the customs form. No glove and no COA (in separate envelope). The tracking no. does not show on either Canada or USPS sites.

So what happened and what should I do. The seller does not answer e-mails and cellphone does not take messages.

Any recourse? I still have faith but am very upset. I paid with Paypal. Any help there?

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

File a PayPal claim and hope. If you did the deal off eBay you may not get proper coverage, but it is worth a try.

If you paid with a credit card, be sure to file a dispute with your credit card for non-delivery.

I always recommend paying for items with a credit card through PayPal and not through your bank account or funds in the PayPal account as your credit card should protect you in the event of non-delivery.

[cohibasmoker]

I'm upset and need help.

One month ago, I paid for a Miguel Tejada baseball glove from a Canada seller. He said he sent it and even sent a scan of the customs form. No glove and no COA (in separate envelope). The tracking no. does not show on either Canada or USPS sites.

So what happened and what should I do. The seller does not answer e-mails and cellphone does not take messages.

Any recourse? I still have faith but am very upset. I paid with Paypal. Any help there?

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

File a complaint with PayPal - that should get his/her attention.

Jim

[EurekaDave]

I could be out of luck. Paypal won't investigate because I sent the money as a gift, not goods or services. Lesson learned.

It's really a terrible feeling when you come to another collector's aid and spend money you don't really have -- and get dumped on.

Horrible!!!

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[cohibasmoker]

I could be out of luck. Paypal won't investigate because I sent the money as a gift, not goods or services. Lesson learned.

It's really a terrible feeling when you come to another collector's aid and spend money you don't really have -- and get dumped on.

Horrible!!!

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Dave - that truly sucks. Would you mind posting the guy's eBay User ID?

Jim

[EurekaDave]

Sure thing!!! His name is David Keen. Sounded like a really wonderful guy and put the glove on lay-away for me. His e-mails are davegameguy@yahoo.com and julielovesbunnies@hotmail.com

He even scanned the customs form with tracking no. for me. But there are problems:

1. The customs form has no sending date on it.
2. Tracking no. does not register either with Canada or US Postal service.
3. Cellphone goes immediately to "...not accepting calls..."
4. He has not responded to e-mails to either address.

I'm a trusting guy and I want to believe he is straight-up. And I will apologize profusely if he is. I even hate to publish his name. But this is just not right---not fair.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Maybe a few e-mails from other collectors to get his attention?

[EurekaDave]

From: DAVID SILVERBRAND <das1721@att.net>
Subject: Re: Tejada Item
To: "david keen" <davegameguy@yahoo.ca>
Received: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 4:54 PM


I sent the mone7y. I just tried your cellphone to tell you it was on the way but the recorded voice said to try later. No problem. I just wanted to get some money to you.

Dave Silverbrand

[EurekaDave]

My mistake... davegameguy@yahoo.ca

That's the correct e-mail

[MSpecht]

Regarding Post # 5, sending Paypal as a gift, this may be a good time for everyone to revisit the below thread in order to avoid at least one pitfall in the future.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=44240&highlight=paypal+gift

Mike jackitout7@aol.com

[otismalibu]

He's a Senior Member of this board, correct?

[BULBUS]

Dave,

Did you use your credit/debit card through Paypal? If so, you can get your money back. Just call your card company.

[Dewey2007]

I agree. Sorry to hear this happened to the OP. Hopefully things work out for the best. Unfortunately just a matter of time before it happened.

I recently completed a deal with a forum member and he sent me payment with an eCheck through Paypal. No fees were deducted on my end so this is another option to pay those sellers who ask for payment as a paypal gift. It takes a few extra days to get the money but it worked out for both of us.


Regarding Post # 5, sending Paypal as a gift, this may be a good time for everyone to revisit the below thread in order to avoid at least one pitfall in the future.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=44240&highlight=paypal+gift

Mike jackitout7@aol.com

[UTeric3232]

Sorry man...

But for everyone. NEVER send as a gift! Its worth it to tell the seller you will cover the fees!

Like others have said, file a claim straight with your CC company.

[EurekaDave]

Update--

About the Miguel Tejada glove I bought through a Canadian guy and did not receive.

Paypal has been great. Because I sent money as a gift (my idea dammit!!!) they cannot cover the lost $350 but they did flag the account of Julie Freymond, to whom I sent the money. Also, my bank will file a claim for me.

I may not get the money but I got a good lesson about letting down my guard. And thanks so much to forum members who have been by my side.

Dave Silverbrand

[Dewey2007]

Just curious if Paypal inquired as to why you sent the money as a gift when you contacted them about this matter?


Update--

About the Miguel Tejada glove I bought through a Canadian guy and did not receive.

Paypal has been great. Because I sent money as a gift (my idea dammit!!!) they cannot cover the lost $350 but they did flag the account of Julie Freymond, to whom I sent the money. Also, my bank will file a claim for me.

I may not get the money but I got a good lesson about letting down my guard. And thanks so much to forum members who have been by my side.

Dave Silverbrand

[EurekaDave]

They did not inquire about the gift. They said only that Paypal fees are paying for a layer of protection that the gift does not. The paypal claim is only a way of tweaking the conscience of the delinquent seller.

Again, it was my mistake. I have a big heart and wanted to help a guy who had just "lost his job." Still,the bank said it can file a claim for me because the money came through fraud and my checking account. We shall see...

Thanks for all the moral support. Again the errant e-mails are davegameguy@yahoo.ca and julielovesbunnies@hotmail.com Not giving up,
Dave Silverbrand

[schubert1970]

I just got taken for $400 from the exact same person. I bought 2 Bautista hats about a month ago and haven't received them. He comes off like a nice guy but doesn't deliver or answer emails. This is the first time I've ever been ripped off on this board. Makes just want to stop collecting. Pay pal says they can't help me.

Bill

[schubert1970]

Same story.....I'm trying to file a claim with my credit card company.


From: david keen <davegameguy@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Bautista Items
To: "Bill" <schubert1970@yahoo.com>
Received: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:09 PM

I am sure I will lol!!!!* Just lost my job so parting with some of my collection to make ends meet.* Its an awesome black hat with red brim...really one of a kind!!!

[schubert1970]

Hi Bill,
*
The items shipped Sept 2nd via Canada Post, items are due to arrive by the weekend.
*
Dave

--- On Tue, 9/13/11, Bill <schubert1970@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bill <schubert1970@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bautista Items
To: "david keen" <davegameguy@yahoo.ca>
Received: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 3:25 PM

David, * Can you let me know when you shipped? *

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:29 AM, david keen <davegameguy@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Hi Bill,
*
Payment received and the items will be shipping tonite.
*
Thanks
*
Dave

[both-teams-played-hard]

Pay pal says they can't help me.


Did you send this payment as a "gift". I'm confused why PayPal can't help you.

[b.heagy]

Just curious if you have the seller send an invoice via paypal, would paypal protect you? I know the gift thing is to avoid fees to the seller but having the seller send an invoice would seem like a safer avenue.

[hiramman]

What is this guy's ebay id?

[EurekaDave]

Hi David,

Wandered over to the little postal outlet near my home and they assured me the Canada Post website will get updated today. Because it is out in the boonies, the item didn't get picked up until Friday so it will be trackable today. Here is a copy of the waybill I scanned in for you.

Thanks

Dave

Wow!!! Same guy. Same MO. Paypal said the fees guarentee their coverage -- sort of like an insurance premium. A gift is not covered. Paypal is real nice about it and files a claim for you but it's really only a "feel-good" gesture. The credit card dispute, or in my case the bank, since it came thrugh my checking account, are my only options.

No Ebay ID. I think he just trolls the forum and e-mails people directly with the "Just lost my job. Hate to part with it." I guess we could spam him with e-mails but I'm sure he doesn't care. Collectors -- just be wary of the story and, as forum members say, cover yourself with protection.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[Lokee]

Not all Canadians are like you guys are portraying them to be.

[camarokids]

So what is the update on this Dave? Any luck on getting your item?

As a side note. Growing up in St. Pete, Fl. Driving around we used to get quite upset with all the cars that had Ontario & Quebec license plates.....Snow Birds the Northern Tourists were called.... They would drive pretty darn slow and/or get lost all the time ....:D

[brewcrew]

I think it might be time to close this thread.

[EurekaDave]

I'll have no luck getting item or refund ($350). The bank cannot help because I voluntarily surrendered my account access to Paypal for my convenience. Paypal cannot help because I sent it as a gift. Summing things up...

1. We have great built-in protection through Paypal and credit cards. Use it by sending Paypal as "goods" or "services." -- not as "gift." Use that protection by using your credit card. I did neither. My bad.

2. I did not mean to bash Canadiens or their lovely country. Seriously. But nobody should be allowed to take advantage of others the way davegameguy@yahoo.ca or julielovesbunnies@hotmail.com or whoever it was did. It hurts us all.

3. Thanks for this forum. Because of it, other collectors can be protected from the same or similar scams. Apologies and blessings to all.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[Lokee]

Before any American bashes another country they should probably look at there own country first.

That being said I have love for all countries and people.

[DeacDoug]

Sorry son. Canada is the ripoff country. Americans have no recourse there. Most Canadians may be honest, but the country itself is a big joke. Canadians come to America and tip like Tiger Woods; sell viagra and other prescription drugs over the internet; and steal American films and books while hiding beyond the small country bullshit. Canada needs to step up and pay its share of defense spending. When I go there, I try to spend as little as possible knowing that they would do the same here in the States.

[Danny899]

It's amazing how a collector's issue with a seller can morph into a international political debate like it did here. Did I read the words like, viagara and defense spending here somewhere? Aren't there other forums that cover those topics? This is still the Game Used Universe Forum, right?

[both-teams-played-hard]

This thread should be locked. There is simply no room for a meaningful debate. It is simple: The United States of America rocks.


USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...US A...USA...USA...USA..

[Lokee]

CANADA CANADA CANADA

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[Lokee]

lock the thread we are just having fun :)

[commando]

:d

[vballGuy]

Sorry son. Canada is the ripoff country. Americans have no recourse there. Most Canadians may be honest, but the country itself is a big joke. Canadians come to America and tip like Tiger Woods; sell viagra and other prescription drugs over the internet; and steal American films and books while hiding beyond the small country bullshit. Canada needs to step up and pay its share of defense spending. When I go there, I try to spend as little as possible knowing that they would do the same here in the States.

Some forum members have been banned for making statements less offensive than this. I hope the forum moderators will take care of this member.

[solarlottry]

First who cares where the scammer is from. There are scammers down the street from me just as there are scammers from Nigeria to Wall Street.

This is NOT the first time this has happened! About a year ago someone contacted me about a Patrick Willis gamer they were selling due to the same litany of reasons. He provided me with pictures but they were the exact same images of the Willis jersey that JO sold. Of course I was suspicious but he persisted and kept contacting me asking me to paypal him and he would mail the shirt next day air.

Needless to say he could NOT answer basic questions about the jersey like use, hits, repairs, even size. I asked for more images and he had an excuse for everything. He eventually stopped emailing me but I was told that he had emailed a # of other people trying to scam them as well.

Eventually Chris Cavalier contacted me and asked about the emails etc. in an attempt to stop this kind of behavior and possible track down the culprit. i have no idea of what transpired after I gave Chris the information.

Another lesson to every board member and collector in general-do your homework, ask questions and if it sounds too good to be true then it probably does not exist!

Always buying 49ers gamers!
Paul
garciajones@yahoo.com

[cohibasmoker]

I'll have no luck getting item or refund ($350). The bank cannot help because I voluntarily surrendered my account access to Paypal for my convenience. Paypal cannot help because I sent it as a gift. Summing things up...

1. We have great built-in protection through Paypal and credit cards. Use it by sending Paypal as "goods" or "services." -- not as "gift." Use that protection by using your credit card. I did neither. My bad.

2. I did not mean to bash Canadiens or their lovely country. Seriously. But nobody should be allowed to take advantage of others the way davegameguy@yahoo.ca or julielovesbunnies@hotmail.com or whoever it was did. It hurts us all.

3. Thanks for this forum. Because of it, other collectors can be protected from the same or similar scams. Apologies and blessings to all.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Dave,

Just wondering - since the Seller had no intention of delivering, I wonder if you can sign a criminal complaint against him at your local PD? In NJ the charge would be "Theft by Deception". Of course he/she won't show-up for court and a Criminal Contempt Warrant would be issued.

With a criminal warrant on the books, the next time your Pal tries to cross the border, Customs will run their DL and the warrant will show-up and he/she will be detained by Customs. They (Customs) would contact your local PD and ask if they still want the guy and if they do, your PD will have to pick him up. Your local PD probably won't have the manpower and/or time to send two (2) guys to pick him up so the guy would be released.

The first step is to get as much info that you can, go to your local PD and see if they can help you. If they can, the guy probably won't be arrested but at least you'll be able to break his wagons if he tries to drive across the border.

Just a thought,

Jim

[Danny899]

[quote=cohibasmoker;268235]Dave,

Just wondering - since the Seller had no intention of delivering, I wonder if you can sign a criminal complaint against him at your local PD? In NJ the charge would be "Theft by Deception". Of course he/she won't show-up for court and a Criminal Contempt Warrant would be issued.

And if he were to get locked up in Jersey on a theft by deception charge, he can go to court and it will be downgraded to a seatbelt ticket. If they even enforce the warrant in the first place. If you're in LE in NJ, than you will certainly appreciate the humor in my post here!

Dan

[cohibasmoker]

[quote=cohibasmoker;268235]Dave,

Just wondering - since the Seller had no intention of delivering, I wonder if you can sign a criminal complaint against him at your local PD? In NJ the charge would be "Theft by Deception". Of course he/she won't show-up for court and a Criminal Contempt Warrant would be issued.

And if he were to get locked up in Jersey on a theft by deception charge, he can go to court and it will be downgraded to a seatbelt ticket. If they even enforce the warrant in the first place. If you're in LE in NJ, than you will certainly appreciate the humor in my post here!

Dan

I am retired LE in NJ. Can't speak for Dave but if your scenario happens, Dave would probably have a giggle out of it. My main point was/is, once a criminal contempt warrant is issued, its entered into the NCIC system. The next time Dave's pal crosses the Canadian/American border, if his info is checked, he'll come back a hit. What happens then is up to Customs. They may or may NOT notify the local jurisdiction - Dave may never see his money but at the very least Dave's pal will be detained.

Just a thought.

[NEFAN]

Not all Canadians are like you guys are portraying them to be.

I've never had a problem selling or buying from collectors from North of the Border. My bash was of a Canadian auto insurance company, actually 2 who shafted me.

[EurekaDave]

On-line, I can and will file a federal mail fraud complaint against the two people in Ontario, Canada, David Keen davegameguy@yahoo.ca and Julie Freymond of julielovesbunnies@hotmail.com. To fraudulently accept cash for merchandise and then not send it is a federal offense. File a complaint yourself and protect other collectors. It's easy and can really mess them up. Thanks for your help and support.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[EurekaDave]

For those who have been defrauded through the mail, follow this...

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx

File a claim. It costs nothing and can help all of us.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[BULBUS]

You can also file on the Federal level:

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

The more complaints against these thieves, the more likely something will be done.

[cohibasmoker]

For those who have been defrauded through the mail, follow this...

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx

File a claim. It costs nothing and can help all of us.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

That a boy !!!!!!!!!!! I can't say what the folks in Canada are feeling, perhaps they feel safe because they are in another country, but if there are criminal changes against them in the Country, perhaps the next time they cross the border, at least they will be detained.

Jim

[EurekaDave]

Now he wants more money for postage.

Funny thing, the two worst experiences I have had here have been with Canadians. This one is the worst by far.

But I sold some bats to a Canadian guy not long ago. Sold on eBay at 11:00 a.m. He filed an eBay and Paypal complaint almost immediately. Froze my accounts and everything.

I've been treated better in third world countries.

das1721@att.net

[camarokids]

A month later he is asking for more money for postage? Tell him to ship the item first and when you receive you will pay him extra. Of course after you receive the item tell him to pound sand!

[MarlinsCanesCop86]

[QUOTE=Danny899;268241]

I am retired LE in NJ. Can't speak for Dave but if your scenario happens, Dave would probably have a giggle out of it. My main point was/is, once a criminal contempt warrant is issued, its entered into the NCIC system. The next time Dave's pal crosses the Canadian/American border, if his info is checked, he'll come back a hit. What happens then is up to Customs. They may or may NOT notify the local jurisdiction - Dave may never see his money but at the very least Dave's pal will be detained.

Just a thought.

Nice to see fellow LE in the hobby. I'm not even close to retiring, 5 years so far in the bag. Down here in NC, I doubt our LE would even know the procedure for something like this. I'd go so far to say that some prosecutors wouldn't know what to do. Most magistrates wouldn't know what to charge and probably wouldn't give you Probable Cause. What would be even better is you get an awesome judicial official that allows full extradition.

Down here we have a charge called "obtaining property under false pretense" that's probably the NC equivalent of the Nj charge.

[EurekaDave]

I'm the "distraught about Canada" guy but this deserves its own thread.

The Canada guy who accepted my money for a Miguel Tejada glove more than a month ago--never sent it--then demanded more money-- is a Senior GUU member. Senior member!!! He is XPFO, David Keen of London Ontario, davegameguy@yahoo.ca

I have now filed complaints with the FBI's computer fraud department as well as the US Postal inspectors. I am now pursuing the police complaint root.

This looks really, really bad, bad, bad for the forum. Bad!!!!

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Dave Keen, if you're reading this, I'll be happy to send you postage money when I receive the glove.
das1721@att.net

[eisenreich8]

Hi Dave,

You'll prevail. The best thing you could have done besides lodging formal complaints is to "out" the guy here on the forum. Kudos and best of luck.

Joe

[dcgreg25]

Dave, I went ahead and merged the threads rather than have two active threads open on the same subject. Given the number and nature of the complaints regarding this member, I have emailed the member and suspended his account pending a response and/or resolution of the issue.

While Game Used Universe is not responsible for monitoring these types of transactions, as a moderator I take the trust among members very seriously and there is zero tolerance for breaches of this trust. While the forum is intended to be used by collectors for the benefit of collectors, these events should serve as a reminder to all of us to take the necessary steps to protect yourself when acquiring items whether the seller is a GUU member or not.

Unfortunately, I had to delete a few posts on this thread that were off topic. Again, if the post doesn't help provide useful, on-topic information for other collectors, please resist the urge to post. Dave, I hope you are able to reach a positive resolution, please do let us know what happens.

[frikativ54]

Dave, I went ahead and merged the threads rather than have two active threads open on the same subject. Given the number and nature of the complaints regarding this member, I have emailed the member and suspended his account pending a response and/or resolution of the issue.

I applaud GUU for suspending the member. Just disgusting that someone would take advantage of others' trust.

[jppopma]

[QUOTE=cohibasmoker;268345]

Nice to see fellow LE in the hobby. I'm not even close to retiring, 5 years so far in the bag. Down here in NC, I doubt our LE would even know the procedure for something like this. I'd go so far to say that some prosecutors wouldn't know what to do. Most magistrates wouldn't know what to charge and probably wouldn't give you Probable Cause. What would be even better is you get an awesome judicial official that allows full extradition.

Down here we have a charge called "obtaining property under false pretense" that's probably the NC equivalent of the Nj charge.


As another fellow LEO, these cases always walk a very fine line between a criminal matter and a civil matter. Intent is a very hard thing to prove on these issues and many times they turn into a big "he said, he said" mess.

None the less, have faith that there are more laws on the books than excuses these dirtbags can come up with. It may take some persuading, but in the end justice will be served.

[EurekaDave]

For the record --
I'm not interested in criminal intent--or even retribution. I would gladly forgive and forget when I have the glove. I'm just a guy with unbridled passion for dirty uniforms and greasy gloves. No fine line there.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[Danny899]

For the record --
I'm not interested in criminal intent--or even retribution. I would gladly forgive and forget when I have the glove. I'm just a guy with unbridled passion for dirty uniforms and greasy gloves. No fine line there.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Amen to that! :)

[EurekaDave]

I thought I would give you an update on my dispute with former Senior Member David Keen XPFO. He's the one who sold but did not ship a Miguel Tejada glove.

1. I e-mail to him twice a day asking for peaceful resolution. However I get no response and have no street address or working phone no.
2. I have filed complaints with U.S. Postal Inspector and the IC3, a federal investigative service linked to the FBI.
3. I have offered to pay for shipment by any method, payable when the merchandise is in hand. I would keep that promise.
4. I have been assured by forum moderators that the man has been banned pending resolution.
5. I have learned a lot about trust and self-protection. Again, I am not a punitive guy. I just need information.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

Thanks to the GUU for your help and moral support

[EurekaDave]

I thought you guys would like an update in my fight for justice -- the Miguel Tejada glove I paid for but never got. The government has feel-good mail fraud programs -- but nothing like self-protection.

1. I e-mail David Keen (davegameguy@yahoo.ca) of London, Ontario two or three times a day with CC's to his wife. She asked me to stop but of course I won't.

2. I also send messages through his Facebook and his wife's Paypal accounts.

3. Finally, I troll the Internet for references to him. Before he was banned from this forum, he used the ID XPFO. I just found out what that means: Extreme Pillow Fighting Organization. Seriously. The things you learn when you get ripped off.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net

[camarokids]

I bought a Chris Gomez Mizuno glove from Dave before with no problems. Sorry you are having issues!

[EurekaDave]

Thanks for your comments. I really do not mean ill-will to him, but it's always hard when you cannot communicate with him at all. His cellphone does not work, I have no street address and he does not respond at all to e-mails. I have even offered to cover the postage when it arrives. Nothing.

It has really been hard for me because I sent the money as a "gift" through paypal, to save him a bit. Now I've got nothing. It is very hard.

Do you have any contact informatikon? How long ago did you buy the glove? Actually, now I am worried about him and for him. Just me. Your guidance wouls be appreciated.

Dave Silverbrand
das1721@att.net