Funny Fakes

[nate]

Ebayer purchases jerseys of Mantle, Williams, Jordan...etc

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=24889&item=300014184411

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ted-Williams-Autographed-Boston-Red-Sox-1939-Jersey-COA_W0QQitemZ300020921834QQihZ020QQcategoryZ27264Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not only does he have the feedback from the unsigned jerseys available but he uses THEIR pictures of the jersey!

[2000mvpfan]

.....even better,look at the Babe Ruth Commemorative Ball he won on 8/6,and look at the "signed" Ruth ball he's got for sale right now.

I guess it must have been really hard to get out the words Commemorative Edition out from under the sig,but it's laughable that he left the rest of the ball snow white!

Joe

[ahuff]

That sort of stuff makes me angry. Did you notice that there are no returns on autographed items?

I think the stuff he has up there now looks so bogus that nobody seems to be giving it the time of day, with just a few exceptions. Perhaps one of us should buy it and then turn them into http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/

That brings up a great question. Who should police this type of behavior? I've been putting a lot of thought into this, lately. Haven't we had members who have purchased bogus items simply to be able to turn potentially fraudulent items in? I think it is a great idea, because it will not get better, but simply worse, if we sit back and do nothing.

Another question, is this - Do any of you have knowledge of replica jerseys. I only own one, but isn't there a way to track the year it was made by the style of the manufacturers tag? Perhaps the manufacture date would actually be after they time they deceased.

By the way, Eric, I have contacted the seller to see where the sigs were obtained from on the deceased guys. I haven't heard back, yet.

[suave1477]

You can report it to Ebay. If you give them enough evidence showing that it is not what they say it is the will remove the Auction or possibly suspend/ban the Ebay Seller.

[stkmtimo]

All of that stuff is fake, fake, fake! Also, what moron would put an authentic Babe Ruth signed baseball on what looks like a path of rocks in the guy's yard? :rolleyes:

Tim

[mr.miracle]

All of that stuff is fake, fake, fake! Also, what moron would put an authentic Babe Ruth signed baseball on what looks like a path of rocks in the guy's yard? :rolleyes:

Tim


Don't know if anyone noticed but our good friend and fellow forum member fraudfinder is the next to highest bidder on the Ruth ball auction. It looks like he is diligently patrolling the auctions of ebay to make sure that all is on the up and up.

[mr.miracle]

On a side note, if you are selling a highly priced item on ebay that appears to be at least somewhat questionable and you find that the high bidder for your item is someone named fraudfinder, I would think that perhaps that would set off the alarm bells that maybe, just maybe you might have a very serious problem on your hands.

[stkmtimo]

On a side note, if you are selling a highly priced item on ebay that appears to be at least somewhat questionable and you find that the high bidder for your item is someone named fraudfinder, I would think that perhaps that would set off the alarm bells that maybe, just maybe you might have a very serious problem on your hands.

Exactly, I'd be really nervous if I saw that and was a bidder. Luckily, this is so blatantly fake that we shouldn't have much (if any) serious bidding. The COA is the funniest part, especially the last two lines.

Tim

[jon_8_us]

If you look closely at the Ruth ball it is not the same as the one he bought and has feedback for on 8/6.The stitiching is different.I believe he probably bought the ball so he had a good signature to copy.This guy is a complete joke and a thief.Something should happen with the authorities here!He is clearly a forgerer and a thief!
jon

[cjosefy]

Cut a hole in a card, stick a patch in it, stamp it with your own 1/1 stamp and you get:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44862&item=300015850799

Michael Jordan: A "Tribut" to Greatness

[suave1477]

Now That Is Classic!!!

[stkmtimo]

Cut a hole in a card, stick a patch in it, stamp it with your own 1/1 stamp and you get:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44862&item=300015850799

Michael Jordan: A "Tribut" to Greatness

Ah, playing the "dumb" card. He says: "I don't know much about cards so I'm selling it like I see it." I've seen that tactic used so many times so people can try to recuse themselves from potential liability if they are found out to be frauds. What a joke!

Tim

[suave1477]

I would have been able to accept it just a bit more if the guy didnt cut off the Letter "E" to the word "Tribute" when he stuck the patch in the card lol lol:p

[jon_8_us]

I can see where you guys find this funny but this guy is a criminal!He is a autograph forgerer and a card forgerer as well.He has robbed thousands of dollars from people for 100% bogus items.I don't know enough to do something about it but i know someone out there does.Getting kicked of ebay is not enough.This guy should be prosecuted!
jon

[bat_master]

Hi Everyone,

I seriously don't understand why this is considered a joke? There shouldn't be a single "LOL" in this entire thread. :mad:

I went back through the feedback from this seller and he is burning people left and right.

Here are some of his past transactions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27264&item=300012902109

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27277&item=300009850704

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27269&item=8814940937

I reported him for the Favre and Mantle jersey sales as well as the current Babe Ruth ball. This guy is making an obscene amount of money by ripping people off and as a collective we group we should all be outraged.

Tim Byington
www.tjsportsmn.com (http://www.tjsportsmn.com)

[mr.miracle]

Just out of curiosity, is there such a place as ProAmm Collectibles that he is claiming all these LOA's come from, or is ProAmm Collectibles courtesy of his home computer printer? Just wonding if anyone knows if there is such a place or if everything this guy is doing is bogus?

[stkmtimo]

Hi Everyone,

I seriously don't understand why this is considered a joke? There shouldn't be a single "LOL" in this entire thread. :mad:

I went back through the feedback from this seller and he is burning people left and right.

Here are some of his past transactions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27264&item=300012902109

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27277&item=300009850704

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27269&item=8814940937

I reported him for the Favre and Mantle jersey sales as well as the current Babe Ruth ball. This guy is making an obscene amount of money by ripping people off and as a collective we group we should all be outraged.

Tim Byington
www.tjsportsmn.com (http://www.tjsportsmn.com)

Tim,
You are absolutely right. I just reported him for the fake Ruth, Jordans and McGwire he has up. Everyone, PLEASE fill out a report and send the item numbers of those auctions of his to eBay to prevent this fraud from ripping people off anymore:
http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=InlineSelfHelpWebfor m&wftype=2023&rcode=BN%25P10158&subject=Replica%20and%20Counterfeit%20Items&bcrumb=+Home+%3E+Help+Topics+%3E%A0Rules+and+Polic ies%A0%3E%A0Rules+about+Intellectual+Property%A0%3 E%A0Replica%2C+Counterfeit+Items+and+Unauthorized+ Copies&instruction=&expirationDate=

The Item numbers are: 300020579837 (Jordans), 300020921144 (Babe Ruth), 300020923362 (McGwire).

They are all blatant fakes. Please report these fake items on the link I provided above, just as I did. We need to get this guy off there and we can do so by reporting him collectively.

Thanks,
Tim

[jon_8_us]

I agree with Bat_master!This guy should be reported to the authorities as well!The Brady jersey he sold is amongst the worst fakes i have ever seen!And he has sold two of them with the same pictures!I own 25 Brady card company certified football cards as well as a couple Tri Star pieces of memorabilia and this isn't even close!Who are these people buying these item?It would take just a little bit of investigation on their part to realize this guy is a fraud.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tom-Brady-Signed-Authentic-Patriots-Jersey-Size-54_W0QQitemZ300016933743QQihZ020QQcategoryZ27277QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here is a picture of a Brady auto i got myself at training camp.

[kylehess10]

I threatened the seller yesterday saying that if he didn't remove his listings I would report him and also take further action and it looks like he removed half of them

[bat_master]

Just out of curiosity, is there such a place as ProAmm Collectibles that he is claiming all these LOA's come from, or is ProAmm Collectibles courtesy of his home computer printer? Just wonding if anyone knows if there is such a place or if everything this guy is doing is bogus?

Hi,

My best guess is that the COAs from this "ProAmm Collectibles" are homespun creations. I did a search on the Better Business Bureau website (http://www.bbb.org) and they have no record of that company operating in Nebraska.

Homespun or not, this is fraud. I also believe (someone with knowledge correct me if I'm wrong) that with the amount of money this guy has taken in on fraudulent items this has got to be getting close to a felony charge punishable by jail time.

Tim Byington
www.tjsportsmn.com (http://www.tjsportsmn.com)

[mr.miracle]

Hi,

My best guess is that the COAs from this "ProAmm Collectibles" are homespun creations. I did a search on the Better Business Bureau website (http://www.bbb.org) and they have no record of that company operating in Nebraska.

Homespun or not, this is fraud. I also believe (someone with knowledge correct me if I'm wrong) that with the amount of money this guy has taken in on fraudulent items this has got to be getting close to a felony charge punishable by jail time.

Tim Byington
www.tjsportsmn.com (http://www.tjsportsmn.com)

Tim:

You are correct, I could not come up with anything referencing ProAmm Collectible by internet search or otherwise. It looks like this is just as fake as the various items he is selling. Not sure on the felony charge, but probably if you add everything up it is darn close. I wonder if this is why fraudfinder is bidding on this. My guess is that others are onto this guy as well. Like several members have pointed out this guy should not just be kicked off ebay, he should be spending some time in the state pen.

[hblakewolf]

Brett-
There was/is a dealer in Canada that I purchased some older minor league baseball jerseys from by the name of Pro-Am Sports. The jerseys were older Portland Beavers (1980/81), and were legit. Maybe this will shed some light on the subject.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[suave1477]

Howard thats a whole different company

[sportscentury]

Folks,

This is beyond nuts. Do you remember that show "America's Dumbest Criminals"? This guy would be a frontrunner for their dumbest criminal of the year award (which is really saying something).

I'm glad to hear that people are taking action. As far as I'm concerned, he should be prosecuted, heavily fined, and incarcerated. This is just sickening.

Reid

[stkmtimo]

Folks,

This is beyond nuts. Do you remember that show "America's Dumbest Criminals"? This guy would be a frontrunner for their dumbest criminal of the year award (which is really saying something).

I'm glad to hear that people are taking action. As far as I'm concerned, he should be prosecuted, heavily fined, and incarcerated. This is just sickening.

Reid

Hi Reid,
I agree with you. I reported the guy's 3 remaining items to eBay as they are all clearly fakes but how do we go about preventing this guy from registering with another username and continuing his fraud? Any ideas?

Tim

[trsent]

Reid, what do you really think will happen?

eBay will suspend him and he will open a new account until the good users of this forum find him again. When will eBay start working with the proper authorities for people of this nature?

[sportscentury]

Tim, Joel, and others...

If you're looking to eBay to solve this problem, look elsewhere. The most (and I mean the MOST, if you're lucky) that they will do is terminate his account. It is highly ineffective.

There is the internet crime report (someone else referenced it in this thread), the Better Business Bureau, the police, the Attorney General's Office in the "alleged" criminal's jurisdiction, etc. Personally, I have found NONE of these to be of much help.

If you can round up enough "alleged" victims, you could start a class action suit (in your spare time).

It is a bleak situation. No authoritative body seems to accept ownership for internet fraud.

Reid

[mr.miracle]

Here is another one to add to the growing list, Auction #1, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=24970&item=160005256172 Reggie bush unsigned jersey

Auction #2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27277&item=300016934768

Reggie Bush signed jersey.

Not sure if we had that one on the list as I have completely lost track. This guy is a real piece of work.

[Airtron1]

i think hes knows something is up he has pulled all auctions which is a good thing he needs some jail time with bubba to fix him right up

[stkmtimo]

i think hes knows something is up he has pulled all auctions which is a good thing he needs some jail time with bubba to fix him right up

Airtron -
What do you mean "with Bubba"? Is that someone from Operation Bullpen?

Tim

[Airtron1]

"Bubba" is the "Big Daddy" in prision who makes guys his bitch if you catch my drift that is what that guy deserves to be bubba's bitch

[stkmtimo]

"Bubba" is the "Big Daddy" in prision who makes guys his bitch if you catch my drift that is what that guy deserves to be bubba's bitch

LOL, I should have known. Yep, this guy should be headed for the slammer.

Tim

[2dales1number3]

He also bought Jackie Robinson and Cy Young facsimile auto balls and a Dimaggio Jersey in addition to the Ruth ball and Mantle and Williams jerseys.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=nebpakfan30&completed=1&all=1&rows=200&sort=3

[suave1477]

I actually think its a shame he ruined a perfectly good Mantle Mitchell and Ness Jersey with the fake Mantle Autograph. The Mitchell and Ness Jersey itself retails between $250 to $300.

[dcrules01]

Just out of curiosity when did Mitchell & Ness release the Mantle jersey??? Mantle died in 95.....

[Utopian2630]

Hey Everyone,

I was researching something and came across this old tread. Well unfortunately, that seller everyone was was talking about is at it again. Look at this lot and tell me this isn't a joke.



http://cgi.ebay.com/M-Jordan-K-Bryant-L-Bird-Autographed-Jersey-Lot-COA_W0QQitemZ300094367060QQcategoryZ27269QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm sure SUPERIOR USA (according to the seller a VERY reputable company) did a private signing with Jordan and had him sign fradulent M&N Jerseys. You know its a real shame that this guy is still around.

[suave1477]

You gotta love it.....:rolleyes:

[MSpecht]

http://cgi.ebay.com/M-Johnson-K-Jabbar-Autographed-Jerseys-COA-w-Holo_W0QQitemZ300094973787QQcategoryZ27269QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hblakewolf]

I asked this seller who SUPERIOR USA is, as he indicates the LOA's are issued from them. As expected, no reply.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[zonker]

checkout the high bidder on the latest item from nebpac30 allaboutjordanmj23 and then check out his last purchase from sportsmemcollect17. then read the discription of item, doesn't it seem like all of these people are the same! i would love to see where payment was sent and to what address, isn't against ebay policy to bid,buy,and then leave feedback for yourself? even if it's under a differant name i know ebay don't care! they didn't care when our buddy (tmorin) was doing the same thing! i know for a fact i did all the leg work and told and showed them and yet i never got my money back and nothing was done to him! i absolutely agree with everybody! something has to be done and if nobody want's to do anything and there's fraud involved then there should be away to hold the law on a local level where the seller lives responible to act on it, cause the fraud was initiated there! just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!