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sox83cubs84
12-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Can anyone notice something unusual about this photo of Peyton Manning taken before the 1998 season?

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/344271.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD515165C303D6C8E3 F7860F3FDFE15480DD4D9BE09BA4C66C

Dave Miedema

Lokee
12-10-2010, 05:27 PM
What are we looking at Dave ? :p

Texstros
12-10-2010, 05:29 PM
X marks the spot?

kudu
12-10-2010, 05:52 PM
Other than the fact he is naked and riding a bull, i dont see anything unusual

sox83cubs84
12-10-2010, 06:39 PM
I asked you first, no and no

Try looking at Manning's jersey...

Dave M.

DJaeger22
12-10-2010, 06:56 PM
i thought qb's wore red jerseys during practice?

dcgreg25
12-10-2010, 07:07 PM
Champion jersey?

Texstros
12-10-2010, 07:09 PM
Its not supose to exist, rookie yr was 1988?

kudu
12-10-2010, 07:31 PM
Dave, my comment was a joke. For some reason Lokee and I cant see your photo. Could you post it again?

sox83cubs84
12-10-2010, 08:05 PM
Champion jersey?

We have a winner!!:D

The Colts wore Logo Athletic game jerseys in 1998, Puma in 1999-2000 and Reebok ever since. They last wore Champion in 1992. The Colts equipment guy must have dug out an oldie but a goodie for Manning to wear in 1998 summer and preseason camps.

Dave Miedema

Lokee
12-10-2010, 08:55 PM
for some reason the photo was not coming up now it is. Thanks

aeneas01
12-12-2010, 06:26 AM
Can anyone notice something unusual about this photo of Peyton Manning taken before the 1998 season? The Colts wore Logo Athletic game jerseys in 1998, Puma in 1999-2000 and Reebok ever since. They last wore Champion in 1992. The Colts equipment guy must have dug out an oldie but a goodie for Manning to wear in 1998 summer and preseason camps.

Dave Miedema

i'm not a jersey guy but i doubt the colts equipment manager fitted manning with an old champion jersey during the colts' 1998 camp... from what i can tell the colts wore both champion and wilson practice jerseys during manning's early days with the colts, through 2000/2001 or so, at least manning did...

photo on the left is from 1998 (harrison is wearing a wilson, manning a champion). center photo is from 2000 (manning sporting a wilson). and the photo on the right is a 2001 camp photo of manning sporting a different style champion, with logos on the sleeves (his rookie champion practice shirt didn't have sleeve logos)....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/comp.jpg

here are 1999 camp shots, wilson and champion garbs:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/comp2.jpg

and a 1998 camp shot of manning sporting wilson pants and (most likely) his champion shirt:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/199800.jpg

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sox83cubs84
12-13-2010, 06:32 PM
i'm not a jersey guy but i doubt the colts equipment manager fitted manning with an old champion jersey during the colts' 1998 camp... from what i can tell the colts wore both champion and wilson practice jerseys during manning's early days with the colts, through 2000/2001 or so, at least manning did...

photo on the left is from 1998 (harrison is wearing a wilson, manning a champion). center photo is from 2000 (manning sporting a wilson). and the photo on the right is a 2001 camp photo of manning sporting a different style champion, with logos on the sleeves (his rookie champion practice shirt didn't have sleeve logos)....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/comp.jpg

here are 1999 camp shots, wilson and champion garbs:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/comp2.jpg

and a 1998 camp shot of manning sporting wilson pants and (most likely) his champion shirt:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/199800.jpg

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Whatever the reason, I still found it interesting, given the Colts history of suppliers of game jerseys.

Dave Miedema

aeneas01
12-13-2010, 07:36 PM
Whatever the reason, I still found it interesting, given the Colts history of suppliers of game jerseys.

Dave Miedema

i'm still not following i guess - in the title of your post you referred to the tagging on manning's practice jersey as an "oddity" and then followed by saying that the tagging was "unusual" given:

"The Colts wore Logo Athletic game jerseys in 1998, Puma in 1999-2000 and Reebok ever since. They last wore Champion in 1992. The Colts equipment guy must have dug out an oldie but a goodie for Manning to wear in 1998 summer and preseason camps."

but clearly the colts (as well as other nfl teams) wore practice clothing with brands that varied from their game jerseys - so why is this an oddity, unusual or interesting? again, am i missing something?

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sox83cubs84
12-13-2010, 09:21 PM
i'm still not following i guess - in the title of your post you referred to the tagging on manning's practice jersey as an "oddity" and then followed by saying that the tagging was "unusual" given:

"The Colts wore Logo Athletic game jerseys in 1998, Puma in 1999-2000 and Reebok ever since. They last wore Champion in 1992. The Colts equipment guy must have dug out an oldie but a goodie for Manning to wear in 1998 summer and preseason camps."

but clearly the colts (as well as other nfl teams) wore practice clothing with brands that varied from their game jerseys - so why is this an oddity, unusual or interesting? again, am i missing something?

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No...just think you're splitting hairs on what defines "odd" and "unusual".

Dave M.

aeneas01
12-13-2010, 10:16 PM
No...just think you're splitting hairs on what defines "odd" and "unusual".

Dave M.

ok, just re-read the thread and i think i understand what's going on - you obviously didn't realize that the colts (and other nfl teams) were supplied with practice uniforms manufactured by companies other than the one that supplied the game uniforms. as such the photo of manning sporting a champion practice jersey struck you as an oddity, as unusual. and that's why you thought the jersey was an old stock from 6 years earlier that the colts' equipment folks had dug up for manning.

not sure how this constitutes me splitting hairs.....

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sox83cubs84
12-14-2010, 07:44 PM
ok, just re-read the thread and i think i understand what's going on - you obviously didn't realize that the colts (and other nfl teams) were supplied with practice uniforms manufactured by companies other than the one that supplied the game uniforms. as such the photo of manning sporting a champion practice jersey struck you as an oddity, as unusual. and that's why you thought the jersey was an old stock from 6 years earlier that the colts' equipment folks had dug up for manning.

not sure how this constitutes me splitting hairs.....

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I'd love to see images of other teams that supply practice jerseys in the manner that the Colts do...the teams I'm familiar with (not all, of course) used the same supplier for practice and game jerseys, even to go so far as to change tagging and sleeve logos on the practice jerseys to keep current with the game uniform supplier. I'd enjoy seeing other examples.

Dave Miedema

aeneas01
12-15-2010, 03:50 AM
I'd love to see images of other teams that supply practice jerseys in the manner that the Colts do...the teams I'm familiar with (not all, of course) used the same supplier for practice and game jerseys, even to go so far as to change tagging and sleeve logos on the practice jerseys to keep current with the game uniform supplier. I'd enjoy seeing other examples.

Dave Miedema

examples of teams sporting practice shirts that differ from their game shirts in terms of branding aren't difficult to find, not from the period we've been discussing (1998, manning's rookie year) - getty alone offers plenty of examples, some shown below. heck, we can start with my beloved rams:

1998 rams - russell practice jerseys, logo athletic game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199801.jpg

1999 rams - russell practice jerseys, puma game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199901.jpg

1998 raiders - champion and russell practice jerseys, nike game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199802.jpg

1998 seahawks - russell practice jerseys, logo athletic game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199805.jpg

1998 bills - champion practice jerseys, logo athletic game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199803.jpg

1998 ravens - russell practice jerseys, starter game jerseys:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/aeneas1/z199804.jpg

did teams also sport practice shirts with brands that matched their game shirts during this time as well? of course, no doubt. and it became more and more the norm leading up to the 2001 deal. but, again, teams did indeed sport practice shirts that differed in branding from their game shirts during this period - and it wasn't an oddity, wasn't uncommon, wasn't unusual... not as far as i can tell.

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solarlottry
12-15-2010, 09:49 AM
The 49ers recycled Wilson game worn shirts and used them as practice shirts for years. They wore Wilson prior to 1984 but from 1984 to 1989 wore Russell. During that time they wore both Wilson and Russell practice shirts. Even after the switch to Rebook and Adidas in the late 1990s they still wore some of the Wilson practice shirts. I will post images next week as I am on vacation and dont have access to my images. In fact even during the 2000 to 2005 seasons they wore a mishmash of various practice shirts. Even these were recycled from year to year. I have a Vernon Davis rookie practice shirt that was worn as practice shirt in 2002 by another player.

sox83cubs84
12-15-2010, 03:31 PM
Robert:

Impressive photo display...none of those teams were ones I had any practice jersey experience with.

I know of the practice of teams using old game jerseys as practice garb in the 1970s and 80s, so, in that regard, the mixing of manufacturers, I agree, wouldn't be that unusual.

Still, I'm sure that there are collectors of the practice jersey genre that would not have realized either what I pointed out regarding Manning, or what you added later. Bottom line: most of us (including yours truly) learned something, and that's one of the main functions that the Forum has.

Dave Miedema

aeneas01
12-15-2010, 05:59 PM
Still, I'm sure that there are collectors of the practice jersey genre that would not have realized... what I pointed out regarding Manning...

but what you pointed out to collectors about manning was incorrect dave - as such i'm not sure what it is you think collectors would not have realized if not for your post. contrary to what you believed, there was nothing odd or unusual about manning sporting a practice shirt that was branded differently than his game shirt. there was nothing odd or unusual about his teammates sporting practice shirts that varied from their game shirts. and there was nothing odd or unusual about other nfl teams that did the same.

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dcgreg25
12-15-2010, 07:13 PM
I think this thread has run its course....Dave pointed out something he thought to be a rare practice and Robert made his point that he disagreed with how rare this actually was. I am going to go ahead and lock the thread. If anyone has any new insight to add, feel free to email me and we can reopen the thread.