Chargers and Rawlings?

[Eric]

Hey everyone

I have a Chargers jersey which dates somewhere from 1969-1972. I was wondering if Rawlings manufactured on the field Chargers jerseys during this era.

Here is a crappy cell phone photo of the tagging
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Thanks
Eric

[both-teams-played-hard]

I had and have since sold a pair of game used Chargers pants with the same tagging. I am not sure about the jerseys. That Rawlings tagging is no older than 1971. Eric, can you post photos of the entire shirt?

[Eric]

Over on ebay there's a John Hadl Rawlings poster for sale. Does that suggest anything? Did players wear the company they endorsed for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/San-Diego-Chargers-John-Hadl-22x30-Rawlings-poster_W0QQitemZ150014062656QQihZ005QQcategoryZ252 12QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I'll get some pics of my jersey in the next couple of days
Eric

[EndzoneSports]

Hey everyone

I have a Chargers jersey which dates somewhere from 1969-1972. I was wondering if Rawlings manufactured on the field Chargers jerseys during this era.

Eric

Eric:

Per my records, the Chargers were wearing Sand-Knit in 1969, so you should be able to narrow the range somewhat based upon that.

Best Regards,

[Eric]

Hey everyone-

As promised, here are photos of the John Hadl jersey. Any insight would be appreciated.
Eric
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[Eric]

Can anyone tell if the jersey I pictured above is the same as the one in this late 1960s team issued photo on ebay

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http://cgi.ebay.com/late-1960s-JOHN-HADL-S-D-CHARGERS-T-I-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ170008274758QQihZ007QQcategoryZ5012 9QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[misteremu]

To me, looks like the sleeve cuffs on the actual jersey are much more narrow than the ones shown in the picture.

Eric

[Eric]

The bolts are also a bit different, so maybe it's not that year but hopefully it's one close to it.
E

[both-teams-played-hard]

Eric
We know from 1965 to 1970, the Chargers used at least 3 jersey makers (Spanjian, Russell and Sand Knit). This would lead one to believe that the Chargers "played the field" and "courted" every Sporting Goods supplier around. I owned a guaranteed 100% legit pair of early 70s Chargers pants with the same Rawlings tag. I am unsure about the jerseys.
Does your HADL show any wear consistent with a gamer?
...wear from shoulder pads from the INSIDE (piling, scuffs, etc.)Does it appear there is enough shoulder and underarm room for shoulder pads?
I have found photos on corbis with a photo that seems to match the Hadl NOB. The numeral fonts seem to match (although smaller) the Rawlings advertisement you posted. The sleeve cuffs on your shirt seem to small.

In my opinion, this is a classic example of a salesman's sample, especially since it is a star player that endorsed Rawlings. Remember my analysis is based on your posted images.
GOOD LUCK!

[Eric]

I am by no means an expert on this type of jersey, but in looking closely at it there seems to be wear in the shoulders. There is definitely a lot of fraying to the numbers.

The photos make it look a lot brighter/cleaner than it is. There is no sheen to it, like in the photos I posted.

Thanks for your help.

I bought it as "game used" from a source I trust fully, and if anyone else has thoughts on it, I'd welcome them.

Eric

[both-teams-played-hard]

I'm sure you saw these on corbis...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2656/hadlkd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2193/hadl2iw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Is that a gold tooth or was Hadl a smoker?

[Eric]

I am trying to pin down the years the Chargers could have worn Rawlings jerseys to see if this jersey is game worn or a salesman's sample.

An authenticator looked at this jersey and said the Chargers only used Rawlings jerseys in 1961 and 1962

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

Thanks
Eric

[FairMore Sports]

Eric, That style of Rawlings tag is from the early is from the early 70s (approx 1972 and onward). The late 60s Rawlings tags had a white vertical stripe on the right side with a large black size number in it.
Brad
FairMore Sports

[Eric]

Hey everyone

I am still looking for info on a John Hadl Chargers Jersey in my collection. I took new pics of it and was wondering if anyone had an opinion on the numbers on my jersey versus the numbers on the street and smith photo below. Any help would be appreciated. Every Chargers pic from the 68-72 era seems to have a different style number.
Thanks
Eric

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/HPIM2686.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/HPIM2685.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/HPIM2684.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/HPIM2683.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/HPIM2682.jpg

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[Eric]

this from beantown looks like a match to me

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[beantown]

Hadl pictures...

[G1X]

Eric,

In the various photos posted throughout this entire link, it's interesting to note that the last jag of the lightening bolt is on the "sleeve side" on some of Hadl's jerseys while being on the "body side" on others. Seems like the Chargers were consistent at being inconsistent.

Look closely at the bolts on your jersey and the ones in the photo in your post (#15) where you feel that it is a match. Your jersey bolts appear to be opposite of the bolts seen in the photo. The fifth photo in Beantown's post (#16) seems to have the same pattern as your bolts.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange

[Eric]

Great observation Mark, thanks.

[beantown]

Here are some photos of a Lance Alworth jersey from American Memorabilia several years back...with the buyers premium it went over $30k....