1964 NY Jets Helmet?

[princip]

Interesting story on this 1964 Jets helmet (http://cgi.ebay.com/1964-New-York-Jets-Game-Used-Helmet-AFL_W0QQitemZ220496628215QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item33569f89f7) currently on auction. Can anyone elaborate, confirm, or, deny? Only pic. I could find resembling this decal is an illustration at the mmbolding site:

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/principm/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.jpgfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/principm/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-4.jpghttp://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/AFLart16.jpg

[Vikingshelmetguy]

Looks like the website "Football Uniforms Past and Present" (http://www.weirdwolf.net/FFP/index.htm) also indicates that only in 1964 the Jets helmet logo was green on white (instead of the standard white on green).

http://www.weirdwolf.net/FFP/images/1960/NYJets64.gif

[Vikingshelmetguy]

Here is more confrirmation info of this green on white 1964 Jets logo that I found on another website, http://www.sportslogos.net/index.php
Here is the specific link: http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=152

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/152/thumbs/lxgsgmo1hhbn6c96e4ri8llla.gif (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/logo.php?id=lxgsgmo1hhbn6c96e4ri8llla)

[princip]

Thanks for these links VHG. Does anyone have images/photographs of the Jets circa 1964? Aeneas01?

[bobw]

Found these on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65516705@N00/sets/72157601669729756/

[Vikingshelmetguy]

I found a photo on Wire Image of Jets player, Dan Ficca (#61), who is apparently the player who wore this 1964 Jets helmet for sale on Ebay. The photo I found appears to be from the 1963 season, as Ficca's helmet in this photo has the logo of a silhouette of a green jet. But the key is that the facemask worn by Dan Ficca in this 1963 photo is completely consistent with the facemask on the 1964 Dan Ficca Jets helmet currently for sale on Ebay. I am now quite convinced that the 1964 Jets helmet for sale on Ebay is the real deal and probably extremely rare, and apparently other people agree as the bid price is already up to $464.01 with 4 days left to go in the auction.

http://web.wireimage.com/images/tnm/8167326.jpg

[helmets]

But the key is that the facemask worn by Dan Ficca in this 1963 photo is completely consistent with the facemask on the 1964 Dan Ficca Jets helmet currently for sale on Ebay. I am now quite convinced that the 1964 Jets helmet for sale on Ebay is the real deal

Yikes.

So that is the "key." All a person has to do is install a "consistent" facemask and you are convinced that it is the "real deal." I wish it were that easy.

I have a Browns suspension helmet with a two bar mask. It is consistent with what Jim Brown wore. I will make you are "real deal" on it...

[princip]

Thanks for the photos bobw and your educated guess VHG. Oh, and I wouldn't buy that Jim Brown helmet from helmets.

Can anyone explain why the decals look like they've been painted on, or, running?

[Vikingshelmetguy]

Yikes.

So that is the "key." All a person has to do is install a "consistent" facemask and you are convinced that it is the "real deal." I wish it were that easy.

I have a Browns suspension helmet with a two bar mask. It is consistent with what Jim Brown wore. I will make you are "real deal" on it...

Helmets, maybe you're right. Perhaps I have swallowed a hook, line and sinker in naively assuming that because there is consistency in the make of the facemask of the Jets helmet for sale on Ebay compared to the facemask displayed in one tiny and hard-to-see photo, that the Ebay Jets helmet is the "real deal". But let me clarify that I am making my assumption/educated guess based on, not just on the facemask type only, but rather on the collective sum of all the evidence presented in the auction listing: Very up front and exact details set forth in the auction description, with a story that seems relatively plausible; yes, the consistency of the facemask compared to a photo of the player identified, as well as the lack of any other drill holes in the helmet shell (which suggests that there was no other previous type of mask affixed to the helmet, and that the existing mask may be original); a rare "MacGregor" brand of helmet with old interior padding that is hard to find/replicate; the consistent size and placement of the helmet decal; and the seemingly legit-looking game wear showing helmet to helmet contact on the top part of the helmet, suggesting that a lineman wore the helmet. But, hey, I could really be wrong in my assumption too....

Helmets, out of curiosity, is there something about this Jets helmet for sale on Ebay that makes you believe or think that it is not legit, or that it may be a fake or a replica???? Do you think the Seller's story is BS? By the way, just to be clear, I do not know the seller (and I am not a Jets fan), and so I am not trying to be a shiller for the seller or the auction listing.

[helmets]

Thanks for clarifying for me the reasons for your "educated guess" with your last post VHG, however you did not state any of that with your previous post. It was simply stated that since the mask was consistent, that you were "quite convinced" that it is the real deal.

My post was with regards to your comment and not with the helmet and if it is the real deal or not.

[Vikingshelmetguy]

Thanks for clarifying for me the reasons for your "educated guess" with your last post VHG, however you did not state any of that with your previous post. It was simply stated that since the mask was consistent, that you were "quite convinced" that it is the real deal.

My post was with regards to your comment and not with the helmet and if it is the real deal or not.

Hi again Helmets,

You are correct. My original posting was incomplete in expressing all of the reasons why I feel this Jets helmet seems like the real deal.... :o

Helmets, what do you think about this Jets helmet overall? Again, I am not a Jets fan, but this helmet is interesting to me as seems kind of cool and rare due to the scarcity of its logo which apparently was used for only one season.....

[cohibasmoker]

Auction ended at $2709.99.

I was tracking the helmet in "My eBay" and as I was looking at the helmet, I glanced at the column that says "View Similar Items". It then occurred to me and I had a chuckle because I realized, there aren't "any similar items" like this one. That baby was one of a kind.

JIm

[princip]

WoW!!!

[gridman80]

I have the 1964 Jets highlights video and it appears in some game action scenes that Ficca is wearing this style helmet.....it stands out against the Riddells most every other player wore.....Ficca switched to Riddell late in the 1964 season or in 1965....I have his 1965 helmet....whoever bought this one got a deal as the only other 1964 I have seen in the last 20 years was mike Hudock's Riddell that went off at about $5K on a GFC auction.

[cohibasmoker]

I have the 1964 Jets highlights video and it appears in some game action scenes that Ficca is wearing this style helmet.....it stands out against the Riddells most every other player wore.....Ficca switched to Riddell late in the 1964 season or in 1965....I have his 1965 helmet....whoever bought this one got a deal as the only other 1964 I have seen in the last 20 years was mike Hudock's Riddell that went off at about $5K on a GFC auction.

Good for you - great pickup

[Vikingshelmetguy]

I have the 1964 Jets highlights video and it appears in some game action scenes that Ficca is wearing this style helmet.....it stands out against the Riddells most every other player wore.....Ficca switched to Riddell late in the 1964 season or in 1965....I have his 1965 helmet....whoever bought this one got a deal as the only other 1964 I have seen in the last 20 years was mike Hudock's Riddell that went off at about $5K on a GFC auction.

Hi Gridman80! I am really happy to see that you were able to relay your thoughts and comments about this 1964 Jets helmet. I was wondering if, perhaps, you might have been a bidder or the winner of this 1964 Jets helmet auction, as I recall from previous posts that you are the owner of a stunning collection of vintage game used Jets helmets (see photo attached, which I think is your collection). I am curious to know, did you end up placing any bids on this 1964 Ficca Jets helmet??? You have provided perhaps the most solid evidence yet of the scarcity of this 1964 Jets Ficca helmet. It just seemed to me to be ultra rare and ultra unique as it not only was a rare 1964 helmet with the green-on-white logo, but also a one-of-a-kind MacGregor brand (which you have now confirmed was perhaps worn only by Ficca, while other Jets players wore Riddell helmets). Just as I thought, this 1964 Jets helmet was/is highly unique and rare.

gridman80:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9242&stc=1&d=1196656794

[gridman80]

Yes I did bid...I think I wound up being the second underbidder. The price wound up a bit too rich for me...I do believe it is legit..the seller offered to get a letter from Joe Foss's daughter on the piece..I did some internet digging on the family history and the whole story about how she had the helmet hung together.....At then end of the day while this is a very rare piece when I think of the 1960's Jets I don't picture them in this style lid....Now if we could only find a 1963...I have never seen one....although I think Lou Lampson has Maynard's ....be well