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jobathenut
05-31-2009, 02:15 AM
I can't believe the leagues poster team the cleveland james,(i mean the cavaliers)did'nt make the finals.Well i bet the league and all the so called experts are upset as every one of them had it as the lakers vs cavaliers. And they were all getting ready to focus and promote the series as a kobe vs james final.Heck,the nba already had thier commercials out there featuring them.Which i hate when they do that,it's about the teams and not just one player.I mean its not a one on on game,then you could call it a kobe vs james game.Well in my opinion the refs sure tried thier best to get the cavaliers to the finals.Problem is,that team has to realize thier a team and not just one player.You can't run your offense through james as the turnovers showed.Not to mention,when you don't have a good,what i call "role" players around you,you are a one diminsional team,and the other team knows who you are going to on every play.The sign of greatness,is making the team around you better.Well anyway,this should be a interesting finals.I don't think the lakers have a ansewer for howard.The lakers don't really have a big man like that,i mean who do you put on him,bynum?.He gets way too many fouls,and i don't think he can defend him,but i think that is the only one they could put against him.And all the magic offense does is shoot threes,so as the saying goes,you live by the threes ,you die by the threes.So that's another key to the series i believe.What do the rest of you nba fans think will happen in the finals? with all being considered,i'm going with the lakers in 6 games.But i just have to say i really hate the 2-3-2 format,that really takes the so called home court advantage to the team that;'s suppose to have it.To me,the team with the 3 is the team with the advantage.I think the lakers can win one the game on the road and bring it home to win the championship:)

joelsabi
05-31-2009, 05:05 AM
I can't believe the leagues poster team the cleveland james,(i mean the cavaliers)did'nt make the finals.Well i bet the league and all the so called experts are upset as every one of them had it as the lakers vs cavaliers. And they were all getting ready to focus and promote the series as a kobe vs james final.Heck,the nba already had thier commercials out there featuring them.Which i hate when they do that,it's about the teams and not just one player.I mean its not a one on on game,then you could call it a kobe vs james game.Well in my opinion the refs sure tried thier best to get the cavaliers to the finals.Problem is,that team has to realize thier a team and not just one player.You can't run your offense through james as the turnovers showed.Not to mention,when you don't have a good,what i call "role" players around you,you are a one diminsional team,and the other team knows who you are going to on every play.The sign of greatness,is making the team around you better.Well anyway,this should be a interesting finals.I don't think the lakers have a ansewer for howard.The lakers don't really have a big man like that,i mean who do you put on him,bynum?.He gets way too many fouls,and i don't think he can defend him,but i think that is the only one they could put against him.And all the magic offense does is shoot threes,so as the saying goes,you live by the threes ,you die by the threes.So that's another key to the series i believe.What do the rest of you nba fans think will happen in the finals? with all being considered,i'm going with the lakers in 6 games.But i just have to say i really hate the 2-3-2 format,that really takes the so called home court advantage to the team that;'s suppose to have it.To me,the team with the 3 is the team with the advantage.I think the lakers can win one the game on the road and bring it home to win the championship:)

the weird part about the 2-3-2 format is that the pivotal game (game 5) will be in orlando which is a lower seed than los angeles. does that make sense? no.

i dont see orlando to be as physical as houston or denver were against the lakers. that bodes well for the lakers. should be some high scoring games with both team taking their share of treys. perimeter defense of ariza and odom on rashard and turkoglu will be better matchup for the lakers than it was for the cavaliers.

will be interesting to see how bynum is used or not used. he definitely is only 80% back. still, you gotta put that big body on howard to at least let howard earn his points and work at both ends of the court. besides, howard is a terrible free throw shooter. phil should tell bynum to hack away. :D

does howard have a killer instinct whenever orlando takes a double digit lead at home? that should be the story in this series. we all know kobe is money in the fourth quarter in any close game. lakers in 6.

jobathenut
05-31-2009, 05:21 AM
joelsabi-Nice insight.And that's what i was saying about that the 2-3-2 format actaully makes the road team to start the series the team with the home court advantage.I just don't see bynum being able to guard howard that good.And doing a hack-a-shaq thing to howard aint going to do any good.Look how good that defense worked when teams did that to shaq when he was with the lakers-3 rings.The howard factor to me is the one thing i would be concerned about for the lakers winning this series.If they shut down howard they win,but if howard takes over,then the magic will win or it will be a long 6 or 7 game finals.They say defense wins championships,so that's why i say that if they shut him down the lakers will win.But of course it could just come down to high scoring games,with little defense.It will be interesting how it will play out for sure.And its funny to think of the league and network scrapping all the james highlites/stories they had all set to go and now having to come up with howard highlites/stories.:)

mr.miracle
05-31-2009, 10:57 AM
joelsabi-Nice insight.And that's what i was saying about that the 2-3-2 format actaully makes the road team to start the series the team with the home court advantage.I just don't see bynum being able to guard howard that good.And doing a hack-a-shaq thing to howard aint going to do any good.Look how good that defense worked when teams did that to shaq when he was with the lakers-3 rings.The howard factor to me is the one thing i would be concerned about for the lakers winning this series.If they shut down howard they win,but if howard takes over,then the magic will win or it will be a long 6 or 7 game finals.They say defense wins championships,so that's why i say that if they shut him down the lakers will win.But of course it could just come down to high scoring games,with little defense.It will be interesting how it will play out for sure.And its funny to think of the league and network scrapping all the james highlites/stories they had all set to go and now having to come up with howard highlites/stories.:)


Its funny, I am not necessarily so opposed to the 232 format and if anything I look at it this way. Assuming that the team with the best record is able to take care of business at home and win one on the road, they have the final two games on their own court to close it out. Since the NBA went to that format 20 plus years ago, only the Pistons in 04 and the Heat in 07 were able to win all three of those games on their own home court I believe. Since in most cases the teams have to criss-cross the country that format seems to make a bit of sense anyway.

Howard is going to get his in these playoffs but I agree, Odom and Ariza can stick with both Turkoglu and Lewis and the Lakers obviously have a huge advantage at the 2 guard. Lets put it this way, the Cavs were absolutely killed inside in the last series. I don't see that coming close to happening. Big Z looked horrible against Howard and Big Ben is a shell of his former self. Nobody else could slow Howard down at all. The Lakers are going to have to close out the 3 point shooters as you just cannot let these guys keep firing away from outside. I say Lakers in 6 as well.

sox83cubs84
05-31-2009, 02:48 PM
While I respect him as a coach and NBA legend, Red Auerbach's constant belittling and sniping regarding Phil Jackson's 9 NBA championships (both share the record currently at 9) bugged me to no end. I'd be very happy if the Zen Master triangled his way to his 10th and wiped Red's name out of the record books in that category

Dave M.
Chicago area

cigarman44
05-31-2009, 06:13 PM
Im taking Orlando in 6 against LA. People who thought the Cavs would run through the Magic were crazy. The Magic had beat them like 11 out of 13 times the last two years. They were the only team that gave them match up problems. If Boston would have won the series versus the Magic I think the Cavs would have beat them in 5 games.

cordovacollector
05-31-2009, 06:21 PM
I say Magic in 7. :D The difference maker being Kobe. Scientific reason: I can't stand him. :mad:

mr.miracle
05-31-2009, 07:37 PM
OHhhh boy, here we go, so I have to ask, does everyone who is picking the Magic pick them because they really think that they are a better team than the Lakers and will win the series or because they just hate the Lakers and are hoping against all hope that somebody, anybody will beat the Lakers?

I don't see it at all, there is just no way after last seasons debacle that Kobe will be denied. I think the Lakers would have beaten anybody representing the East and for all the nut jobs who are saying the Lakers are happy they are avoiding the Cavs, I say it makes no difference, the Cavs, Magic, Celtics it does not matter they are the best team in the NBA when motivated.

I am so confident that the Lakers will win this series that I would bet a game used Ripken bat against an item of somewhat similar value that the Lakers will win this series. Provided everyone stays healthy and no injuries occur I just don't see this going past six games if it even reaches six games. Kobe is on a mission and this year just won't be denied.

cordovacollector
05-31-2009, 08:10 PM
I'll take that bet! A game-used Cordova bat vs your Ripken bat. Well, OK, I do understand it was to be of same value .... :( OK, I'll throw in my Ripken 2997th hit dugout lineup card and not embarrass your collection with my Cordova bat. :rolleyes:

jobathenut
05-31-2009, 11:24 PM
A little confused here by your post.So you say kobe is going to be the difference maker in this finals.But you are taking the magic in 7.So are you saying that kobe will stink it up in the finals?
I say Magic in 7. :D The difference maker being Kobe. Scientific reason: I can't stand him. :mad:

jobathenut
05-31-2009, 11:35 PM
Mr.miracle-I am your biggest fan right now.YEAH-NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.ALOT OF PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE A TRUE FAN,THIS IS BEING A TRUE FAN.Putting your money where your mouth is.Miracle, just does'nt talk the talk,miracle is walking it!!!! .I totally agree with you.Man,I can't say just how much respect for you i have.:)
OHhhh boy, here we go, so I have to ask, does everyone who is picking the Magic pick them because they really think that they are a better team than the Lakers and will win the series or because they just hate the Lakers and are hoping against all hope that somebody, anybody will beat the Lakers?

I don't see it at all, there is just no way after last seasons debacle that Kobe will be denied. I think the Lakers would have beaten anybody representing the East and for all the nut jobs who are saying the Lakers are happy they are avoiding the Cavs, I say it makes no difference, the Cavs, Magic, Celtics it does not matter they are the best team in the NBA when motivated.

I am so confident that the Lakers will win this series that I would bet a game used Ripken bat against an item of somewhat similar value that the Lakers will win this series. Provided everyone stays healthy and no injuries occur I just don't see this going past six games if it even reaches six games. Kobe is on a mission and this year just won't be denied.

cordovacollector
06-01-2009, 12:23 AM
A little confused here by your post. So you say kobe is going to be the difference maker in this finals. But you are taking the magic in 7. So are you saying that kobe will stink it up in the finals?

You got it!!! Kobe will be the difference ... resulting in the Lakers losing. Kinda like a Yankees' Knoblauch.

sportscentury
06-01-2009, 12:47 AM
You got it!!! Kobe will be the difference ... resulting in the Lakers losing. Kinda like a Yankees' Knoblauch.

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jobathenut
06-01-2009, 02:04 AM
I'm sorry,what world series did knoblauch cost the yankees?
You got it!!! Kobe will be the difference ... resulting in the Lakers losing. Kinda like a Yankees' Knoblauch.

David
06-01-2009, 02:33 AM
I learned not to bet against the team you sentimentally want to win. It creates a conflict that makes the games/series less enjoyable.

cordovacollector
06-01-2009, 09:45 AM
I'm sorry,what world series did knoblauch cost the yankees?

I may have my years wrong but when Knobby got the Yips and couldn't make throws from 2nd to first, or when he let a fair ball run free and stood there arguing with the ump like a T-Baller instead of chasing down the fair ball. Not to mention he nearly killed Don Zimmer ... but that could have been anyone ... and it did lead to the funniest photo of the year the next day with Zimmie in the dugout with his WWII helmet on. Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Jus' sayin' it could happen to Kobe. Couldn't happen to a more deserving ....

Really guys, I do apologize if I have stepped on toes. I like the Lakers and always have because of the MN connection. But Kobe I have no time for.

mr.miracle
06-01-2009, 10:21 AM
Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. What I find to be hilarious at times is the general level of hatred directed toward the Lakers. I guess sucess breeds contempt as the old saying goes. Making their 30th appearance in the finals, I can understand that people want to see someone else. That being said, from a purely entertaining perspective, can anyone outside of San Antonio really say that they would rather see the Spurs in the finals. They are efficient but BORING to watch.

I guess it is like the Celtics in the playoffs. As a Lakers fan of course I hate the Celtics but at some point I try to be objective although I must admit I was completely shocked by last years finals results.

To give an example, I have been monitoring several chat boards throughout the playoffs and the same people keep coming on there every single series starting with the Lakers Jazz and saying Lakers will lose, and on and on it goes. Obviously, those people just don't like the Lakers and cannot be objective in any capacity and are hoping that anybody takes them down. If these people speaking from a completely objective standpoint then they don't know a thing about basketball.

Anyway, this should be a very good series but the sudden influx of new Orlando fans is getting old. I cannot tell you how many people are coming up with just ridiculous statements like the Magic have a much more dominant front line and will crush the Lakers. (Take away Howard and what about their front line is in any way intimidating). I have even read people saying that this Magic starting five is better than the Celtics starting five of last year. Come on, again I hate the Celtics but they have three HOF players in their starting lineup the Magic have none. Howard may be there someday but is not even close yet. People are just not being reasonable but that is sports.

sox83cubs84
06-01-2009, 10:49 AM
I learned not to bet against the team you sentimentally want to win. It creates a conflict that makes the games/series less enjoyable.

I'll go one step further, David. Call it karma, bad luck, or whatever, but when I used to make bets on sports (fun bets with friends and family, not Vegas action), I not only used to bet with my heart instead of my brains, but every beloved team I supported in a bet LOST. It happened in 1984 and 1989 with the Cubs, it happened with several Bears games (not SBXX, thank God), and the last straw was the 1996 World Series. My wife, who loves the Yankees but knows nothing about the game itself, bet me on the winner of the 1996 WS...this AFTER the Braves won the first 2 games! I take the bet ($10), and what happens? Yanks win 4 straight and the Series:mad: . The only redeeming feature was that I was so bummed out by that set of circumstances that my wife let me off the hook for the $10:cool: . Since then I have never placed a sports-related bet on any team or any league.

Fast-forward to 2008: an autograph collecting friend in Nevada goes into a casino and places a wager on the Cubs winning the NL pennant, dropping $5, and giving me the ticket as a gift. Of course, we all know what happened to the Cubs in the NLDS. Even when someone else places the bet with their money, the Miedema curse STILL lives on.:eek:

Dave M.
Chicago area

cordovacollector
06-01-2009, 10:56 AM
Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Ahhhh, I stand corrected. Shoulda got my facts straight first. Sorry! It didn't cost them the playoffs or the WS and it wasn't Boston, it was Cleveland.

In the postseason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_American_League_Championship_Series) against the Cleveland Indians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Indians), Knoblauch committed a serious blunder, arguing with an umpire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_(baseball)) as play continued. Instead of chasing down the ball that was in play, Knoblauch argued with the umpire as Enrique Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Wilson) scored from first base, giving Cleveland a 2-1 lead in the 12th inning. The Indians would go on to win the game 4-1. A New York newspaper called him "Blauch-head."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#cite_note-2) However, Knoblauch recovered and was an important factor in the World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_World_Series) victory over the San Diego Padres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Padres). The Yankees won the American League pennant every year he was with the team, winning three World Series championships....

Toward the end of his career, Knoblauch's performance at the plate also grew worse, with many observers believing he was preoccupied by his fielding troubles and trying too hard to hit home runs. Knoblauch was benched in the final game of the 2001 World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_World_Series) (he hit just .056)....

Once considered one of the game's best fielders (in fact, ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN) personalities nicknamed him "Fundamentally Sound" Chuck Knoblauch), Knoblauch's play deteriorated shortly into his Yankee career. In 1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_in_baseball) he began to have difficulty making accurate throws to first base, a condition sometimes referred to in baseball as "the yips" or "Steve Blass Disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Blass)". By 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_in_baseball), the problem had grown serious enough that he began seeing more playing time as a designated hitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter).
Knoblauch tried various solutions to his problem, but his throwing would not improve. He made an unprecedented number of throwing errors, routinely making abnormal throws out of the reach of the first baseman. (During one game, an errant throw sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann)'s mother in the face.)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#cite_note-3) Stumping commentators, fans, and himself, Knoblauch never fully recovered his throwing accuracy. He was reassigned to left field by manager Joe Torre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Torre), never to return to his old position.
Sorry for taking the thread so far off topic. I do like the Lakers but it is my not-so-humble opinion that I think Kobe might "Chuck" it. Go Magic!

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 06:31 PM
Oh,you're talking about the season where knoblauch's dad passed away and he was dealing with that and he affected his play on the field.And no it did'nt cost the yankkes a playoff or world series.Man i really hate haters:mad:
I may have my years wrong but when Knobby got the Yips and couldn't make throws from 2nd to first, or when he let a fair ball run free and stood there arguing with the ump like a T-Baller instead of chasing down the fair ball. Not to mention he nearly killed Don Zimmer ... but that could have been anyone ... and it did lead to the funniest photo of the year the next day with Zimmie in the dugout with his WWII helmet on. Didn't that cost the Yanks that playoff series with Boston?

Jus' sayin' it could happen to Kobe. Couldn't happen to a more deserving ....

Really guys, I do apologize if I have stepped on toes. I like the Lakers and always have because of the MN connection. But Kobe I have no time for.

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 06:40 PM
Again miracle-BRAVO-My biggest pet peeve is haters,that just hate for no reason.I mean there are players and teams i don't like ,but i don't disrespect them or "hate" them with nicknames etc.I can't stand when like i'm at a timber wolves game vs the lakers in minnesota and they boo kobe,and i'm like,"you're booing a hall of famer.You can not like someone and still have some class.I guess you can put the lakers with the yankees,when you're that good,people hate a winner.Which is funny,saying the lakers havent won since 2003 and the yankees 2000.But yet i still hear people say when im at twins game vs the yankees in minnesota,"yeah,but you guys buy championships".And i tell them,can they get a refund cause they havent won in years.To me come with some stats or something if you say kobe isnt that good.Or at leats like you say,have some reasonable tought into your arguments and why you don't like someone.:)
Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. What I find to be hilarious at times is the general level of hatred directed toward the Lakers. I guess sucess breeds contempt as the old saying goes. Making their 30th appearance in the finals, I can understand that people want to see someone else. That being said, from a purely entertaining perspective, can anyone outside of San Antonio really say that they would rather see the Spurs in the finals. They are efficient but BORING to watch.

I guess it is like the Celtics in the playoffs. As a Lakers fan of course I hate the Celtics but at some point I try to be objective although I must admit I was completely shocked by last years finals results.

To give an example, I have been monitoring several chat boards throughout the playoffs and the same people keep coming on there every single series starting with the Lakers Jazz and saying Lakers will lose, and on and on it goes. Obviously, those people just don't like the Lakers and cannot be objective in any capacity and are hoping that anybody takes them down. If these people speaking from a completely objective standpoint then they don't know a thing about basketball.

Anyway, this should be a very good series but the sudden influx of new Orlando fans is getting old. I cannot tell you how many people are coming up with just ridiculous statements like the Magic have a much more dominant front line and will crush the Lakers. (Take away Howard and what about their front line is in any way intimidating). I have even read people saying that this Magic starting five is better than the Celtics starting five of last year. Come on, again I hate the Celtics but they have three HOF players in their starting lineup the Magic have none. Howard may be there someday but is not even close yet. People are just not being reasonable but that is sports.

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 06:46 PM
Yeah,so knobluach cost them maybe this game,you said series.Take the hater glasses off.That year the yankees won the world series,and what do you know ,they did it even though knoblauch was on the team.But of course you're not going to give him any credit for that,Haters don't do that.You minnesota fans really need to get off knoblauch,and build a bridge and get over it.:)
Ahhhh, I stand corrected. Shoulda got my facts straight first. Sorry! It didn't cost them the playoffs or the WS and it wasn't Boston, it was Cleveland.
In the postseason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_American_League_Championship_Series) against the Cleveland Indians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Indians), Knoblauch committed a serious blunder, arguing with an umpire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_(baseball)) as play continued. Instead of chasing down the ball that was in play, Knoblauch argued with the umpire as Enrique Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Wilson) scored from first base, giving Cleveland a 2-1 lead in the 12th inning. The Indians would go on to win the game 4-1. A New York newspaper called him "Blauch-head."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#cite_note-2) However, Knoblauch recovered and was an important factor in the World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_World_Series) victory over the San Diego Padres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Padres). The Yankees won the American League pennant every year he was with the team, winning three World Series championships....



Toward the end of his career, Knoblauch's performance at the plate also grew worse, with many observers believing he was preoccupied by his fielding troubles and trying too hard to hit home runs. Knoblauch was benched in the final game of the 2001 World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_World_Series) (he hit just .056)....



Once considered one of the game's best fielders (in fact, ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN) personalities nicknamed him "Fundamentally Sound" Chuck Knoblauch), Knoblauch's play deteriorated shortly into his Yankee career. In 1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_in_baseball) he began to have difficulty making accurate throws to first base, a condition sometimes referred to in baseball as "the yips" or "Steve Blass Disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Blass)". By 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_in_baseball), the problem had grown serious enough that he began seeing more playing time as a designated hitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter).


Knoblauch tried various solutions to his problem, but his throwing would not improve. He made an unprecedented number of throwing errors, routinely making abnormal throws out of the reach of the first baseman. (During one game, an errant throw sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann)'s mother in the face.)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#cite_note-3) Stumping commentators, fans, and himself, Knoblauch never fully recovered his throwing accuracy. He was reassigned to left field by manager Joe Torre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Torre), never to return to his old position.
Sorry for taking the thread so far off topic. I do like the Lakers but it is my not-so-humble opinion that I think Kobe might "Chuck" it. Go Magic!

cordovacollector
06-01-2009, 06:49 PM
Or at leats like you say,have some reasonable tought into your arguments and why you don't like someone.

Well, if that's all you need. I don't like "players" that beat women.

cordovacollector
06-01-2009, 06:58 PM
Oh,you're talking about the season where knoblauch's dad passed away and he was dealing with that and he affected his play on the field.

Not quite. Ray passed away in March of 2002.

both-teams-played-hard
06-01-2009, 07:27 PM
My biggest pet peeve is haters,that just hate for no reason.

Kobe said he might as well play college basketball if he had to play in a place like Charlotte, NC. Charlotte traded away his rights instead of losing a draft pick.

Kobe cheated on his wife and child.

Kobe "almost" raped that woman in Denver.

Kobe threw Shaq under the bus and ratted him out.

Kobe is better than you.

Kobe, how my ash taste?

Kobe punched his teammateSamaki Walker over $500.

Who in the NBA respects Kobe Bryant?

I hate Kobe.

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sportscentury
06-01-2009, 07:33 PM
What in the world does this have to do with Chuck Knoblauch? Or even the Lakers' chances in the finals for that matter? Another otherwise good thread down the drain.

Mr.3000
06-01-2009, 07:36 PM
I don't typically say I "hate" anyone. Hate is a pretty strong feeling.


I will say however, that I can't stand Kobe. I place him right up there with Iverson, Rasheed and Sprewell....my listed of NBA players I can't stand. Carmelo is very close to making that list as well.


I dislike them for a multitude of reason...mostly their attitudes and how they conduct themselves. Do I have any say in how they act? Nope, nor do I want any say. But I can choose whether or not to "like" them...follow their careers or whether or not to purchase any merchandise depicting their likeness'.

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 09:03 PM
sportscentury-yeah,i agree with you.I started this thread as i thought we all could just talk about all the games of the finals on just one thread.I apologize as i took the bait and went off topic with posters like cordova,who was ripping on knoblach.I just hate haters and had to say something about it.:o
What in the world does this have to do with Chuck Knoblauch? Or even the Lakers' chances in the finals for that matter? Another otherwise good thread down the drain.

mr.miracle
06-01-2009, 09:12 PM
I am reading late last night and today that the Magic are seriously evaluating whether or not Jameer Nelson can go. Previously he had been listed as out for the season in February with a serious shoulder injury. This could be huge one way or the other as there was previously no indication that Nelson would even possibly be able to play in these playoffs. Nelson lit up the Lakers the last three times they played and being a small fast guard would give the Lakers fits. This could possibly be a major change on the dynamic of this series if in fact Nelson can go and contribute in a meaningful way.

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 09:21 PM
Miracle-I'm not familier with him.I did see that though.But how much good would he do coming off that injury.I think thta's what it would be all about.It's one thing to be able to come back to play.But the real question is how he will come back,and if his play will be the same it was before he left with that injury.Who would the lakers put on him?:)
I am reading late last night and today that the Magic are seriously evaluating whether or not Jameer Nelson can go. Previously he had been listed as out for the season in February with a serious shoulder injury. This could be huge one way or the other as there was previously no indication that Nelson would even possibly be able to play in these playoffs. Nelson lit up the Lakers the last three times they played and being a small fast guard would give the Lakers fits. This could possibly be a major change on the dynamic of this series if in fact Nelson can go and contribute in a meaningful way.

mr.miracle
06-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Miracle-I'm not familier with him.I did see that though.But how much good would he do coming off that injury.I think thta's what it would be all about.It's one thing to be able to come back to play.But the real question is how he will come back,and if his play will be the same it was before he left with that injury.Who would the lakers put on him?:)


After being out four months no matter what kind of shape he stayed in, there is no way that any player is in legit basketball shape. There is obviously going to be some major rust and conditioning issues. I am guessing that you might see Farmar guard him more often than not as Shannon Brown might be too big at 6'4 and Fisher cannot keep up with fast little guards anymore. Most likely he would play some spot minutes to see what if anything he could do. The question is, do you take a roster spot away from another player and hope that this guy can make some measure of a contribution?

Bynum is really going to have to step up in this series. He is the only guy that has a chance of slowing down Howard in any capacity if the Lakers decide to play the Magic straight up and don't double which I don't believe that they can afford to do. They cannot give open 3's and hope that the Magic miss. If Bynum cannot step up, they are going to have a major problem unless they dust Mbenga off and actually put him in to bang on Howard but you would lose some major offense or at least the potential for offense.

What I am hoping is that the last three series playing against bangers in Denver, Houston and Utah has hardened up the Lakers and they take the game right at Howard. They need to try to get him in foul trouble instead of settling for outside jumpers and finesse play. This should be very interesting.

jobathenut
06-01-2009, 10:36 PM
This what i'm talking about,a actual discussion.No name calling,personal attacks,no playground behavior.Just talking about players as players.I am very excited for this series.I hate they wait so long to start it.And i don't understand why the first game is on thursday but game 2 is on sunday,seriously,they need a 2 day break in between games,with both of them in los angeles,i don't understand that.Hockey had back to back games in thier stanley cup,and to me that game is more physical draining than basketball.With what you said,i again agree with you.I don't think fish can guard fast young players,in fact i think he retires if they win this.And i've said since the magic won,that bynum guarding howard is the key to the lakers winning this.I don't think you let the magic shoot open 3's.I think you still guard them but force them to play a inside game and see if howard can face the pressure of the finals.But you could always let them take open 3's and that way they don't go into howard then.It will be interesting how this plays out.And i don't know like you said it is,to take a roster spot for a unproven injured player.To me if you're the magic,you just had one of the biggest iupsets ever,stay with the team that got you there.:)
After being out four months no matter what kind of shape he stayed in, there is no way that any player is in legit basketball shape. There is obviously going to be some major rust and conditioning issues. I am guessing that you might see Farmar guard him more often than not as Shannon Brown might be too big at 6'4 and Fisher cannot keep up with fast little guards anymore. Most likely he would play some spot minutes to see what if anything he could do. The question is, do you take a roster spot away from another player and hope that this guy can make some measure of a contribution?

Bynum is really going to have to step up in this series. He is the only guy that has a chance of slowing down Howard in any capacity if the Lakers decide to play the Magic straight up and don't double which I don't believe that they can afford to do. They cannot give open 3's and hope that the Magic miss. If Bynum cannot step up, they are going to have a major problem unless they dust Mbenga off and actually put him in to bang on Howard but you would lose some major offense or at least the potential for offense.

What I am hoping is that the last three series playing against bangers in Denver, Houston and Utah has hardened up the Lakers and they take the game right at Howard. They need to try to get him in foul trouble instead of settling for outside jumpers and finesse play. This should be very interesting.

sportscentury
06-02-2009, 07:44 AM
The Jameer Nelson issue is interesting. He's an All Star point guard who played superbly for the Magic during the first half of the season until he went down (as an aside, it would have been nice to see the old St. Joe's teammates Nelson/West go at it a bit in the last series). With the Magic having to hear so many analysts pick the Lakers, they may be feeling pressure to make a change. I would caution against this move. The Magic are not broken. Skip to My Lou has been terrific for them (this guy is the "back-up" point guard??) and they have great chemistry with them (just ask the Sixers, Celts, and Cavs ... but don't ask LeBron). If Nelson comes off of the bench to give Alston a few minutes of rest here and there, that is one thing. But this is Alston's team to bring down the court now. I would take the Lakers in 6, as I've stated. But the Magic have a shot. If they beat the Lakers, this will certainly not be the biggest upset ever. They are a heck of a team, and Alston has a lot to do with it. With Nelson going down, that could have been the end of their hope to go deep into the playoffs... and there really wasn't even a blip on the screen. I'm surprised that the analysts and commentators haven't pointed this out as much. They sure did talk a lot about the absences of KG and McGrady. I realize that Nelson is not in the same league, but he was the Magic's All Star 1 this year ... not exactly a guy you would think the team could do without.

yankees24
06-02-2009, 07:46 AM
does anyone know when the Finals game worn jerseys will be auctioned off?

Master Shake
06-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Ok, I feel the need to chime in here. I live in Orlando and have watched every Magic game this season as well as attended a couple. People haven't been given the Magic credit where credit is due. Everyone said they'd fall to Boston and Cleveland but won both of those series. However, I do think this series with the Lakers will be a more difficult task at hand. The reason the Magic beat the Cavs in 6 games (really should have been a sweep if LeBron didn't hit that shot in game 2) is because the Magic gave the Cavs so many match up problems. I don't think you'll see that as much in the Lakers series. You won't have a 6'3" Delonte West matched up with a 6'10" Rashard Lewis on a switch. Another reason the Magic beat the Cavs is because they got much more support from their bench than the Cavs did. Hell, there was a stat in game 6 that said Mikael Pietrus outscored the Cavs bench 71-62 by himself. I believe the Lakers bench should do a better job than the Cavs did. Now, what the Lakers do have to address is whether or not to double team Howard or not. If they choose not to double team him, you possibly set Howard up to have a monster night. But, if they do choose to double team him, they set up wide open 3-pointers for his teammates. Lewis, Turkoglu, Lee/Pietrus, and Nelson/Alston/Johnson can all hit the 3 ball. Kobe is going to be defended by both Lee and Pietrus. People don't give these two the credit they deserve. They are both excellent defenders. I cannot praise Courtney Lee enough. He's a rookie but he's played like a veteran. The key factor is going to be whether or not Jameer Nelson will play or not. I'm 50/50 about this move. For one, he's been out for months and even though he's been working out with the team, it's not the same situation as a game, especially the environment of the finals. However, if he can return the same as before he got hurt, he would be a huge addition. Don't forget that he shot over 50% from the field and over 40% from the 3-point line this season. Its amazing when a guard can shoot over 50% from the field. Not to mention, he torched the Lakers in the 2 games this season (27.5 PPG). I do like him better than Alston but Alston has done a pretty good job as his replacement. The only thing Alston doesn't have that Jammer does is his chemistry with Howard. Nelson gives Dwight a lot of easy dunks where as Alston hasn't really done that too much for Dwight. Turkoglu is the only other one who does that for him. I guess its chemistry.

Sorry for the long read guys. In case you haven't guessed it by now, I have the Magic in 6 games. I feel as long as they win one of the first 2 in L.A. they have a good chance of closing it out. In any event, it'll be a good series! :D

joelsabi
06-02-2009, 06:22 PM
Ok, I feel the need to chime in here. I live in Orlando and have watched every Magic game this season as well as attended a couple. People haven't been given the Magic credit where credit is due. Everyone said they'd fall to Boston and Cleveland but won both of those series. However, I do think this series with the Lakers will be a more difficult task at hand. The reason the Magic beat the Cavs in 6 games (really should have been a sweep if LeBron didn't hit that shot in game 2) is because the Magic gave the Cavs so many match up problems. I don't think you'll see that as much in the Lakers series. You won't have a 6'3" Delonte West matched up with a 6'10" Rashard Lewis on a switch. Another reason the Magic beat the Cavs is because they got much more support from their bench than the Cavs did. Hell, there was a stat in game 6 that said Mikael Pietrus outscored the Cavs bench 71-62 by himself. I believe the Lakers bench should do a better job than the Cavs did. Now, what the Lakers do have to address is whether or not to double team Howard or not. If they choose not to double team him, you possibly set Howard up to have a monster night. But, if they do choose to double team him, they set up wide open 3-pointers for his teammates. Lewis, Turkoglu, Lee/Pietrus, and Nelson/Alston/Johnson can all hit the 3 ball. Kobe is going to be defended by both Lee and Pietrus. People don't give these two the credit they deserve. They are both excellent defenders. I cannot praise Courtney Lee enough. He's a rookie but he's played like a veteran. The key factor is going to be whether or not Jameer Nelson will play or not. I'm 50/50 about this move. For one, he's been out for months and even though he's been working out with the team, it's not the same situation as a game, especially the environment of the finals. However, if he can return the same as before he got hurt, he would be a huge addition. Don't forget that he shot over 50% from the field and over 40% from the 3-point line this season. Its amazing when a guard can shoot over 50% from the field. Not to mention, he torched the Lakers in the 2 games this season (27.5 PPG). I do like him better than Alston but Alston has done a pretty good job as his replacement. The only thing Alston doesn't have that Jammer does is his chemistry with Howard. Nelson gives Dwight a lot of easy dunks where as Alston hasn't really done that too much for Dwight. Turkoglu is the only other one who does that for him. I guess its chemistry.

Sorry for the long read guys. In case you haven't guessed it by now, I have the Magic in 6 games. I feel as long as they win one of the first 2 in L.A. they have a good chance of closing it out. In any event, it'll be a good series! :D

one thing i do agree with is that Courtney Lee can ball. But to choose the Magics in 6 on the hunch that Jammer will be ready to play is a huge stretch. Jammer is going to be too rusty to be at 100%. I remember Jammer ballin the Lakers over the first month of the season but it total different mindset in the finals. Look at Bynum and how rusty he is. The one thing that Jammer nor Alston have is the finals experience that Cassell gave the Celtics last year. Who has any finals experience on the Magics?

mr.miracle
06-02-2009, 07:54 PM
Ok, I feel the need to chime in here. I live in Orlando and have watched every Magic game this season as well as attended a couple. People haven't been given the Magic credit where credit is due. Everyone said they'd fall to Boston and Cleveland but won both of those series. However, I do think this series with the Lakers will be a more difficult task at hand. The reason the Magic beat the Cavs in 6 games (really should have been a sweep if LeBron didn't hit that shot in game 2) is because the Magic gave the Cavs so many match up problems. I don't think you'll see that as much in the Lakers series. You won't have a 6'3" Delonte West matched up with a 6'10" Rashard Lewis on a switch. Another reason the Magic beat the Cavs is because they got much more support from their bench than the Cavs did. Hell, there was a stat in game 6 that said Mikael Pietrus outscored the Cavs bench 71-62 by himself. I believe the Lakers bench should do a better job than the Cavs did. Now, what the Lakers do have to address is whether or not to double team Howard or not. If they choose not to double team him, you possibly set Howard up to have a monster night. But, if they do choose to double team him, they set up wide open 3-pointers for his teammates. Lewis, Turkoglu, Lee/Pietrus, and Nelson/Alston/Johnson can all hit the 3 ball. Kobe is going to be defended by both Lee and Pietrus. People don't give these two the credit they deserve. They are both excellent defenders. I cannot praise Courtney Lee enough. He's a rookie but he's played like a veteran. The key factor is going to be whether or not Jameer Nelson will play or not. I'm 50/50 about this move. For one, he's been out for months and even though he's been working out with the team, it's not the same situation as a game, especially the environment of the finals. However, if he can return the same as before he got hurt, he would be a huge addition. Don't forget that he shot over 50% from the field and over 40% from the 3-point line this season. Its amazing when a guard can shoot over 50% from the field. Not to mention, he torched the Lakers in the 2 games this season (27.5 PPG). I do like him better than Alston but Alston has done a pretty good job as his replacement. The only thing Alston doesn't have that Jammer does is his chemistry with Howard. Nelson gives Dwight a lot of easy dunks where as Alston hasn't really done that too much for Dwight. Turkoglu is the only other one who does that for him. I guess its chemistry.

Sorry for the long read guys. In case you haven't guessed it by now, I have the Magic in 6 games. I feel as long as they win one of the first 2 in L.A. they have a good chance of closing it out. In any event, it'll be a good series! :D


A couple of items here, I would personally take the chance that Howard would put up a monster night and go single coverage on him and cover the outside shooters and rotate on picks instead of letting the shooters pick you apart from outside. It is kind of like the same thing with LeBron, the Magic tried to shut down everybody except LeBron which worked very well. I don't think Howard can put up 38 ppg single covered. I think one huge difference is that even though Bynum is very very rusty and has not played up to his capabilities in these playoffs since coming back from injury, he is also not Big "I'm a tree stuck in concrete and can't move Z" and can actually move on defense.

The other big factor to me is that everyone keeps saying that Odom, Ariza, Gasol, Walton cannot cover Lewis and Turkoglu. I think that remains to be seen but I do know that Lewis and Turkoglu cannot cover Odom and Gasol in the low post. Those guys are finesse players and not bangers. Howard cannot roam the low post like he did in the last series and not guard anyone because in this series everyone is capable of scoring in the low post for the Lakers. I think people are giving Turkoglu way too much credit. The guy is not super fast, he cannot put the ball on the floor and create his own shots especially against a similar style player in either Odom or Ariza. I remember when Turkoglu played for the Sacramento Queens back in the day and about the only thing that guy could do was shoot 3's. If you keep a hand in his face and keep him in front of you he is certainly not creating anything off the dribble.

This should be an interesting series. BTW, I had Orlando in six over the Celtics. I was shocked that Boston even got out of the first round with that ragtag bunch of players. But then again, they did add the greatest player of all time Stephon "Starbury" Marbury on their roster which I thought might carry them to the NBA Finals again :rolleyes: .

The other factor is that Michael Pietrus and Lee are both good defenders but they are no Shane Battier and Ron Artest. I actually heard a Magic fan compare both of them to those players and could not stop laughing. Battier and Artest played Kobe about as well as anyone could hope to in the Western Semi's series and they could not stop him. Kobe is obviously going to get his just as Howard is it is simply a matter of what other role players step up and do their jobs.

jobathenut
06-02-2009, 08:59 PM
miracle-I really love what you have to say about this.I agree with you,this series could come down to "role" bench players.I wonder who the magic will put on kobe? As you said,i thought battier did a good job on kobe but again like you said it didnt matter.And i agree that turkoglu isn't really a dribble and make your own play kind of player.He seems to me,to be the type that just hangs out at the 3 point line and shoots the ball.Howard will get his points,and kobe will get his,it's about the other players.I just don't know if howard is as good as kobe when it comes to be a leader of his team.I mean kobe can take over a game and will a win for his team,can howard? I too had the celtics losing in the first rounds as i think last year was a fluke year for them.They were the nba's poster team,so they won.They always say if you live by the 3's you die by them,so i think i would just focus on the inside game if i was the lakers.And i'm hoping that walton will come up big for them.I just think the lakers bench is better.And i agree for a big man bynum isnt a tree big man and can maybe really make howard work for his points.But as it always seems to come down to,it's about how the refs call the games.:)
A couple of items here, I would personally take the chance that Howard would put up a monster night and go single coverage on him and cover the outside shooters and rotate on picks instead of letting the shooters pick you apart from outside. It is kind of like the same thing with LeBron, the Magic tried to shut down everybody except LeBron which worked very well. I don't think Howard can put up 38 ppg single covered. I think one huge difference is that even though Bynum is very very rusty and has not played up to his capabilities in these playoffs since coming back from injury, he is also not Big "I'm a tree stuck in concrete and can't move Z" and can actually move on defense.

The other big factor to me is that everyone keeps saying that Odom, Ariza, Gasol, Walton cannot cover Lewis and Turkoglu. I think that remains to be seen but I do know that Lewis and Turkoglu cannot cover Odom and Gasol in the low post. Those guys are finesse players and not bangers. Howard cannot roam the low post like he did in the last series and not guard anyone because in this series everyone is capable of scoring in the low post for the Lakers. I think people are giving Turkoglu way too much credit. The guy is not super fast, he cannot put the ball on the floor and create his own shots especially against a similar style player in either Odom or Ariza. I remember when Turkoglu played for the Sacramento Queens back in the day and about the only thing that guy could do was shoot 3's. If you keep a hand in his face and keep him in front of you he is certainly not creating anything off the dribble.

This should be an interesting series. BTW, I had Orlando in six over the Celtics. I was shocked that Boston even got out of the first round with that ragtag bunch of players. But then again, they did add the greatest player of all time Stephon "Starbury" Marbury on their roster which I thought might carry them to the NBA Finals again :rolleyes: .

The other factor is that Michael Pietrus and Lee are both good defenders but they are no Shane Battier and Ron Artest. I actually heard a Magic fan compare both of them to those players and could not stop laughing. Battier and Artest played Kobe about as well as anyone could hope to in the Western Semi's series and they could not stop him. Kobe is obviously going to get his just as Howard is it is simply a matter of what other role players step up and do their jobs.

mr.miracle
06-02-2009, 09:15 PM
Not relevant to this series, but one of the greatest plays in Lakers playoff history.

http://video.vizhole.com/home-sports-nba/robert_horry

Master Shake
06-02-2009, 11:26 PM
Its good to get a little basketball conversation going on here. I'm not taking the Magic in 6 based on the fact that Jameer is returning. I honestly don't even know if its a good idea at this point to bring him back. I do agree with a lot of the things Mr. Miracle said. I do agree Gasol and Ariza are better defenders than anyone the Cavs had covering Turkoglu and Lewis. I was actually pretty mad when the Magic traded Ariza away. He was a great role player in Orlando and he showed a lot of upside to him. Turkoglu is a horrible defender in my opinion and will often foul to bail himself out of someone driving to the hoop. No question Bynum is going to be better defender on Howard than Ilgauskas. But the question is can Bynum stay out of foul trouble against him. He can easily get someone in foul trouble within minutes. After Bynum who would the Lakers have guarding Howard? Gasol maybe? I do also agree that not double teaming Howard is the way to play the Magic. I think they're more of an offensive threat with their role players scoring and hitting the 3 ball than with Howard getting 30-40 points a game. Kobe is also going to get his points there's no question about that just like Lebron James did. You can't completely stop him but you can take away his teammates from getting in on the action. All in all, I can't wait for the series to start as it will be good. GO MAGIC! :D

jobathenut
06-02-2009, 11:36 PM
master-Bynum gets himself into foul trouble real easy.So like i said,it really depends on how the refs call the games.If they let them play,then i think bynum will do ok,but if they call any contact or reputation fouls then he is going to in trouble.I alway's think it's funny,that a foul is suppose to be on the player that makes the first contact but i see players driving with the ball and plow into defenders and get the foul called on them.It happen to luke walton alot in the last round vs denver when he was trying to guard anthoney.I just hope the refs let the teams decided who wins.:)
Its good to get a little basketball conversation going on here. I'm not taking the Magic in 6 based on the fact that Jameer is returning. I honestly don't even know if its a good idea at this point to bring him back. I do agree with a lot of the things Mr. Miracle said. I do agree Gasol and Ariza are better defenders than anyone the Cavs had covering Turkoglu and Lewis. I was actually pretty mad when the Magic traded Ariza away. He was a great role player in Orlando and he showed a lot of upside to him. Turkoglu is a horrible defender in my opinion and will often foul to bail himself out of someone driving to the hoop. No question Bynum is going to be better defender on Howard than Ilgauskas. But the question is can Bynum stay out of foul trouble against him. He can easily get someone in foul trouble within minutes. After Bynum who would the Lakers have guarding Howard? Gasol maybe? I do also agree that not double teaming Howard is the way to play the Magic. I think they're more of an offensive threat with their role players scoring and hitting the 3 ball than with Howard getting 30-40 points a game. Kobe is also going to get his points there's no question about that just like Lebron James did. You can't completely stop him but you can take away his teammates from getting in on the action. All in all, I can't wait for the series to start as it will be good. GO MAGIC! :D

mr.miracle
06-02-2009, 11:48 PM
You know who is killing the Lakers right now is Sasha Vujucic. I don't know what happened to the Machine but he is just sucking this year in the playoffs. He has actually been extremely inconsistent all year but he just keeps firing and firing away and cannot seem to hit the ocean if he fell out of the boat. It is almost getting to the point that the Lakers bench once thought to be their greatest strength is turning into a potential problem. I know Phil keeps sticking with Fish but he is just really looking worn down right now. Farmar and Shannon Brown have both been very inconsistent. They just have had a very inconsistent bench throughout the playoffs. It will be imperative for their bench to step up however one thing that I believe will help both teams is that there is finally some rest between the Eastern/Western Finals and the Finals and there is also an extra day in between a couple of these games. Of course, if you made it this far you need to suck it up and play. You have a max of 7 more games and then the rest of the summer to recover.

jobathenut
06-04-2009, 11:11 PM
My thought's on game #1-Lakers fans,Don't let the final score fool you.I think the series is going to be closer than this.I do have to say the lakers impressed me with thier play.Great defense on howard.And like i said in my other posts in this thread,as goes for 3 point offenses like the magic,you live by them and like tonight you die by them.I thought luke walton had a good game,and bynum did good on howard.As i thought,that was going to be the key to the series.Bynum vs howard and game one goes to bynum(and the lakers defense).And i just think the way the lakers played defense was the right way,kind of like,let anyone else beat you but howard.And of course the key to the lakers,and this game is the fact that kobe won't let anyone deny him or his team of this championship.He is a true champion,even though according to others,the whole leauge hates him and blah,blah,blah(haters talk).The measure being that you make the team around you better and you elevate thier play,and thats something howard can't do.Howard isnt that same type of player.Well one down 3 to go for the lakers.I will say this,my prediction in the start of the thread was lakers in 6,but if both teams play like they did tonight,it will obviously be a sweep for the lakers and kobe to get his 4th and phil to get the record 10th championship.What's really stubid now,is that we have to wait 2 days to play the next game.:)

jobathenut
06-07-2009, 10:48 PM
My thought's on game #2-I really think that the magic missed a great chance to win here,as the lakers stole the win from them.And i think this was the key game for me as the lakers go,as this insures the lakers won't lose the title in orlando even if the magic sweep them.Just like what happen in 2004 against the pistons where they won all 3 games in detroit and beat the lakers.I won't say how unfair the 2-3-2 format is,as i've already expressed my thoughts about it.As it's actually the team that opens on the road that had home court advantage.I think this was a good game for both team,as it proved the magic can compete with the lakers,and it proved the lakers can tough out a win.I really think the tough series the lakers have had helped them in this game.The fact it hasn't been a cake walk for them.The lakers bench did'nt have a really good game,and walton did'nt come up big as he did in the first game.But i think fischer had a good game.And the justice that the lakers won takes away for the blown call for the refs on howards "block" in the first quarter where he went threw the hoop to block it.That's 2 points and the lakers would've won saying it went into over time.How do they miss a call like that,to me that's why refs in every sport should be held accountable for thier calls.And they like the payers and coaches should have to do post game press conferneces and have to ansewer for it.I mean that one call could've decided a finals game.Theres no excuse for that.And the only thing that bailed out one of the worst non calls ever in the finals is that a rookie for the magic missed a wide open lay up to win the game,i call that karma.I knew this game was going to be close and now i look for the magic to win at least 2 games at home,but if the lakers win game 3,i think they will sweep the series.:)

jobathenut
06-07-2009, 10:51 PM
On a side note-I guess this thread has turned into my personal blog about the series now....funny as it had so many posts just leading up to it,but only me since it started,oh well,goodie,a thread all for me:)

mr.miracle
06-07-2009, 11:15 PM
Good tough win for the Lakers. This one was a nailbiter much of the night. I knew that this series would not be a blowout. What I think is interesting is that the Lakers threw the game 1 playbook out the window at times which worked so well. Way too many open looks from the 3 point shooters. You absolutely have to keep a hand in all the shooters faces and rotate off on the pics. Turkoglu, Lewis, Pietrus, Lee, Nelson, Alston etc. cannot get open 3's. This is going to come back to haunt the Lakers at some point in this series.

Now you have to go on the road and take care of business win at least 1 game. This is going to be difficult however the Lakers have already won in Utah and Denver two of the most difficult road arena's in the NBA.

Should be interesting.

Mr.3000
06-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Goodnight Orlando. Maybe next year.

jobathenut
06-07-2009, 11:46 PM
Miracle-hi there,i was wondering where you were.As i've been wondering what you have been thinking of the series so far.I would have to agree with you,as they didn't seem to play the same intense defense as the first game.But i really think they are using the, "any one but howard is going to win for them", defense.As i've said on here,the saying goes,live by the 3 and die by it.And i just think the lakers are going by that.What surprises me is the fact the lakers have'nt very many 3 so far.I just don't buy the hype around howard,superman,well tell him to get to a phone booth and change as he is more clark kent right now.And i'm sorry but is it allowed in the nba when you are dribbling to use your other arm and push off on the other player like turkoglu does.And like you said,if the lakers can win in utah and denver they can win anywhere.:)
Good tough win for the Lakers. This one was a nailbiter much of the night. I knew that this series would not be a blowout. What I think is interesting is that the Lakers threw the game 1 playbook out the window at times which worked so well. Way too many open looks from the 3 point shooters. You absolutely have to keep a hand in all the shooters faces and rotate off on the pics. Turkoglu, Lewis, Pietrus, Lee, Nelson, Alston etc. cannot get open 3's. This is going to come back to haunt the Lakers at some point in this series.

Now you have to go on the road and take care of business win at least 1 game. This is going to be difficult however the Lakers have already won in Utah and Denver two of the most difficult road arena's in the NBA.

Should be interesting.

suicide_squeeze
06-07-2009, 11:52 PM
Right-e-O, Mr. 3000

If Orlando can't win a game like tonight, with Kobe completely off the mark and playing like a bench player in for garbage time......it ain't happening.

It all comes down to how badly the Lakers want to send a message. They can sweep this series with a solid effort to break the spirit (and backs) of the Magic in game 3. If they win it, game 4 will resemble game 1.

But I don't want to take anything away from Lamar. He stepped up and was the guy who held it all together in the 4th quarter when Kobe was sucking eggs. The only thing Kobe did do, to keep the team battling through the end, was hit his free throws.

But this game pretty much showed everyone why the Lakers are the better team, and why this "final" is over. They get contributions from everyone...Fish with a big three-pointer, Gasol with a tough defended fade-away, Ariza stealing the ball ever other time down the court....it's Phil Jackson's dream....he will get his record championship and surpass his Celtic's nemisis.

joelsabi
06-08-2009, 12:15 AM
lakers dodged a silver bullet today. instead of tied series, its 2-0 where winner of first 2 games have won the championship 38-1. ariza made some keys steals and really messed up magics momentum. the magics were really turnover prone. lakers were better off with bynum in foul trouble but i think bynum will play better on the road. the candyman had his a-game and looking forward to winning his first championship. gasol hoping to win his too and be the pride of spain. the spanish news reporter was saying he is the most popular citizen in spain now. i like the magic adjustment to a tall, non point guard linep with reddik g.etting pt in crunch time and tegoluv handling the ball. lets see what phil will do for adjustment for game 3

both-teams-played-hard
06-08-2009, 03:59 AM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7175/goaltending.jpg

mbenga28
06-08-2009, 07:16 AM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7175/goaltending.jpg


well, what about this one?

http://estaticos03.marca.com/albumes/2009/06/08/gasol_howard_2/1244438352_extras_albumes_0.jpg

mr.miracle
06-08-2009, 11:07 AM
well, what about this one?

http://estaticos03.marca.com/albumes/2009/06/08/gasol_howard_2/1244438352_extras_albumes_0.jpg

But of course, who would expect anything different than Magic fans all over the message boards, internet, talk shows crying this morning about the non-call goaltend of Gasol on that last second layup attempt by Lee. My understanding from several announcers and a former NBA ref that was interviewed is that Howard obviously committed a goaltend that was missed as he was up in the cylinder blocking a direct shot/dunk attempt etc. How that was missed is beyond me but it was.

On the other hand according to the former ref, simply touching the cylinder, nets etc. is not a goaltend unless it directly interferes with the potential of a shot going in. If you look at the replay on ESPN or other places, the ball obviously had no shot of going in as it was shot very strong and high off the backboard. Despite the fact that Magic fans are claiming that Gasol was rattling the entire backboard (Not sure what video they are looking at as all the replays clearly show the backboard, rim etc is not moving at all) Gasol did not interfere with the potential of the basket to be made. I am guessing that unless it is extremely, extremely obvious, there is no way you are making a call like that to end a game.

That scenario would be my take on the whole series of calls. There have been a number of strange calls in this series as there are in all series. I have been a bit surprised that they are not allowing Bynum and Howard to bang more down low. It seems like they are calling a ton of fouls while these guys are trying to establish position that are just really ticky tack. Anyway, I expect Orlando to play for their lives tomorrow night as they lose this game and this series is a wrap.

both-teams-played-hard
06-08-2009, 01:00 PM
But of course, who would expect anything different than Magic fans all over the message boards, internet, talk shows crying this morning about the non-call goaltend of Gasol on that last second layup attempt by Lee.


Brett
Who is crying? I just posted a photo. Folks can come to their own conclusions.

mr.miracle
06-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Brett
Who is crying? I just posted a photo. Folks can come to their own conclusions.


Not implying anything from you BTPH. The entire way into work today all these schmucks are calling up the local sports talk shows crying about that final play in regulation. Magic fans are all over ESPN, SI.com etc crying about it. Bottom line as always officials blow calls both ways. I was not implying anything from your pics at all just pointing out that I was stunned (why should I be stunned, the team that loses is always crying about something) that everyone was up in arms about a non-call that I believe the officials got right.

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 02:24 AM
Thanks,this is a great picture of a rookie laying a brick on a wide open simple layup.Is this suppose to be the same as howard touching the actual ball as it's going threw the net?Because this just shows gasol touching the rim and net,i don't see any ball being touched there.But i understand as you being a obvious laker hater,why you post this picture.;)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7175/goaltending.jpg

both-teams-played-hard
06-09-2009, 03:25 AM
Thanks,this is a great picture of a rookie laying a brick on a wide open simple layup.Is this suppose to be the same as howard touching the actual ball as it's going threw the net?Because this just shows gasol touching the rim and net,i don't see any ball being touched there.But i understand as you being a obvious laker hater,why you post this picture.;)
Yes, I hate the Lakers. I also hate piss-poor grammar and run-on sentences. :)

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 04:03 AM
How did i know you would have this kind of inmature response.Seriously,GRAMMER-that's what you got.You're actually criticizing grammer on a forum,That's funny.I'm sorry school teacher,i did'nt realize we are being graded on that on here.Keep up with the hate.:mad:
Yes, I hate the Lakers. I also hate piss-poor grammar and run-on sentences. :)

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 04:14 AM
Well anyways,to get away from the personal attack on me, and back on topic.I really think this game three will be most important obviously for the magic.It's a must win for them.And i think if they do win,then it could make this series interesting.As i think if the magic win,then it will go the six games i thought it would.But i think if the lakers win,they will win this in orlando.:)

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 07:56 AM
Well anyways,to get away from the personal attack on me, and back on topic.I really think this game three will be most important obviously for the magic.It's a must win for them.And i think if they do win,then it could make this series interesting.As i think if the magic win,then it will go the six games i thought it would.But i think if the lakers win,they will win this in orlando.:)

Joba, a couple of things:

First, in all fairness, you must admit that you did bait BTPH a bit.

Second, I wouldn't exactly call that a "simple layup." The pass could have been better. Lee was racing toward the bucket at an off-angle against Gasol, who has developed into an intimidating low post defender. It was basically a touch and shoot (with .06 left it was less than a catch and shoot) layup that didn't work out. See the shot again: http://www.blitzcorner.com/NBA/Courtney-Lee-Crucial-Alley-oop-Miss-Video

Now, with all of this said, should Lee have made the shot? Yes. While it was not a simple layup, it is a shot that I believe most 2s and 3s make. He buckled. And no, I do not believe that Pau's touching of the rim had anything to do with Lee's shot not falling. Lee simply bricked it off of the glass.

I like the Magic. They are tough not to like. I am pulling *slightly* for the Lakers as I would love to not have to hear any more of Shaq's stupid comments about Kobe (I realize that this is a lame reason, but I'm not all that personally invested in either team). My interest is in seeing a long, competitive series. The Magic, as a team, though, lost that game. Lee blew it, no doubt. But the Magic made a lot of mistakes in Game 2, not just a bricked alley-oop.

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mbenga28
06-09-2009, 08:51 AM
Dwight needs to develop better hands for the ball, like the way Gasol grips it. Seems like the ball has been squirting out of his hands under pressure a lot.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Game 3 jerseys look when they are posted on NBA Auctions this evening.

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 09:24 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Game 3 jerseys look when they are posted on NBA Auctions this evening.

You and I both, my friend.

both-teams-played-hard
06-09-2009, 01:05 PM
How did i know you would have this kind of inmature response.Seriously,GRAMMER-that's what you got.You're actually criticizing grammer on a forum,That's funny.I'm sorry school teacher,i did'nt realize we are being graded on that on here.Keep up with the hate.:mad:
You are right Joba. My comments were uncalled for. Grammar doesn't matter on a forum or in e-mail, for that matter. No hard feelings. My personal feelings for the Orlando Magic and the Los Angeles Lakers have nothing to do with sports memorabilia.

joelsabi
06-09-2009, 01:20 PM
can someone give me the link to the nba auctions? thanks in advance

mbenga28
06-09-2009, 01:52 PM
http://auctions.nba.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/User?id=meinba&wl=51136034&type=L

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 03:52 PM
can someone give me the link to the nba auctions? thanks in advance

Joel, I see that Mbenga already replied. When viewing the auctions, make sure you are sitting down. Several of them should already be in the Hall of Fame (at the very least, Dwight's first ever Finals jersey).

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 05:55 PM
Both teams-I apologize to you for my comments on here.As it was said on here,that i "baited" you.So i guess i had that personal attack on my gammer coming to me and i deserved it.I will try better at my grammer on here.All is good.:)
You are right Joba. My comments were uncalled for. Grammar doesn't matter on a forum or in e-mail, for that matter. No hard feelings. My personal feelings for the Orlando Magic and the Los Angeles Lakers have nothing to do with sports memorabilia.

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 06:05 PM
BTPH and Joba ... great to see your latest posts.

So, what will Stan Van do with the point tonight? Does anyone have even a clue? I feel bad for Skip to My Lou ... he has been coming up short, but he had the rug pulled out from under him a bit. I'd like to see him start at the 1 for another team ... I think he's a better 1 than some of the starters in the League. He's got to be among of the top few back-up point guards in the League (I think Dallas' J.J. Barea and L.A.'s Jordan Faramr are in the discussion, too).

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 06:11 PM
Sportscentury-I don't need to see the play again,but thanks for the link to it.And i'm sorry,i still stand by that it was a "simple layup".I think that's a shot that any if not all nba players should'nt brick.Especially in the finals to win the game.Has shaquille made new comments about kobe?.I'm glad you're with me on getting tired of that.And i agree with you,the brick layup was'nt the only thing that cost the magic the game.And if the refs would'nt have blown the worst call ever,that play would've just tied the game.:)
Joba, a couple of things:

First, in all fairness, you must admit that you did bait BTPH a bit.

Second, I wouldn't exactly call that a "simple layup." The pass could have been better. Lee was racing toward the bucket at an off-angle against Gasol, who has developed into an intimidating low post defender. It was basically a touch and shoot (with .06 left it was less than a catch and shoot) layup that didn't work out. See the shot again: http://www.blitzcorner.com/NBA/Courtney-Lee-Crucial-Alley-oop-Miss-Video

Now, with all of this said, should Lee have made the shot? Yes. While it was not a simple layup, it is a shot that I believe most 2s and 3s make. He buckled. And no, I do not believe that Pau's touching of the rim had anything to do with Lee's shot not falling. Lee simply bricked it off of the glass.

I like the Magic. They are tough not to like. I am pulling *slightly* for the Lakers as I would love to not have to hear any more of Shaq's stupid comments about Kobe (I realize that this is a lame reason, but I'm not all that personally invested in either team). My interest is in seeing a long, competitive series. The Magic, as a team, though, lost that game. Lee blew it, no doubt. But the Magic made a lot of mistakes in Game 2, not just a bricked alley-oop.

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jobathenut
06-09-2009, 06:18 PM
I'm not that familer with the magic's team.But to me you go with the team that got you there.That nelson has been out almost the whole season.And now he is taking time from players that got them there.And i can see where they would be upset and it would take thier confidence away."This guy has been injured all season,and now you're playing him over me".I think that's some bad coaching to do that.I understand nelson is a all star and a great player.But to me,you don't mess with the chemistry of the team in the finals.:)
BTPH and Joba ... great to see your latest posts.

So, what will Stan Van do with the point tonight? Does anyone have even a clue? I feel bad for Skip to My Lou ... he has been coming up short, but he had the rug pulled out from under him a bit. I'd like to see him start at the 1 for another team ... I think he's a better 1 than some of the starters in the League. He's got to be among of the top few back-up point guards in the League (I think Dallas' J.J. Barea and L.A.'s Jordan Faramr are in the discussion, too).

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 07:12 PM
I'm not that familer with the magic's team.But to me you go with the team that got you there.That nelson has been out almost the whole season.And now he is taking time from players that got them there.And i can see where they would be upset and it would take thier confidence away."This guy has been injured all season,and now you're playing him over me".I think that's some bad coaching to do that.I understand nelson is a all star and a great player.But to me,you don't mess with the chemistry of the team in the finals.:)

I agree for the most part. I wouldn't have rushed to fix something that was so far from broken (beating the Sixers, Celts, and Cavs ain't too bad), especially in the drastic fashion that Stan Van employed. But Nelson certainly helped the Magic get where they are, make no mistake ... he was their All Star point guard for a good chunk of the season, leading them to many wins that helped them get a high seed in the Playoffs.

joelsabi
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
how many different basketballs are use in 1 game? any idea?

mbenga28
06-09-2009, 08:02 PM
jerseys from Game 3 are up now!

mbenga28
06-09-2009, 08:13 PM
how many different basketballs are use in 1 game? any idea?

it's probably one, here's a photo match notice the 3 "x" marked on the panel.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eTYareaIs83u/610x.jpg

http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog2130/folder95672/img8120420.jpg

cordovacollector
06-09-2009, 11:28 PM
... koooo-beeee ...

jobathenut
06-09-2009, 11:29 PM
My thoughts on game 3-I just have to say,these are the worst refereed finals games ever.And i'm not looking threw hater or fan glasses.As i'm saying it's bad calls or non calls for both teams.There is no excuse for this and the league should be embarrassed that this is going on in thier league championship.As far as the game goes,i think it pretty much played out like the other 2 games.The difference being that orlando shots were going in,like thier coach said.I think the game plans were the same as the other games.The exacution however was'nt the same for the lakers and kobe for sure.He usually is the one you can count on at the end of the game to come up big and hit the big shots and make the big plays and he did'nt in this game.And i think the lakers bench isn't playing like they did in that first game.But i expected orlando to win at least 2 out of the 3 games.And i think if orlando wins game 4,thisis going to very interesting and makes game 5 the most important game.Because the lakers have to win at least one of the these game there.:)

sportscentury
06-09-2009, 11:35 PM
... koooo-beeee ...

You're a fan now?

cordovacollector
06-09-2009, 11:40 PM
Oh, 'scuze me, I thought my sarcasm was showing. :rolleyes:

jobathenut
06-12-2009, 12:16 AM
My thoughts on game 4-I just have to say to those lakers haters(van gundy,mark jackson etc),as i know they all will be bringing up that nelson got elbowed by kobe.I'm sorry but never mind the fact that there was a lopsided 18-0 free throws in the 4th quarter advantage(inexcusable to have that much bias for one team)for the magic.But to me, where is kobe suppose to do when nelson runs and puts his chin right where his elbow is.It was like in the 2002 final vs the 76ers when matumbo(sp?)would put his chin right under shaq's elbow.How is he suppose to play when you put your face right on him.Again to me,it looked like nelson ran into the elbow.Now if he was just standing there guarding him and then kobe came up with the elbow,then i can understand calling a foul.But anyway,the story of this finals,is the ref's continue to blow the finals.And it did'nt get any better in this game.And i'm saying that about calls and non calls about both teams.Big win for the lakers, and that fischer sure has proven to be a clutch shooter in his career.I am not sure what all the hype is about howard,as he gets most of his points on the free throw lane.I have never really seen him play.But i am not impressed by him.Now granted this is just one series.But i thought he was more a active player,but he is just another tree center.And that being said,it's not that tough to block shots when you are planted under the basket.And bricking those 2 crucial free throws is something you can't do if you want to be at the level the media sure seems to put him.Is he the best player on his team,yeah maybe.But is he in among the top 5 or even 10 players in the league playing right now,not even close to it.I just don't think he is deserving of the hype he gets from the media and sports talk people.I'm not hating,he's good ,just not that good.And please someone tell those announcers,that it's 2-3-2,meaning game 6 is in los angeles,and not in orlando like the idiot said in the first quarter of the game.And i think it's funny that those other two puppets did'nt correct him.Best way to listen to the game?With the sound down,but thats with all sports.I just think it's funny,when they talk about things that have nothing to do with what's going on in the game.But that's just me,as i don't really care when van gundy and mark jackson played.I'm sorry,but i just think the finals should about the teams and players playing it,and not the people announcing it.I still hold firm to my lakers in 6,as i think the magic will win game 6 and bring it back to los angeles.And will win it there.:)

sportscentury
06-12-2009, 12:19 AM
My thoughts on game 4-I just have to say to those lakers haters(van gundy,mark jackson etc),as i know they all will be bringing up that nelson got elbowed by kobe.I'm sorry but never mind the fact that there was a lopsided 18-0 free throws in the 4th quarter advantage(inexcusable to have that much bias for one team)for the magic.But to me, where is kobe suppose to do when nelson runs and puts his chin right where his elbow is.It was like in the 2002 final vs the 76ers when matumbo(sp?)would put his chin right under shaq's elbow.How is he suppose to play when you put your face right on him.Again to me,it looked like nelson ran into the elbow.Now if he was just standing there guarding him and then kobe came up with the elbow,then i can understand calling a foul.But anyway,the story of this finals,is the ref's continue to blow the finals.And it did'nt get any better in this game.And i'm saying that about calls and non calls about both teams.Big win for the lakers, and that fischer sure has proven to be a clutch shooter in his career.I am not sure what all the hype is about howard,as he gets most of his points on the free throw lane.I have never really seen him play.But i am not impressed by him.Now granted this is just one series.But i thought he was more a active player,but he is just another tree center.And that being said,it's not that tough to block shots when you are planted under the basket.And bricking those 2 crucial free throws is something you can't do if you want to be at the level the media sure seems to put him.Is he the best player on his team,yeah maybe.But is he in among the top 5 or even 10 players in the league playing right now,not even close to it.I just don't think he is deserving of the hype he gets from the media and sports talk people.I'm not hating,he's good ,just not that good.And please someone tell those announcers,that it's 2-3-2,meaning game 6 is in los angeles,and not in orlando like the idiot said in the first quarter of the game.And i think it's funny that those other two puppets did'nt correct him.Best way to listen to the game?With the sound down,but thats with all sports.I just think it's funny,when they talk about things that have nothing to do with what's going on in the game.But that's just me,as i don't really care when van gundy and mark jackson played.I'm sorry,but i just think the finals should about the teams and players playing it,and not the people announcing it.I still hold firm to my lakers in 6,as i think the magic will win game 6 and bring it back to los angeles.And will win it there.:)

Joba, we miss you in the other thread where we are all talking about the game/series. See:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=25836
Hop on over.

mr.miracle
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
Joba, we miss you in the other thread where we are all talking about the game/series. See:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=25836
Hop on over.


I second that motion. I keep getting these two mixed up.

jobathenut
06-12-2009, 05:38 AM
Is that why noone is playing with me here.You guys got your own game going.I started this thread as it says the finals.Thinking we could use it as like the official finals thread.Because that other thread was started in like the utah series,so i thought one that said nba finals would be better.But that's fine,i'll just have my very own thread(blog) i guess.Well have fun over there.i just can't abandon my own thread,that would be funny.:)
I second that motion. I keep getting these two mixed up.

joelsabi
06-14-2009, 11:43 AM
Kobe is amazing me with his passing skills. He is moving up to Jordaneesque level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBTCyAgsyQ&feature=PlayList&p=FC5FDD33DF4B627C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

mr.miracle
06-14-2009, 11:57 AM
Kobe is amazing me with his passing skills. He is moving up to Jordaneesque level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBTCyAgsyQ&feature=PlayList&p=FC5FDD33DF4B627C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5


Please, for god sake be careful about the words you utter. We all know that Jordan attained God status at some point in his post playing career and try as they might, nobody will ever be even in the same league as he was. :rolleyes:

All the Jordanites out there will crucify you for such blasphemy!

sportscentury
06-14-2009, 12:08 PM
Is that why noone is playing with me here.You guys got your own game going.I started this thread as it says the finals.Thinking we could use it as like the official finals thread.Because that other thread was started in like the utah series,so i thought one that said nba finals would be better.But that's fine,i'll just have my very own thread(blog) i guess.Well have fun over there.i just can't abandon my own thread,that would be funny.:)

Not at all. We just got caught up in the other thread. I'd just prefer if we stick to one, only because it is easier to follow ... I don't care which one it is.

Very excited for the game tonight, though I think it is complete BS that Pietrus wasn't suspended. I am not a die-hard Lakers fan by any stretch of the imagination, and would be perfectly happy to see the Magic take the whole thing ... but failing to suspend Pietrus is simply wrong.

mr.miracle
06-14-2009, 12:16 PM
Not at all. We just got caught up in the other thread. I'd just prefer if we stick to one, only because it is easier to follow ... I don't care which one it is.

Very excited for the game tonight, though I think it is complete BS that Pietrus wasn't suspended. I am not a die-hard Lakers fan by any stretch of the imagination, and would be perfectly happy to see the Magic take the whole thing ... but failing to suspend Pietrus is simply wrong.


You know Reid, I changed my tune on that one the more I watched it. That was a horrible call. How he was not immediately thrown out of the game and subsequently suspended is beyond me.

I also cannot wait for the game. Just in case I already have my sledgehammer and lighter fluid, matches etc. poised just in case the Lakers win. I figure it is time to burn down the town even if I am 3000 miles east of LA :rolleyes:

jobathenut
06-14-2009, 10:23 PM
los angeles lakers 2009 nba world champions-YES!!!!!....Man that sounds great.I am so happy for kobe and fischer and phil.It took awhile but kobe finally got a ring without shaquille o'neal,how do you like me now big man.I am happy that fischer came back to the lakers and was able to get this ring.Those two have had thier ups and downs and derserve this.And phil jackson being able now to own the recored all to himself.Well that's just the icing on this ring cake.On a side note-i loved the hat the wore after the game.Too bad you can't buy that as his kids made that for him.I did think the championship hats were boring looking.With all that kobe has been threw,i sure am happy for him the most.They sure proved by winning 4 games to 1 (and two in orlando)that they are indeed the better team.And the the best team won and without a doubt.Even though i'm sure the haters will find them.But i'm not going to let them bring me down and ruin my happiness for the lakers winning the championship.And i congratulate the whole laker team for this championship.As you guys did this as a team.Way to go guys:) :) :) :)

joelsabi
06-14-2009, 10:24 PM
championship parade on wednesday at 11 am.

sportscentury
06-14-2009, 10:28 PM
Not sure which Playoff/Finals thread we are using tonight ... congrats to Kobe and the Lakers. Perhaps Shaq will shut up for a short while now. I will say that this was one of the most anti-climactic Finals I can remember. To be up by 15 points that early in the game, when you are up 3-1 in the series, is just not exciting. Nike and the NBA must be disappointed. They were counting on a competitive 6- or 7-game series between LBJ and Kobe. The Lakers looked so dominant ... the Magic were simply not a worthy component.

mr.miracle
06-14-2009, 10:36 PM
Not sure which Playoff/Finals thread we are using tonight ... congrats to Kobe and the Lakers. Perhaps Shaq will shut up for a short while now. I will say that this was one of the most anti-climactic Finals I can remember. To be up by 15 points that early in the game, when you are up 3-1 in the series, is just not exciting. Nike and the NBA must be disappointed. They were counting on a competitive 6- or 7-game series between LBJ and Kobe. The Lakers looked so dominant ... the Magic were simply not a worthy component.

Well said Reid, the Lakers need to find a way to bring back Odem and Ariza. I would love to see the Celtics at full strength and the Lakers at full strength to see if we can get a rematch of last years finals next year. That being said, I am sure an exhausted Kobe will get some well deserved rest and not go back to the gym until Tuesday at the earliest lol.

Congratulations to the Lakers, I honestly felt that this team despite the ups and downs earlier in the playoffs particularly in that Houston series and game 2 in the Western Finals against Denver, that this team just would not be denied. Kobe really really wanted this thing bad. They brought it in the finals and the results show that.:)

mr.miracle
06-15-2009, 12:14 AM
Phil Jackson is not thinking about 10 rings.

He's thinking about two. The two that got away, the first to Detroit in 2004 and the second to Boston in 2008. He's thinking about how no one took the Pistons seriously and how dangerous that made them. He's thinking about how he couldn't get his players to truly understand, prepare for and match the intensity of the Celtics' defense. He's thinking about losing, about the sting it left, about the way it lingers even now. He's thinking about surviving it, replacing it, pushing past it.

He's thinking about one. This one. Right here and now. The one still to be fought for and chased down. The one to be won. The one to be celebrated and savored, should it come. The one that says, Hot damn, look what we're capable of, even with a baby-faced center and a silvered-hair coach. The one that justifies the time and sacrifice. The one that affirms the faith. The one that can come, with luck, when players connect. The only one there is.

This is truely what I love about Jackson. Despite all his successes the most successful coach in American Professional Sports history, he is still thinking about those two that literally got away. As a Lakers fan, I will never forget the sting of those two, but then again, I will never forget the sting of 91 or 89 when the Lakers were without the services of the greatest point guard in professional basketball history and they also lost their starting shooting guard. As well as the others that I can remember in the early to mid 80's. After all, for all the Lakers successes, 15 NBA Titles, there have also been 15 NBA championship defeats.

Despite all of my own personal successes in life, not certainly on any grand stage mind you, it is still the failures as few as they have been professionally that eat away at me. I guess we would not be human if that was not the case.

mbenga28
06-15-2009, 08:07 AM
Congratulations to the Lakers organization and their fans for winning the franchise's fifteenth title. Respect and recognition to the Magic organization as well for their incredible run to the Finals, may this be the first of many trips with a different outcome for this young and entertaining team.

mbenga28
06-15-2009, 08:17 AM
aside from the Kobe winning a title without Shaq plot, perhaps another media generated theme that can finally be put to rest is the pejorative Pau "Gasoft" label. He did a fantastic job guarding Dwight Howard throughout the Finals, played a tremendous amount of minutes similar to Kobe dating from last season and an interesting stat that was mentioned last night that the Lakers have not lost three in a row since acquiring Gasol.

sox83cubs84
06-15-2009, 06:44 PM
Zen Master...you ARE the greatest. Too bad Red isn't still around, as I'd like to see what petty trash-talking he'd send your way NOW, considering you passed him by.:p

Dave M.
Chicago area

sportscentury
06-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Zen Master...you ARE the greatest. Too bad Red isn't still around, as I'd like to see what petty trash-talking he'd send your way NOW, considering you passed him by.:p

Dave M.
Chicago area

Speaking of petty trash-talking, did you see that Shaq's congratulatory tweet to Jackson was really just another shot at Stan Van? Pathetic.

mbenga28
06-15-2009, 08:19 PM
Speaking of petty trash-talking, did you see that Shaq's congratulatory tweet to Jackson was really just another shot at Stan Van? Pathetic.

the grammar on that tweet was pungent and a sore to the eyes, I can't see how anyone could go on to read the entire post when he couldn't even spell congratulations correctly.

sportscentury
06-15-2009, 08:25 PM
the grammar on that tweet was pungent and a sore to the eyes, I can't see how anyone could go on to read the entire post when he couldn't even spell congratulations correctly.

I wouldn't waste my time even googling his Twitter page ... I just heard the highlights (or lowlights, rather) reported on ESPN this morning.

mr.miracle
06-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Zen Master...you ARE the greatest. Too bad Red isn't still around, as I'd like to see what petty trash-talking he'd send your way NOW, considering you passed him by.:p

Dave M.
Chicago area


You know, I have never really understood the whole Red vs. Phil thing. I mean I understand Red not wanting to see Phil pass him and the whole thing about Phil being a disciple of the other Red , Red Holtzman and all, but I think Aurebach took a few too many puffs of the wacky weed on his old Cigars. Red or his legions of fans would always say Phil took over all these teams with HOF players and that is why he won. First, that is not true, can anybody say Doug Collins, Kurt Rambis, Del Harris who got their respective teams to the playoffs prior to Phil taking over but could never close the deal. Secondly, did Red forget about all the HOF players he coached. He was in an 8 team league and had Russell, Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Havlichek, Frank Ramsey, Bob Cousey,Bill Sharman, Sam Jones and Bailey Howell all NBA HOF players. To remotely suggest that Red did not have a hugely stacked deck during his tenure with the Celtics is just stupidity. Not to take anything away from Red as no coach can just role the ball out there and win games, but that arguement has just been complete stupidity anytime I have ever heard it.

sox83cubs84
06-15-2009, 10:59 PM
You know, I have never really understood the whole Red vs. Phil thing. I mean I understand Red not wanting to see Phil pass him and the whole thing about Phil being a disciple of the other Red , Red Holtzman and all, but I think Aurebach took a few too many puffs of the wacky weed on his old Cigars. Red or his legions of fans would always say Phil took over all these teams with HOF players and that is why he won. First, that is not true, can anybody say Doug Collins, Kurt Rambis, Del Harris who got their respective teams to the playoffs prior to Phil taking over but could never close the deal. Secondly, did Red forget about all the HOF players he coached. He was in an 8 team league and had Russell, Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Havlichek, Frank Ramsey, Bob Cousey,Bill Sharman, Sam Jones and Bailey Howell all NBA HOF players. To remotely suggest that Red did not have a hugely stacked deck during his tenure with the Celtics is just stupidity. Not to take anything away from Red as no coach can just role the ball out there and win games, but that arguement has just been complete stupidity anytime I have ever heard it.

Exactly!!

Dave M.
Chicago area

sportscentury
06-15-2009, 11:04 PM
You know, I have never really understood the whole Red vs. Phil thing. I mean I understand Red not wanting to see Phil pass him and the whole thing about Phil being a disciple of the other Red , Red Holtzman and all, but I think Aurebach took a few too many puffs of the wacky weed on his old Cigars. Red or his legions of fans would always say Phil took over all these teams with HOF players and that is why he won. First, that is not true, can anybody say Doug Collins, Kurt Rambis, Del Harris who got their respective teams to the playoffs prior to Phil taking over but could never close the deal. Secondly, did Red forget about all the HOF players he coached. He was in an 8 team league and had Russell, Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Havlichek, Frank Ramsey, Bob Cousey,Bill Sharman, Sam Jones and Bailey Howell all NBA HOF players. To remotely suggest that Red did not have a hugely stacked deck during his tenure with the Celtics is just stupidity. Not to take anything away from Red as no coach can just role the ball out there and win games, but that arguement has just been complete stupidity anytime I have ever heard it.

The best revenge is success. Kobe didn't react to any of Shaq's nonsense, nor did Phil to Red's. They just continue to succeed.

mr.miracle
06-15-2009, 11:25 PM
The best revenge is success. Kobe didn't react to any of Shaq's nonsense, nor did Phil to Red's. They just continue to succeed.


Great points, now the talk today all over the radio and tv is where does Kobe rank all-time. He will be 31 in August and has a lot of miles on his body starting at such a young age and now having played deep in the playoffs for a long time including 6 NBA finals. However, if the Lakers can keep Odom and Ariza, they are already installed as early favorites to repeat next year. If the Lakers can stay healthy and of course as always, that is a huge if in any sport, they are setup to be a title contender legitimately for the next 3 or 4 seasons. It is certainly possible if not probable that this is not Kobe's final NBA title. I think he has his sights set on far more. I would think he would have 3 - 4 seasons at a very high level of play yet before he starts to decline. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that the Lakers can get a couple of more titles with this team. Time will tell just what this team can accomplish.

mbenga28
06-16-2009, 06:22 AM
The best revenge is success. Kobe didn't react to any of Shaq's nonsense, nor did Phil to Red's. They just continue to succeed.


indeed, surely this was just as sweet if not more:

"Laker forward Josh Powell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3774/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3774/news) played just 73 minutes during these playoffs, but he more than earned the sense of victory and relief that comes with his first championship ring. Needing money to support his family, Powell left North Carolina State in 2003. Long, skilled, athletic and tough he was so impressive at some of his workouts that he was briefly discussed as a lottery pick — although he ultimately went undrafted, and has played for several team overseas in the NBA in the interim. One of his workouts was for the Washington Wizards (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/was/), where Patrick Ewing was then an assistant coach. After the workout, Ewing stunned Powell, by telling him that he would never make the NBA. Powell has not forgotten. 'Every time I see him,' he says, he remembers the words that once cut him. 'It was just motivation. I can't do nothing but respect it, if that's his opinion. It just drove me to go hard. It drove me to stay hungry.' About then, some NBA personnel came through the champagne-soaked Laker locker room with the gleaming NBA championship trophy. Powell finishes his thought, reaching for the trophy: 'Everything worked out for the best ... now let me see that thing right there ...'"

mbenga28
06-16-2009, 07:43 AM
little off topic but have any of you recently browsed nbagameworn.com? there's some very nice new arrivals, including some Christmas 2008 jerseys and other special events.

sportscentury
06-16-2009, 08:32 AM
little off topic but have any of you recently browsed nbagameworn.com? there's some very nice new arrivals, including some Christmas 2008 jerseys and other special events.

Some terrific additions, many of them at pretty low prices IMHO. I am picking up the Nowitzki 08-09 Playoff jerseys (he made All-NBA First Team again this year, and put up sick numbers in the Playoffs: 27 PPG, 10 RPG, 3 APG).

Other highlights are the Tim Duncan and Michael Finley game worn 2008 Christmas Day jerseys with the snowflake patch/logo.

mbenga28
06-16-2009, 08:53 AM
congratulations on a fine acquisition sportscentury, as I look forward to seeing photos of this along with your other exquisite collection in the near future!

sportscentury
06-16-2009, 09:07 AM
congratulations on a fine acquisition sportscentury, as I look forward to seeing photos of this along with your other exquisite collection in the near future!

Stay tuned ... When I obtain the new ones, I'll take and post some shots.

mbenga28
06-16-2009, 10:22 AM
Excellent sportscentury, do you frame your game used jerseys? If not, how do you prefer to display them?

Also, could you or someone else explaint to me why NBA Auctions from time to time sell game used items that are sourced from the previous season? For example, right now they are auctioning three practice used basketballs used by the Lakers in last year's Finals. Why do they decide to hold onto the items and not sell the in proximity to when the events occur, but instead a year later?

sportscentury
06-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Excellent sportscentury, do you frame your game used jerseys? If not, how do you prefer to display them?

Also, could you or someone else explaint to me why NBA Auctions from time to time sell game used items that are sourced from the previous season? For example, right now they are auctioning three practice used basketballs used by the Lakers in last year's Finals. Why do they decide to hold onto the items and not sell the in proximity to when the events occur, but instead a year later?

I do not frame my jerseys, never have. I keep my jerseys hanging in the closet with individual suit covers or folded neatly in individual MeiGray boxes.

NBA Auctions does not list everything as soon as they obtain it, but I don't know why. E.g., Meigray's Mavs 07-08 Playoff jerseys were listed on NBA Auctions just a couple of months ago. I'm not sure if this is a selling strategy, or if it is more a case of listing items when possible. Barry may comment here, though many of the NBA Auctions items are not MeiGray items, so it may be more of an NBA.com issue.

joelsabi
06-18-2009, 08:32 PM
it's probably one, here's a photo match notice the 3 "x" marked on the panel.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eTYareaIs83u/610x.jpg

http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog2130/folder95672/img8120420.jpg

this post may have triggered its bidding.

is there a way of looking at results from todays auction?

mbenga28
06-18-2009, 08:46 PM
is there a way of looking at results from todays auction?

on the left side click on "Recently Sold Items (http://auctions.nba.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/sold.d2w/report?wl=51136034&sort_order=priced)" and that will sold tonight's completed auctions.

joelsabi
06-18-2009, 08:48 PM
on the left side click on "Recently Sold Items (http://auctions.nba.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/sold.d2w/report?wl=51136034&sort_order=priced)" and that will sold tonight's completed auctions.

thanks i found it. better than mlb auctions.

what are the los latina jerseys? what are they?

joelsabi
06-18-2009, 09:08 PM
thanks i found it. better than mlb auctions.

what are the los latina jerseys? what are they?

did you get mbenga jersey?

mbenga28
06-18-2009, 09:13 PM
thanks i found it. better than mlb auctions.

what are the los latina jerseys? what are they?

I didn't pay too much attention to those but I think it was for one of the NBA special events to honor the fans of the Latino community.

sox83cubs84
06-19-2009, 11:37 AM
mbenga28:
The jerseys, officially called "Noche Latina", or "Latino Night", were, as you surmised, worn for various Hispanic night celebrations at NBA games. Only a small number of teams wore these, though...the Knicks (Nuevo York), the Bulls (Los Bulls), the Suns (Los Suns), the Spurs (Los Spurs), the Mavericks (Los Mavs), and I may be forgetting one. All were home white styles, except for the Bulls (road red) and the Mavericks (alternate green).

Dave M.
Chicago area

mbenga28
06-19-2009, 12:35 PM
Hi Dave, thank you for filling us in. Didn't the Lakers and Heat also celebrate this event, I vaguely recall a friend saying something about Wade in those jerseys that he had a special night when he wore that.

nickacs
06-19-2009, 03:51 PM
Hi Dave, thank you for filling us in. Didn't the Lakers and Heat also celebrate this event, I vaguely recall a friend saying something about Wade in those jerseys that he had a special night when he wore that.

The Lakers were definitely another because I saw it under the 'Recently Sold' on NBA Auctions bought by our buddy Mr. jtnbafan :)
I'm not sure if the Heat were as I didn't see one on their auction list, but doesn't mean the Heat weren't represented during that timeperiod.