Derek Jeter HOF worthy?

[gameu08]

what are your thoughts on Derek Jeter think his career his a hof one?

mike

[BULBUS]

In 2 1/2 - 3 years, he will reach 3,000 hits, and that will solidify his HOF induction.

[mr.miracle]

Once he goes over 3000 hits in a couple of years he is a lock. Four world championships, over a 300 career average, 3000 hits. No questions. I would say he is close if not in now if he does not play another game.

[jetersbatboy]

In 2 1/2 - 3 years, he will reach 3,000 hits, and that will solidify his HOF induction.
I agree!!!

[gameu08]

jetersbatboy,

I am assuming you have alot of jeter game used items...was wondering what you have?

mike

[jetersbatboy]

I have only 1 game used auto Steiner bat. I one point I had a lot of gear and Bats. Maybe like 8 bats, 2 pairs of cleats, 2 pairs of batting gloves, jump man sweat bands, 3 hats, and a GU 2nd base auto. I sold it all, I was not happy with my collecting. I found it to be more fun to Collect Ichiro and Japanese baseball players in general. Its just more fun to me, and we collect to have fun. Don't get me wrong still a big Yankees and Jeter FAN!!!!!!!!!

[gameu08]

im looking for a jeter bat...not looking hard. but the prices are just insane which I can see why they are so high but well see what happens

[byergo]

He looks like a decent candidate in normal times, but with the looming dark cloud of steroids I wouldn't put any money on his or any current players chances.

[GarkoCollector]

He looks like a decent candidate in normal times, but with the looming dark cloud of steroids I wouldn't put any money on his or any current players chances.

If Jeter was on roids he'd be hitting more than 15 HR a year.

[byergo]

For me NO player no matter how great or marginal is beyond suspicion at this point. Everyone has been caught taking them from the home run studs, to minor league players trying to get a cup of coffee in the "big show."

[BULBUS]

He looks like a decent candidate in normal times, but with the looming dark cloud of steroids I wouldn't put any money on his or any current players chances.

There hasnt been an ounce of suspision surrounding Jeter. If you look at his consistant numbers and physical appearance, there is now way he used steroids. This will help his cause.

[suicide_squeeze]

Barring some insane event like confirmation that Jeter was one of the remaining "103" :eek: ......I would agree with everyone here.....he's a lock.

But I will also agree.......this is a brutal point in the history of the game, and NO ONE is considered sacred under the current time unbrella.

Can you guys just imagine if Ken Griffey Jr. was found to have used?

(Someone mentioned on another thread).....Cal Ripken Jr.???

I mean......we're talking about sacred players here, and Jeter has to be considered one of them. A beloved Yankee, 4-time World Series winner (to this point), lifetime .300+ hitter who WILL be in the 3,000 hit club? Yep, barring something unforseen, he's a first-round lock Hall of Famer.

[Vintagedeputy]

I cant believe that this is even a question! :)

Jeter is a first ballot HOF

[cjclong]

There is no question Jeter is HOF. In addition to his on the field achievements which are legitimate he is popular with the fans which is also a plus in the voting.

[frikativ54]

Yes. No explanation needed.

[byergo]

You want to talk about a sacred player, how about Nolan Ryan? How many 40 year olds still throw 95 mph (besides Nolan, Roger Clemens and maybe Satchell Paige--who was clean)?

[mariner_gamers]

Yup.

[3arod13]

I'll say it again and again. Yes, he will get in the hall of fame.

But if he played for another team, and never played for the Yankees, he'd be just another good player.

[sctizzle]

im looking for a jeter bat...not looking hard. but the prices are just insane which I can see why they are so high but well see what happens

E-mail me at sjnyr@aol.com as I have a 2008 available..

[jetersbatboy]

I'll say it again and again. Yes, he will get in the hall of fame.

But if he played for another team, and never played for the Yankees, he'd be just another good player. And just like always ever September, Arod will disapear.

[Manram]

Yep

[flaco1801]

im not a big fan of the yankees to say the least but jeter is a no question hall of famer

[xpress34]

You want to talk about a sacred player, how about Nolan Ryan? How many 40 year olds still throw 95 mph (besides Nolan, Roger Clemens and maybe Satchell Paige--who was clean)?

Well said!!! (see my board name... ;) )

[richpick]

Yes, even though he plays for a team I do not like

Richpick

[xpress34]

While I am by no means a Yankee fan, I do like some of their historical players (Mantle, Yogi and the like) as well as being a fan of Jeter's (I got his sig on a ball last time they were here in Denver - very good guy to the fans), but here an interesting tid-bit most people - including big time Yankees fans don't know...

Not only will Jeter make the HOF - but barring any injuries, he will become the 1st Yankee to join the 3,000 hit club.

Ruth - 2873
Mantle - 2415
DiMaggio - 2214
Berra - 2150
Maris - 1325
Mattingly - 2153
Gehrig - 2721

and you can't claim Boggs - 3010 - because his last 210 hits (including 3,000) came as a Tampa Bay Devil Ray

In fact, I don't think anyone has ever hit their 3,000 hit while playing in a Yankees uniform either...

And based on their career numbers, Jeter doesn't have to worry about having A-Rod beat him to it:

A-Rod - Games played 2042 - Hits 2404
Jeter - Games played 1985 - Hits 2535

So in 57 less games, Jeter has 131 more hits than A-Rod and based on A-Rod's season avg, that's about an entire season of hits ahead of A-Rod.

It will be fitting though that the 1st guy to hit 3,000 wearing Yankees pinstripes will be a guy who has been a Yankee his entire career - not someone who was close and was brought there just to get his 500th HR or 3,000 Hit.

Hope you all enjoyed the trivia.

All the best -

Chris

[frikativ54]

While I am by no means a Yankee fan, I do like some of their historical players (Mantle, Yogi and the like) as well as being a fan of Jeter's (I got his sig on a ball last time they were here in Denver - very good guy to the fans), but here an interesting tid-bit most people - including big time Yankees fans don't know...

Not only will Jeter make the HOF - but barring any injuries, he will become the 1st Yankee to join the 3,000 hit club.

Ruth - 2873
Mantle - 2415
DiMaggio - 2214
Berra - 2150
Maris - 1325
Mattingly - 2153
Gehrig - 2721

and you can't claim Boggs - 3010 - because his last 210 hits (including 3,000) came as a Tampa Bay Devil Ray

In fact, I don't think anyone has ever hit their 3,000 hit while playing in a Yankees uniform either...

And based on their career numbers, Jeter doesn't have to worry about having A-Rod beat him to it:

A-Rod - Games played 2042 - Hits 2404
Jeter - Games played 1985 - Hits 2535

So in 57 less games, Jeter has 131 more hits than A-Rod and based on A-Rod's season avg, that's about an entire season of hits ahead of A-Rod.

It will be fitting though that the 1st guy to hit 3,000 wearing Yankees pinstripes will be a guy who has been a Yankee his entire career - not someone who was close and was brought there just to get his 500th HR or 3,000 Hit.

Hope you all enjoyed the trivia.

All the best -

Chris

Thanks, Chris. That's good info. I don't think his superstar status has to do just with being a member of the Yankees. It certainly has something to do with it, but not everything. Jeter's not even my favorite player, but you've got to respect his pure hitting ability.

[xpress34]

I forgot to mention the following two players who also played for the Yankees at one point or another - but did NOT get their 3,000 hit as a Yankee:

Dave Winfield - 3110
Rickey Henderson - 3055

All the best -

Chris

P.S. - Leslie, glad you liked the info!

[3arod13]

And just like always ever September, Arod will disapear.

Why is it that some peple feel the need to attack others when they give their opinion?

What's this comment have to do with the subject, other than giving me a shot about Arod.

[jetersbatboy]

Tony,
We have bin threw this before, you always jab it in that jeter would be just another good player on anothet team. It's your opinion and mine is, if Arod played on another team, Jeter would have 5 rings.

[metsbats]

While I am by no means a Yankee fan, I do like some of their historical players (Mantle, Yogi and the like) as well as being a fan of Jeter's (I got his sig on a ball last time they were here in Denver - very good guy to the fans), but here an interesting tid-bit most people - including big time Yankees fans don't know...

Not only will Jeter make the HOF - but barring any injuries, he will become the 1st Yankee to join the 3,000 hit club.

Ruth - 2873
Mantle - 2415
DiMaggio - 2214
Berra - 2150
Maris - 1325
Mattingly - 2153
Gehrig - 2721

and you can't claim Boggs - 3010 - because his last 210 hits (including 3,000) came as a Tampa Bay Devil Ray

In fact, I don't think anyone has ever hit their 3,000 hit while playing in a Yankees uniform either...

And based on their career numbers, Jeter doesn't have to worry about having A-Rod beat him to it:

A-Rod - Games played 2042 - Hits 2404
Jeter - Games played 1985 - Hits 2535

So in 57 less games, Jeter has 131 more hits than A-Rod and based on A-Rod's season avg, that's about an entire season of hits ahead of A-Rod.

It will be fitting though that the 1st guy to hit 3,000 wearing Yankees pinstripes will be a guy who has been a Yankee his entire career - not someone who was close and was brought there just to get his 500th HR or 3,000 Hit.

Hope you all enjoyed the trivia.

All the best -

Chris


Chris,

That's a great observation. In additional to Boggs, Dave Winfield and Rickey Henderson are the other members of the 3,000 hits club who played for the Yankees but of course didn't get their 3,000th hit in pinstripes.

With a 4 World Championships and clutch performances in all the post season games and 3,000 hits Jeter is a lock for the Hall.

[xpress34]

On the subject of 3000 Hit Club Members, ONLY the following did it while playing for the same club since their Rookie Year:

Rose - 3164 w/ Reds before bouncing around
Cobb - 3900 w/ Tigers before going to A's
Aaron - 3600 w/ Braves (Milwaukee and Atlanta) before going to Brewers
Musial - 3630 - ALL w/ Cards (most balanced hits in MLB history here too - 1815 home / 1815 road)
Yaz - 3419 - ALL w/ Red Sox
Ripken - 3184 - ALL w/ Orioles
Brett - 3154 - ALL w/ Royals
Yount - 3142 - ALL w/ Brewers
Gwynn - 3141 - ALL w/ Padres
Biggio - 3060 - ALL w/ Astros
Kaline - 3007 - ALL w/ Tigers
Clemente - 3000 - ALL w/ Pirates

So when Jeter joins that list, he will be the first 'pure' Yankee to do it... pretty amazing given their history...

Here's another GREAT 3000 Hit Club Trivia for you...

Can you name the ONLY player to actually be wearing the Yankees pinstripes as a MEMBER of the 3000 hit club? (Obviously he had already hit 3,000 before he got there...)

Answer: Paul Waner - 3152... had 1 (yes ONE) hit for the Yanks in the 10 or so games he appeared in with them in 1944/45.

All the best -

Chris

[bigtime59]

Is Jeter worthy of the hall of fame? If you ignore his defense, yes. If you factor in his defense, he's a maybe.
Is he going to the hall of fame? No question, first ballot..Yankee$ captain...blah, blah, blah.
But if he'd been drafted by a team like the Royals, he'd already be out of the game, and this thread wouldn't exist.

[BULBUS]

Is Jeter worthy of the hall of fame? If you ignore his defense, yes. If you factor in his defense, he's a maybe.
Is he going to the hall of fame? No question, first ballot..Yankee$ captain...blah, blah, blah.
But if he'd been drafted by a team like the Royals, he'd already be out of the game, and this thread wouldn't exist.

I hate responding to comments like this, but are you serious??????? First of all, NO team is going to cut a .300 plus hitter. Second, as someone who has watched probably about 90% of the games that Jeter has played in, his defense is very good, not great, but very good. He is one of the best at catching the ball over his shoulder, he has made plays that are considered some of the all time greats (th diving into the stands catch and the flip to Posada at home plate to throw out Giambi in the playoffs).

I guess when your a Yankee and you've been so good for so long, all the Yankee haters have to find something negative to say about him.

[ldonley]

Yes, Jeter will be in the HOF.

If he was drafted by the Royals, I don't think he would be out of the game right now. He would be out of KC, picked up by New York in free agency.

[5kRunner]

Is Jeter worthy of the hall of fame? If you ignore his defense, yes. If you factor in his defense, he's a maybe.
Is he going to the hall of fame? No question, first ballot..Yankee$ captain...blah, blah, blah.
But if he'd been drafted by a team like the Royals, he'd already be out of the game, and this thread wouldn't exist.

Really? Are you serious?

Is Jeter over rated because he is the Yankee captain? Probably. But he is still a great player. I guess Robin Yount should feel lucky the Brewers held on to his worthless butt so long.

[metsbats]

Derek Jeter lifetime fielding percentage .975
Ozzie Smith lifetime fielding percentage .978

[nyjetsfan14]

Greatest winner of our baseball generation. Cornerstone of the 90's Yankees dynasty. Signature plays out the wazoo. Clutch clutch cluthch class class class. Embodies everything a HOFer should be. And this is from a true Yankee hater. Not only does he go in, he goes in backwards as one of the top if not the top player of his time. With so many American players backing out of the WBC or playing for other countries maybe sometime, knowing I'll get completely bashed to pieces, I'll start another thread about the few who still desire and feel an obligation to represent our country, the country that made them millionaires. Everytime USA baseball has called Jeter has always answered the call and I always respect him for that as well as being a credit to the game.

[bigtime59]

Derek Jeter lifetime fielding percentage .975
Ozzie Smith lifetime fielding percentage .978

Derek Jeter fielding range

vs
Ozzie Smith fielding range

Get the picture?

[bigtime59]

I keep forgetting this, and I know it's wrong of me: in Yankee$world, defense no longer counts for much. It's hard to have the patented Yankee$effinbaseball game (13-11, five hours average) if people actually get to balls in the infield, or catch them in the outfield. The shorter a game is, the less you can milk the meat in the seats. Silly me.
I'd forgotten that the object of this $200MM slow-pitch softball team was to see if you could have a SS at 3B, a 2B at SS, and a group of aged, immobile outfielders who can't throw the ball in on less than one bounce.
Mea Culpa, kiddies. Mea Culpa.
Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[Vintagedeputy]

Ozzie Smith on field acrobatics - a back flip

http://72.37.159.45/App_Themes/Images/Auctions_Images/603/thumbnails_bidding/38178.jpg


Derek Jeter on field acrobatics - a miracle flip!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sdjy5ngMcaY/SPD4bNVtE3I/AAAAAAAAByo/JvICFIAUjEI/s400/1090774694_f5b77f6324.jpg

See the difference?

[mr.miracle]

http://www.slate.com/id/2195149/

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=39394

http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/overview.asp
http://www.dogstreetjournal.com/story/2995

Jeter is a great player but please find me one person who is reputable in the world of baseball that considers him to be an above average to excellent fielder. Bigtime is right, his range is suspect at best.

[jetersbatboy]

I agree Jeter is not a great fielder but he is definitely not as bad as Bigtime is making him out to be. He is slightly above average, but makes up for it by making the play that count. His fielding will never be great, but his vision and instinct to Finnish a great play is second to none.

[mr.miracle]

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/emeigh_2002-11-03_0/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/78253-derek-jeter-slowing-down-the-worst-infielder-in-baseball

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/baseball/Yankees_Defense_Comes_Up_Short_in_Fielding_Bible_A wards.html

Just a few more. It is quite difficult to find anyone but Yankee fans who honestly feel that Jeter is a great fielder. Please don't cite gold gloves won because that is like fan balloting for the allstar game, the same guys win on reputation or perceived ability rather than reality.

Don't get me wrong, the guy is a HOF player but great fielder no quite.

[mr.miracle]

I agree Jeter is not a great fielder but he is definitely not as bad as Bigtime is making him out to be. He is slightly above average, but makes up for it by making the play that count. His fielding will never be great, but his vision and instinct to Finnish a great play is second to none.


I do not agree that had he broken into the bigs with the Royals that he would be out of baseball. While it certainly has helped him over the years having the type of protection in the lineup that he has had, the fact remains that he is a very good hitter that should finish with well over 3000 hits. Players like that would be good to great anywhere not just New York.

[mr.miracle]

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This is interesting from Baseball reference. I was actually thinking the same thing before looking this up. Jeter broke into the bigs at a relatively young age of 21 much like Robbie Alomar at 20. Their careers are very similar in terms of hitting. Alomar was on pace to crush 3000 hits but completely fell apart at age 34 and never recovered from injuries. Hopefully the same does not happen to Jeter. Alomar was generally injury free for most of his career and then the wheels fell off the cart in his mid 30's.

[Ozric]

Geez... The same two freakin plays over and over and over again... I watched Omar Vizquel make plays like that for years and no one cared because he was simply not wearing pinstripes. Yankee fan needs to quit milking the same two plays. When you start comparing his defensive skills to Ozzie Smith, that's when the thread needs to end.

[mr.miracle]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_weisman/02/03/defense.metrics/index.html

http://baseballguru.com/articles/analysismikehoban03.htm

http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/jeter-doesnt-want-to-switch-positions-not-yet-anyway/

Here are a few more but really, what do any of these people know? :rolleyes:

[skyking26]

Jeter is a no-brainer. In like flynn...

[Nathan]

Geez... The same two freakin plays over and over and over again... I watched Omar Vizquel make plays like that for years and no one cared because he was simply not wearing pinstripes. Yankee fan needs to quit milking the same two plays. When you start comparing his defensive skills to Ozzie Smith, that's when the thread needs to end.

No kidding. Consider the following Rate2 numbers (100 is average, over 100 is above average, below 100 is below average).

Ozzie Smith -- 111
Marty Marion -- 110
Honus Wagner -- 108
Barry Larkin -- 103
Rabbit Maranville -- 102
Derek Jeter -- 94
Jose Offerman -- 91

It's funny to hear about how "Jeter could have five rings". It's true. If he hadn't sucked so badly during the 2001 postseason, they certainly could have won a World Series that went down to the last hitter.

[bigtime59]

Ozzie Smith on field acrobatics - a back flip

http://72.37.159.45/App_Themes/Images/Auctions_Images/603/thumbnails_bidding/38178.jpg


Derek Jeter on field acrobatics - a miracle flip!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sdjy5ngMcaY/SPD4bNVtE3I/AAAAAAAAByo/JvICFIAUjEI/s400/1090774694_f5b77f6324.jpg

See the difference?

A "miracle flip"? If the idiot baserunner had slid, not so much...
Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[bigtime59]

I do not agree that had he broken into the bigs with the Royals that he would be out of baseball. While it certainly has helped him over the years having the type of protection in the lineup that he has had, the fact remains that he is a very good hitter that should finish with well over 3000 hits. Players like that would be good to great anywhere not just New York.

Yeah, the "out of baseball" thing was a bit of an exaggeration. "Playing second base for somebody" would probably have been more appropriate...:D
Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[mr.miracle]

Yeah, the "out of baseball" thing was a bit of an exaggeration. "Playing second base for somebody" would probably have been more appropriate...:D
Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

Mark, you crack me up. It will be interesting to see if Jeter holds to his stance that he wants to continue to play short. A tall shortstop playing SS as he ages through his mid to late 30's with deteriorating range is a touchy subject especially for the Yankee captain. Jeter will be what 35 this summer. A couple of more years and this might begin to become a sore subject.

[Yankwood]

I'll say it again and again. Yes, he will get in the hall of fame.

But if he played for another team, and never played for the Yankees, he'd be just another good player.How many "good" players collect 3000 hits? Jeter's great...

[3arod13]

How many "good" players collect 3000 hits? Jeter's great...

I'm not saying Jeter isn't a good player. I'm not saying Jeter isn't worthy of the HOF.

I'm just saying if he didn't start out with and play for the New York Yankees, he would be looking at different as a player, and probably wouldn't have 4 WS rings.

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face. Robert Horry of the NBA has 7 NBA championship rings, and he won't end up in the HOF. He is just a player who played on many great teams, and that's how he
7 rings.

Remember, Jeter didn't win those 4 rings by himself. Baseball is a team sport. Jeter is a good player, and his individual play is worthy of the HOF. But he didn't win 4 WS rings by himself. He was a good player on great teams.

Regards, Tony

[Mr.3000]

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.



Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....


He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.


My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.


Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.





















Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

[3arod13]

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.

Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....

He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.

My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.

Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

That is my point exactly. I'm also a Yankee fan and I like Jeter. Playing for the New York Yankees does make a difference. Well said!

[mr.miracle]

I'm not saying Jeter isn't a good player. I'm not saying Jeter isn't worthy of the HOF.

I'm just saying if he didn't start out with and play for the New York Yankees, he would be looking at different as a player, and probably wouldn't have 4 WS rings.

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face. Robert Horry of the NBA has 7 NBA championship rings, and he won't end up in the HOF. He is just a player who played on many great teams, and that's how he
7 rings.

Remember, Jeter didn't win those 4 rings by himself. Baseball is a team sport. Jeter is a good player, and his individual play is worthy of the HOF. But he didn't win 4 WS rings by himself. He was a good player on great teams.

Regards, Tony

Regarding Horry, not saying he should, in fact based on overall statistics he should not, but there is a contingent that has argued that he should be in the HOF. Arguably the greatest clutch shooter in the history of the NBA. He is the one guy that when the game was on the line, you never, ever wanted to let open yet teams did it time and time again. He really did come up big when it counted.

[Yankwood]

And he is going to retire with more hits than any player in the HISTORY of the New York Yankees. Think about that. Not the Gates-Chili Spartans. Not the East High Orientals. THE NEW YORK YANKEES. The most successful and storied team in the history of professional sports. The MOST. I'm not even talking about the rings. Although he did play a huge and I might add CLUTCH part in helping to garner those rings. If that doesn't mean anything then you just don't like the guy. And that's okay. We all have players we like and don't like. But there's no denying it. The guy's a great player. Remember, Hal Newhouser quit his job because the Asdtros didn't draft him with their first pick. He certainly hasn't disappointed Yankee fans. Another guy has though.

[CollectGU]

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.


The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.




Wow. tell that to Dan Marino. With them he is the greatest quaterback ever to play, wthout them there is a debate....Bradshaws' numbers without rings look average....To say 4 rings don't factor is silly...

Dave

[Mr.3000]

Wow. tell that to Dan Marino. With them he is the greatest quaterback ever to play, wthout them there is a debate....Bradshaws' numbers without rings look average....To say 4 rings don't factor is silly...

Dave



Let's read exactly what I said and comprehend it properly. I said rings don't make the player. Individual ability makes the player. Chad Curtis has rings, Jim Leyritz has rings, Mike Figga has rings..all with the Yankees. None of them are "great because they have WS rings". Even Posado (4 rings) won't be remembered as a "great" player. He's an ok catcher who happened to play on a dominant team.

Sad that I even had to elaborate on what I said and apparently explain it again.

[nyjetsfan14]

My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

If Michael Jordan were a, let's say, Los Angeles Clipper his entire career...and had not won any rings...than he would not make the HOF. See how ________ that arguement actually is?

[nyjetsfan14]

Many love to throw the 4 WS rings up in everyones face.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Good players don't go to the Hall, all major US sports are team sports, and comparing Jeter to a player in another sport is _________. 4 the clean way vs. none the dirty way no matter how you flip it.... Who knows, if A-Rod could make any type of post season clutch play in pintsripes maybe DJ would have more than 4 rings?

[bigtime59]

And he is going to retire with more hits than any player in the HISTORY of the New York Yankees. Think about that. Not the Gates-Chili Spartans. Not the East High Orientals. THE NEW YORK YANKEES. The most successful and storied team in the history of professional sports. The MOST. I'm not even talking about the rings. Although he did play a huge and I might add CLUTCH part in helping to garner those rings. If that doesn't mean anything then you just don't like the guy. And that's okay. We all have players we like and don't like. But there's no denying it. The guy's a great player. Remember, Hal Newhouser quit his job because the Asdtros didn't draft him with their first pick. He certainly hasn't disappointed Yankee fans. Another guy has though.

Given the massive financial advantage the Yankee$ have had over the rest of MLB since the 1920s, the wonder is that they didn't win all the WS championships...and drive the league out of business!
Despite the desires of Yankee$ fans everywhere, this isn't supposed to be the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals year in and year out...yet somehow, it' too often turned out that way.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: unless the Yankee$ are run by idiots or incompetents, THEY SHOULD NEVER LOSE. The gap between them and the next richest team is that great. Fortunately for the rest of us, other than the brief period of $teinbrenner's second "lifetime ban" from baseball when Gene Michael and Bob Watson built the foundation of the 1996-2000 team, they've bounced between incompetence and idiocy for most of the last 40 years.
As it stands, they're still the #1 argument for NFL-style revenue sharing for MLB.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com

[Yankwood]

Given the massive financial advantage the Yankee$ have had over the rest of MLB since the 1920s, the wonder is that they didn't win all the WS championships...and drive the league out of business!
Despite the desires of Yankee$ fans everywhere, this isn't supposed to be the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals year in and year out...yet somehow, it' too often turned out that way.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: unless the Yankee$ are run by idiots or incompetents, THEY SHOULD NEVER LOSE. The gap between them and the next richest team is that great. Fortunately for the rest of us, other than the brief period of $teinbrenner's second "lifetime ban" from baseball when Gene Michael and Bob Watson built the foundation of the 1996-2000 team, they've bounced between incompetence and idiocy for most of the last 40 years.
As it stands, they're still the #1 argument for NFL-style revenue sharing for MLB.

Mark
bigtime39@aol.com I'm sorry that you missed the point and that your obvious hatred for the franchise clouded your comprehension, but the post was in regards to Derek Jeter's accomplishments. Not the Yankees success. However, when you throw in what you poined out, his Yankee standing is even more impressive since he is being measured against all those other players the Yankees were able to buy. Thanks for pointing that out though. Most people aren't aware of the fact that the Yankees have had high payrolls...:rolleyes:

[Nathan]

I'll just add this.....soley my opinion.

The rings don't make the player. It's great that he has them, that's that.

Looking at Jeter as an individual player.....

Had he been on another team his entire career.....perhaps a team without the media attention that NY gets....

He would....in my opinion...be a Craig Biggio type player. Biggio will make the HOF purely on his 3000+ hits. other than that he wasn't a huge superstar. He was a good, quiet, consistant player who played the game the right way and played hard.

I see Jeter and Biggio as pretty similar TYPE of players.....albeit, Jeter is without a doubt the better hitter of the two.

My point, if Jeter were on....let's say KC his entire career.....and DID NOT get 3000 hits....he would NOT make the HOF. As it is now...if he retired today....he WOULD make the HOF...1st ballot.

Being a Yankee has it's advantages. Everyone knows this.

Psstt.....nobody should read the above incorrectly...I am a Jeter fan. Thought that should be mentioned before someone misconstrues what I am saying. As much as I am a fan, I am fair with my opinions of players. I don't idolize any of them.

Biggio is also among the top five or (at worst) top ten at his position in baseball history.

Jeter has to contend with (and fall short of) Wagner, Vaughan, Ripken, Ozzie, Larkin, Rodriguez, Banks....

[flaco1801]

you what some dont realize.. a mediocre player sometimes does better on a lesser team and heres why... look at a player like jeremy burnitz. he did so well because the brewers were out of so many games when he came the the plate down by 4 runs his home run didnt matter. Jeter is a money player, a clutch player they dont come by often, always in the right place at the right time... remember that play he was at homeplate to make that play thats why hes different.. and i hate the yankees but jeter is something special, he would have fit in with my generation of stars, simply the best... no question about his credentials..