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01-25-2009, 12:53 PM
Torre reportedly rips A-Rod, Cashman in book

Ex-manager says GM betrayed him, teammates called Rodriguez 'A-Fraud'

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Former New York Yankees manager Joe Torre rips general manager Brian Cashman and third baseman Alex Rodriguez in an upcoming book, the New York Daily News and New York Post reported Sunday.
In the book "The Yankee Years," Torre says Cashman "betrayed him on several fronts," the Daily News reported, while Rodriguez was called "A-Fraud" by teammates, the New York Post reported.
The 477-page book is written by longtime Sports Illustrated reporter Tom Verducci and recounts Torre's Yankees career through interviews, the Post reported.
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Torre left the Yankees after leading the team to four World Series crowns and signed a three-year, $13 million deal to manage the Los Angeles Dodgers in November 2007.
Torre has said in the past that Cashman support him in negotiations with Steinbrenner, although Torre was unhappy with the Yankees' final offer, a one-year deal which included incentives and a paycut from $7 million to $5 million.
Cashman said he never brought up Torre's request for a two-year contract, the book says.
Cashman declined comment on the book, ESPN reported, saying he didn't know the context of the comments.

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Fraudfinder!!
01-25-2009, 12:55 PM
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yanks12025
01-25-2009, 01:30 PM
Torre is a joke.

Rboitano
01-25-2009, 01:34 PM
Torre was just in the right place at the right time in New York. He never won anywhere else. They could have won without a manager those years.

schubert1970
01-25-2009, 02:18 PM
This is what happens when you start to believe your own exhaust.

cohibasmoker
01-25-2009, 02:27 PM
I don't think Torre is the first guy to rip either of these guys is he?

Jim

3arod13
01-25-2009, 02:29 PM
It's always easier to talk smack after you leave. Seems to be common with many.

suicide_squeeze
01-25-2009, 02:37 PM
Wow.......Not much love coming from the "New York" members....

This reminds me of the Boston bashing of Manny.

HOW can you people slam Torre like this? The man managed your team to 4 World Series victories! And you slam him because he voices his feelings on how he felt he was mistreated in negotiations......only to have the real class of the organization come out by completely leaving him off the "invite" list while all the Yankee Stadium celebrations were done with the closing of "The House That Ruth Built". Tha man is as much of Yankee Royalty as Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, or Derek Jeter.....what's wrong with you people?

Talk about believing "your own exhaust"......

yanks12025
01-25-2009, 02:49 PM
suicide_squeeze,
LA had a game that night so im sure he was not able to come. And i could have managed the yankees with the players he was given(Future yankees GM or Manager)

suicide_squeeze
01-25-2009, 02:57 PM
suicide_squeeze,
LA had a game that night so im sure he was not able to come. And i could have managed the yankees with the players he was given(Future yankees GM or Manager)

I remember that argument (Torre's words himself that he probably wouldn't have been able to make it anyways).....but how do you argue with the fact that he wasn't even mentioned, or a picture shown of him during the whole celebration?

I don't buy it. The Yankees showed the true colors of their ownership and mangement. They have true heritage and history, and are one of the most decorated teams in MLB history for more than one reason.......but the current group running the Yankees is a vindictive grudge-holding bunch that really turns on ANYONE that doesn't follow their ways.

And in regards to whomever being able to manage that team to 4 World Series victories.....Couldn't we say that about ANY World Championship team? If they are so loaded with talent, it's an argument any of us could make.......so I don't buy that either.

3arod13
01-25-2009, 03:14 PM
Wow.......Not much love coming from the "New York" members....

This reminds me of the Boston bashing of Manny.

HOW can you people slam Torre like this? The man managed your team to 4 World Series victories! And you slam him because he voices his feelings on how he felt he was mistreated in negotiations......only to have the real class of the organization come out by completely leaving him off the "invite" list while all the Yankee Stadium celebrations were done with the closing of "The House That Ruth Built". Tha man is as much of Yankee Royalty as Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, or Derek Jeter.....what's wrong with you people?

Talk about believing "your own exhaust"......

As I stated, "It's always easier to talk smack after you leave. Seems to be common with many."

Not an attack directly at Torre, but many of those who do it after they leave. Very common these days. I don't pay much mind to it. In many of these cases, there are always bad feelings when things like this happen, so many do their talking afterwards.

33bird
01-25-2009, 06:19 PM
I like Torre better than Arod-who doesn't? That's crap about "who couldn't win a title with all the talent he had." What's the Yankees excuse the last 8 years then? Highest paid team the last 8 years running and they can't win crap. Torre goes to Dodgers and gets them in the playoffs his first year there. I'm not a big Torre fan either, but I respect the man. That's more than I can say for the Yankees and Arod.
Greg

metsbats
01-25-2009, 06:46 PM
I think the timing of the book is strange. Typically you write a book like this after your career is over and you are out of the sport. Torre is still active.

Maybe Joe want to get his jabs in while Steinbrenner is still alive.

jetersbatboy
01-25-2009, 08:35 PM
Well, ESPN is reporting that those comment where not made by Torre. The book is being written in the third person, and is from Tom Verducci point of view. Wow how people are quick to jump the gun. Torre was a great manger and a great Yankee. Appreciate the man that lead the Yankees to 4 World Series Titles.

suicide_squeeze
01-25-2009, 10:16 PM
Well, ESPN is reporting that those comment where not made by Torre. The book is being written in the third person, and is from Tom Verducci point of view. Wow how people are quick to jump the gun. Torre was a great manger and a great Yankee. Appreciate the man that lead the Yankees to 4 World Series Titles.

Gee, what a surprise.

Who would have thought that a class act like Torre WOULDN'T have made those comments?........Hmmmmmmmmm........

Oh, I don't know......maybe 5 or 6 million fans?

suave1477
01-26-2009, 09:51 AM
WOW AGAIN I AM SHOCKED AT SO MANY OF YOU - ESPECIALLY 3AROD13.

Talk smack after he leaves????? What smart personw ould talk smack while you there?????? As they saying goes you don't sh%^ where you eat....

Hes no longer there!!!

I will agree partially with you about the (titles, talent and Torre). Wow sounds like a good book lollol:D
Yes Torre had a championship talent caliber team, but a team can't get there with out direction. Point Blank!!

As far as him ripping players and managemant have you forgotten all the controversy he was put through esepcially within in his last years as manager. How every year Steinbrenner threatened him of having a job or getting resigned unless he got the team to the post season???? It was all over the newspapers every year how management was treating Torre..... Do you actually expect him to have nothing to say back???
As far as ripping players realisticallt he had to be one of the nicest interviewers to the New York media when AROD and others constantly screwing up and took tons of heat by the press that it was his fault and then management would even come down more on him.

ARE YOU REALLY ALL THAT SHOCKED THAT THE BEAST HAS BEEN AWAKENED????

I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING IT WAS JUST A MTTER OF TIME.

THIHNK ABOUT AFTER 10 YEARS OR SO HOW QUIET AND NICE AND POLITE HE WAS ABOUT EVERYTHING ALL THOSE YEARS!!!

kellsox
01-26-2009, 11:58 AM
Being a great manager isn't just winning championships with the talent on the field, its managing the personalities/egos in the clubhouse and Torre was great at that.
Of coarse he was going to wait until he left to say things about players/management- why would he do it while still there???

I think the book should have been written when he is out of the game- very possible that he may need to work with individuals mentioned in the book.

The A-Fraud stuff are consistent with what has been said about him for years. The only difference is that its coming from a coach that is universally respected around the game.
k

3arod13
01-26-2009, 01:59 PM
WOW AGAIN I AM SHOCKED AT SO MANY OF YOU - ESPECIALLY 3AROD13.

Talk smack after he leaves????? What smart personw ould talk smack while you there?????? As they saying goes you don't sh%^ where you eat....

Hes no longer there!!!

I will agree partially with you about the (titles, talent and Torre). Wow sounds like a good book lollol:D
Yes Torre had a championship talent caliber team, but a team can't get there with out direction. Point Blank!!

As far as him ripping players and managemant have you forgotten all the controversy he was put through esepcially within in his last years as manager. How every year Steinbrenner threatened him of having a job or getting resigned unless he got the team to the post season???? It was all over the newspapers every year how management was treating Torre..... Do you actually expect him to have nothing to say back???
As far as ripping players realisticallt he had to be one of the nicest interviewers to the New York media when AROD and others constantly screwing up and took tons of heat by the press that it was his fault and then management would even come down more on him.

ARE YOU REALLY ALL THAT SHOCKED THAT THE BEAST HAS BEEN AWAKENED????

I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING IT WAS JUST A MTTER OF TIME.

THIHNK ABOUT AFTER 10 YEARS OR SO HOW QUIET AND NICE AND POLITE HE WAS ABOUT EVERYTHING ALL THOSE YEARS!!!

Not sure why you specifically called me out on this. However, reread my comments:

As I stated, "It's always easier to talk smack after you leave. Seems to be common with many."

Not an attack directly at Torre, but many of those who do it after they leave. Very common these days. I don't pay much mind to it. In many of these cases, there are always bad feelings when things like this happen, so many do their talking afterwards.

This was not directed at Torre. Only a comment in reference to many people do this after they leave.

Regards, Tony

Fraudfinder!!
01-27-2009, 08:01 PM
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