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suave1477
11-04-2008, 11:23 AM
I am a Yankee fan and I was even shocked about this one, I mean I can admit he is not the best but the worst????????

'WORST' FIELDER IN MAJORS


By JUSTIN TERRANOVA
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Last updated: 9:40 am
November 4, 2008
Posted: 3:03 am
November 4, 2008
A group that tracks every ball hit in the majors says Derek Jeter (http://www.nypost.com/news/p/jeter_derek/jeter_derek.htm) is the worst fielder in baseball.
Stats guru Bill James, author of the "Baseball Abstract," and a panel of nine other voters, ranked Jeter 22nd among all major-league shortstops, with one calling Jeter "the least effective defensive player in the major leagues, at any position."
Jeter received one 10th-place vote in balloting for the 2008 Fielding Bible Awards, announced yesterday. One panel member comes from Baseball Info Solutions (BIS), a group that ... well, just say they do their research.
"They watched film of every major-league game, and had recorded every ball off the bat by the direction in which it was hit [the vector], the type of hit [groundball, flyball, line-drive, popup, etc.] and by how hard the ball was hit [softly hit, medium, hard hit]," according to James.
In an earlier article that appears on James' Fielding Bible Web site, BIS ripped Jeter.
"They had analyzed the outcomes to determine who was best at turning hit balls into outs," James wrote. "One of their conclusions was that Jeter was probably the least effective defensive player in the major leagues, at any position."
On this year's list, Mets (http://shots.snap.com/explore/58659/?key=06028f986cd52d8275d29a0001c8914b&svc=Snap_Shot_Custom%257CNew_York_Post%257CNYPost_ Sports_Teams%257CWithAds&tag=New%20York%20Mets&src=pub-1236470-www.nypost.com&cp=&asp=Mets&dfs=10&tol=engage)New York Mets http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.54.0.1/t.gif hater and World Series champion Jimmy Rollins topped the list of shortstops, followed by the Brewers' J.J. Hardy, the Braves' Yunel Escobar, the Angels' Erick Aybar, the Pirates' Jack Wilson, the White Sox' Orlando Cabrera, the Cardinals' Cesar Iztruis, the Rockies' Troy Tulowitzki, the Giants (http://shots.snap.com/explore/73566/?key=06028f986cd52d8275d29a0001c8914b&svc=Snap_Shot_Custom%257CNew_York_Post%257CNYPost_ Sports_Teams%257CWithAds&tag=New%20York%20Giants&src=pub-1236470-www.nypost.com&cp=&asp=the%20Giants&dfs=10&tol=engage)New York Giants http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.54.0.1/t.gif' Omar Vizquel and the Mets' Jose Reyes (http://shots.snap.com/explore/10620/?key=06028f986cd52d8275d29a0001c8914b&svc=Snap_Shot_Custom%257CNew_York_Post%257CNYPost_ Sports_Players%257CWithAds&tag=Jose%20Reyes&src=pub-1236470-www.nypost.com&cp=&asp=Jose%20Reyes&dfs=10&tol=engage)Jose Reyes http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.54.0.1/t.gif.
With the exception of Vizquel, who has 11 Gold Gloves, the rest of the group has four combined - one more than the apparently defensively challenged Jeter.
Jeter is no stranger to statistically questioned fielding. A Penn University study released in February found Jeter to be the worst shortstop in the majors.
"Maybe it was a computer glitch," Jeter told The Post during spring training. "Every [shortstop] doesn't stay in the same spot, every one doesn't have the same pitching. Every one doesn't have the same hitters running. It's impossible to do that."
Carlos Beltran was the only New York player to take the top spot at his position, finishing tops among center fielders. He can put this nerdy prize next to his two actual Gold Gloves.
Major League Baseball will announce this year's Gold Glove winners this month.
The complete Fielding Bible award winners: P, Kenny Rogers, Detroit; C, Yadier Molina, Cardinals; 1B, Albert Pujols, Cardinals; 2B, Brandon Phillips, Reds; 3B, Adrian Beltre, Mariners; SS, Jimmy Rollins, Phillies; LF, Carl Crawford, Rays; CF, Carlos Beltran, Mets; RF Franklin Gutierrez, Indians.

chakes89
11-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Most people recognize him as one of the most overrated players in Major League Baseball

I think he was even given that title in a vote by MLB players

Vintagedeputy
11-04-2008, 12:53 PM
Absolute hogwash!

Jeter is one of the best, and will always be regarded as one of the best.

That's some anti-Yankee nonsense being perpetrated.

3arod13
11-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Absolute hogwash!

Jeter is one of the best, and will always be regarded as one of the best.

That's some anti-Yankee nonsense being perpetrated.

I know what you mean. Just like all that anti-Arod nonsense being perpetrated.

David
11-04-2008, 01:33 PM
Don't be disparaging hogwash.

AWA85
11-04-2008, 01:40 PM
Yankee fans make me laugh sometimes, almost like they can't face any kind of negative comment about their team.

On the other hand, I think Jeter is a little overrated but I would take him in Cincy in a minute! Many of the Yankees players and PROSPECTS get a little over hyped just because they are Yankees but that is the nature of the beast.

Lokee
11-04-2008, 02:25 PM
I can understand the A-Rod hate but Jeter is not really that bad of a fielder.

3arod13
11-04-2008, 02:53 PM
I can understand the A-Rod hate but Jeter is not really that bad of a fielder.

Any why is that?

Vintagedeputy
11-04-2008, 04:03 PM
Don't be disparaging hogwash.

I have enough hogwash in my life - I just had a voicemail message from Barack Obama, King of nonsense and hogwash! :)

Nathan
11-04-2008, 06:47 PM
Jeter is marginally better than Jose Offerman in the field.

There, I said it.

59FIFTY
11-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Jeter is one of the worst defensive players, end of discussion it's true get over it!:cool:

joelsabi
11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
one of the great thing about a HOF Robin Yount was his acceptance of changing field position from ss to cf for the betterment of the team. there have been discussion of this move for Jeter in the past so this is nothing new. even arod made a position change from ss to 3b.

jetersbatboy
11-05-2008, 01:52 PM
Jeter will probably have to change position in the next few years. But he's not close to being the worst fielder. Mark Reynolds had 35 errors playing the same position this season.

cjclong
11-06-2008, 12:02 PM
While there may be some with more physical skills than Jeter he is not overrated, he is a winner. Look at all the big hits he's gotten over the years. As far as being a bad fielder, does anyone really think the Yankees went to all those playoffs and world series with the worst fielder in baseball at shortstop. Does not happen. That is so obviously baloney (using a nice word for it) that it does not heed to be addressed.

earlywynnfan
11-06-2008, 01:25 PM
I'm impressed that so many here on the forum know more than Bill James! And I'm assuming their data comes from, uh, watching some games on TV??

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Vintagedeputy
11-06-2008, 01:42 PM
Show me another player that does this...
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-792550.jpg?size=67&uid={bf50ea25-b563-4891-b79d-338518e1e95d}

and this........
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-798947.jpg?size=67&uid={e72246ec-11f3-4414-9e8b-b03476c17d4d}

and then leaves the field like this.......
http://pro.corbis.com/images/DWF15-798946.jpg?size=67&uid={9bcfaeb4-c0ac-44c7-97ed-cccb2a40a65f}

and then we'll talk about the worst fielders in baseball.....

3arod13
11-06-2008, 01:44 PM
His performance has declined over the past few years, but he's not the worse fielder in baseball.

AWA85
11-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Ryan Freel fears nothing, but his main reason for diving into the stands is to grab a fan's cold adult beverage. ;)

cjclong
11-06-2008, 02:06 PM
Statistics are not everything. That's why we have the saying, "Lies,damned lies and statistics." Can Bill James give me stats that show teams with horrible fielding shortstops consistently go to the playoffs and World Series? If he can't then his stats are meaningless.

David
11-06-2008, 06:25 PM
Team w/l as sole determinant of a player's ability, much less his fielding skill, is a weak argument. If you put a 28 year old Jerry Rice on the 2008 Detroit Lions, the Detroit Lions would still suck. That the Lions would suck either way, doesn't prove much about Jerry Rice's skills.

bubbrubb25
11-06-2008, 07:31 PM
???? Jimmy just won a gold glove!

cjclong
11-07-2008, 08:40 AM
The play Jeter made in the playoff series against Oakland where he went far out of position across the first base line into foul territory to grab an errant throw from the outfield and shovel the ball to Posoda to get the runner at the plate the saved the game for the Yankees and turned the playoff series around and led to their going to the World Series. To Bill James that would just be one more fielding play. But it wasn't just one more ordinary fielding chance, just another stat . That play meant everything. That's why James stats can mean something, but they can also mean nothing.