boggs bat?

[momen55]

mike and or brian;
what is the difference between a C235C and C235L? i won one from the 86-89 period and the barrel label is C235? since i don't have it yet, it is either 34 or 34.5. i will assume C is for cupped?

[MSpecht]

Here is some info on Boggs use of model C235 bats during the 1986-89 H & B labeling period.

1) all model C235 bats that did not have cupped ends were not sent to Boggs for his professional use during that labeling period. All were sent to various promotional companies, including Anaconda-kaye, Hamps Coins & Stamps, Gale Ward Athletics, etc. These bats were sent in lengths of both 34 inches and 34.5 inches.

2) All model C235 bats during that l;abeling period that were sent to Boggs for his personal use had a cupped barrel end, and are designated as such (C235C) in the H & B records. These bats were sent in lengths of 34 inches (about 5%) and 34.5% (about 95%.) However, some cupped end bats were sent to promotional companies as well.

3) For a cupped end signature model C235C Boggs bat from the 1986-89 labeling, the presence of key Boggs individual player characteristics is necessary. Post a photo of the bat, along with the dimensions, etc when it arrives and Jim Caravello will be able to help you out further.

$) For the record--

model C235 indicates that the bat was the 235th model variation that was made for a player whose last name began with the letter C after this identification system was put into place in the early 1940s.

C235C desinates a model C235 bat with a cupped end

C235L designates a model C235 bat with a Large (or Ruth) knob.

Good Luck

Mike Jackitout7@aol.com

[momen55]

then i got screwed!
i bought it from b&e as a gamer. caked tar like i have seen on his bats and old #26 on knob. i emailed them prior to buying but never got a reply regarding length! damn!

[momen55]

these are the pics from b&e. it clearly shows an uncupped end.
11826

11827

[momen55]

from what i see in the records, he ordered uncupped models prior to 86. so from what i see, this bat obviously from 86-89, but i can't make out if the end is cupped?

[MSpecht]

Here are Boggs' earlier (pre-1986) C235 uncupped Flame Treated Finish orders:
2/9/83 -- 34.5 inches --6 bats
1/22/85-- 34 inches--6 bats

Here are the documented C235 Flame Treated Finish bats from 1986-89 period:
11/9/87 34 in-- 2 bats -- BB Promotions
1/20/88--34 in -- 1 bat-- BB Promotions
6/21/89--34.5 in--72 bats--Anaconda-Kaye
8/4/89--34.5 in--48 bats--Anaconda-Kaye
9/20/89--34 in--2 bats--BB Promotions11/30/89-- 34.5 in --slight FT--3 bats--BB Miscellaneous

Remember two other things also-- C235 is a Boggs Pro Stock model, so numerous uncupped C235 bats could have been ordered by any team (team index bats) and been used by any player in the organization, including Boggs. Also, bats were sent to Anaconda-Kaye and other promotional companies (as well as minor league teams) into the 1990's with 1986-89 H & B labeling on them.

When the bat arrives, post the length, a close-up of the handle tar pattern, and a close-up of the number on the knob and get Jim's input.

Mike Jackitout7@aol.com

[momen55]

wow! alot of promos! at this point, i may not keep the bat when it arrives. i will post pics anyway when it does arrive.

[momen55]

this is what i got; not happy at all!!!
it is 34.375 inches, very light. looks like a kids bat:mad:
11882

11883

11884

11885

i need some answers because it is going back! if it would have been cupped, i wouldn't mind. but not this.

[momen55]

it doesn't have any use either; ball marks, rack marks, etc. the wood has knots in it also. i don't think boggs would have used bats with knots in them!!!!:mad:

[MSpecht]

Here is a useful link regarding game used characteristics of Boggs bats (to compare with the bat you received) courtesy of Andy Benish and Jim Caravello.... http://www.vintagebats.com/feature_page-Wade%20Boggs.htm

Mike jackitout7@aol.com

[JimCaravello]

Hi guys - I have been watching the thread - been traveling this week and thought I would post once the new photos were up and you received the bat.

Here are my thoughts:


The "26" on the knob actually looks ok for that time period.
The tar application does not look correct at all - it appears to have been wiped or brushed on evenly. I would be concerned with that.
With tar in the center location like you would see - you would also tend to see an application around the lower handle near the knob - that would concern me in this case with the lack of tar at the lower end of the handle.
Use should be consistent with the amount of tar. If you do not see any ball marks, rack marks, cleat marks, etc. and it has the amount of pine tar pictured - that is a red flag for sure.
It's hard to tell the wood quality from the pics you have - but if there are knots in the wood, I agree - it is unlikely that Boggs would use a bat like that.The "26" may be legitimate and penned by Boggs The bat may have made it into Boggs hands - then signed - never used and someone added the tar later?

Or - Boggs added the tar, penned the knob, signed it and never used it?

Tough to tell without seeing it in person.

I would personally return the bat because of Bullet Points 2, 3 and 4 above AND the fact that Mike pointed out earlier that no C235 bats ( non-cupped ) were ordered by the Red Sox during the 86-89 period. There are too many Anaconda Kay bats and promotional / miscellaneous orders for this model during this period. I am sure the seller would accept a return.

Let me know how else I can help - thanks, Jim

[momen55]

thanks jim.
now i have to deal with the seller in sending it back. i bought it from B&E which i have never delt with before. i hope joe takes it back. :mad:

[momen55]

i talked with joe at B&E and told him about the bat. he was very nice and apologized for the error. appearently he didn't know the bat was not ligit.