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Eric
02-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Ok-
Everyone scours ebay for bargains. Now it's time to gloat. Show us your steals found on ebay. Here's a couple of mine

1995 Leslie O'Neal Pro Bowl jersey for $63
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Football/Leslie%20ONeal/HPIM1843.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Football/Leslie%20ONeal/HPIM1841.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Football/Leslie%20ONeal/HPIM1842.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Football/Leslie%20ONeal/HPIM2203.jpg
1980s Washington Generals Autographed Red Klotz Jersey for $107.50
He was a player/coach for the teams that played the Globetrotters!
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Basketball/Harlem%20Globetrotters/HPIM2530.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Basketball/Harlem%20Globetrotters/HPIM2531.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/Game%20Used%20Collection/Basketball/Harlem%20Globetrotters/HPIM2529.jpg
Eric

Vintagedeputy
02-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Mark Grace game used bat from his final season, given to former teammate Scott Service as a gift. Service gave the bat to a police officer and I bought it from the police officer for $50 through ebay.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/777/grace1el2.jpg

jonincleve
02-26-2008, 04:19 PM
buddy bell 1978 cleveland indians red jersey and 1982 texas rangers jersey purchased from the same seller in two auctions. they were listed as a 'bell' jersey. the red jersey was my holy grail of items wanted,i looked at least 15 years for it. i purchased both of them for under $1000 total. i would have paid a lot more for the red jersey alone. to me it was a steal.

take care
john

earlywynnfan
02-26-2008, 05:58 PM
Not MY steal, but someone out there took a Goose Gossage bat right out from under me!

A few years ago, I was surfing ebay late one night and someone posted a Goose GU bat with a BIN at $100. I thought "Holy Crap!" and clicked over to baseball-almanac.com to check that the number on the knob, and it checked out. By the time I clicked back (what, 30 seconds??), someone snatched it up.

Who got this steal? Are you out there??

Ken

kylehess10
02-26-2008, 05:59 PM
I've had tons of steals on eBay but here are my best:


Kurt Abbott 2000 World Series Game 5 Bat---$75---After the purchase, I come to find several photomatched pictures of Derek Jeter holding the bat after Abbott shattered it

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/abbottbat1.jpg

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/abbottbatphoto1.jpg

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/abbottbatphoto2.jpg

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/abbottbat7.jpg




Rafael Furcal game worn 2nd homerun 2003 season cleats---$79---After the purchase, I found out that his 2nd homerun of the 2003 season just so happened to be an 11th inning game-winning homerun.

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/Furcal03-medium.jpg



Felipe Lopez game worn 2006 helmet---$100---After the purchase, the seller e-mailed me a photomatched picture, but I ended up finding another photomatched picture from May 10th,2006, when Lopez stole 4 bases in one game, all while wearing this helmet

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/lopezhelmet1-medium.jpg

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/lopezhelmet2-medium.jpg

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gameused/lopezhelmetphotomatch2.JPG

dwolfe12345
02-27-2008, 12:28 AM
This is probably in my top 3 favorite game used items that I own, and it was a steal in my book. I saw these Torii Hunter 06 game used cleats going off at 3 am one night and I didnt think I would be able to afford them. I stayed up but the price never did go any higher! I do believe with shipping I ended up getting these for $75. I also photomatched them to the game the guy said he got them from.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/tartz_cbp/hunter3.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/tartz_cbp/hunter2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/tartz_cbp/hunter1.jpg




I also got these shoes at a steal of a price. I met a guy on Ebay after I bought some shoes from him. He offered me Shaun Livingston game used shoes for 35 and I decided to buy them. I bought a red, white, and blue pair from him.......or so I thought. He ended up sending me the pair below and I was MAD!!!! I didnt like that pair, until I photo matched them as 06 playoff shoes. That was the only time he ever wore this style, and I even matched them down to the marks on the shoes. I bought the photo from Getty, blew it up and had Shaun sign the photo. I plan on getting the photo and shoes framed together.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/tartz_cbp/sdot_GU.jpg

Blitzmaster
02-27-2008, 01:28 AM
I have had some pretty good steals,

1988 or 1989 Warren Sapp$212.00 delevered($200 BIN came up about 1:00 am)

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/blitzmaster77/ebay052.jpg?t=1204092766

2000 Jason Taylor for $250.00 BIN a couple of years ago

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/blitzmaster77/ebay060.jpg?t=1204092960

and my favorite is this Walter Jones Rookie picked up for $60.00 as the seller thought he was a common player and had "seahawksjersey" as his listing. Comes with a letter signed by Jones himself!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc07b3127cceb63611b7277400000025102AZOG7Ro3bMt

frikativ54
02-27-2008, 01:51 AM
Am I the only one who occasionally emails sellers that their prices are too low?

Yankwood
02-27-2008, 03:38 AM
Am I the only one who occasionally emails sellers that their prices are too low?I hope so ! ! !

Nnunnari
02-27-2008, 08:57 PM
Please stop telling sellers their prices are too low, it's their job to do their homework and we love bargain hunting!

camarokids
02-27-2008, 09:17 PM
I won on ebay almost two years ago a Greg Vaughn Sam Bat (see pictures) off ebay for only $15 plus shipping . The bat has so much use ,it is amazing .

The seller posted crappy pictures on the auction , so I had him email me better pictures .

After I won the auction , that is when the fun started . It took me about three months to receive the bat . The seller claimed the bat was damaged through transit by UPS and that UPS told him the bat was beaten up and he was filing an insurance claim .

I was trying to tell the seller just have UPS ship me the bat and if I am not happy with it I will file a claim . For I had a feeling UPS was describing game use not actual damage .

Well after many heated emails back and forth , I told the seller I was in touch w/ a UPS supervisor and I would email copies of invoices to the supervisor at UPS to make sure he only received $15 for the bat instead of the $100 it was insured for . This changed the sellers tune pretty quick . I finally received the bat in perfect game used condition .

I emailed the ebay seller after I received the bat and explained the bat was in great shape . I have never seen a seller leave positive feedback so quickly . I gave him positive feedback despite the trouble....

10257

frikativ54
02-27-2008, 11:02 PM
Please stop telling sellers their prices are too low, it's their job to do their homework and we love bargain hunting!

I just like the price to be fair for all. There are some times I am happy to get a great deal. But when the seller is in danger of being ripped off, then something needs to be said. That's especially the case when an item is misrepresented or the seller doesn't know an item's true value. We should really be careful not to take advantage of people.

dcrules01
02-27-2008, 11:14 PM
$149 on ebay it is the only one I have seen ever Turk Wendell game worn NY Cubans jersey.I am looking for the date the game was played..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/marion003.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/marion004.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/marion005.jpg

camarokids
02-27-2008, 11:56 PM
I just like the price to be fair for all. There are some times I am happy to get a great deal. But when the seller is in danger of being ripped off, then something needs to be said. That's especially the case when an item is misrepresented or the seller doesn't know an item's true value. We should really be careful not to take advantage of people.

I agree ! But if people are dumb enough not to do some simple research before selling an item ? They have a computer , put the damn thing to work !

In my case , the seller is selling a FREAKING SAM BAT and post a picture of the back side of the bat . Sam Bats sell usually somewhat higher than others , in my opinion . I don't the seller lost out too bad . Maybe $30.00 , maybe more , if he had better photos .

A Mizuno of Vaughns just sold for $25.50 plus $15 shipping on ebay . The Mizuno auction could have gone higher but I stopped bidding at $25.00 because I already have two of them .

Vintagedeputy
02-28-2008, 12:44 AM
I just like the price to be fair for all. There are some times I am happy to get a great deal. But when the seller is in danger of being ripped off, then something needs to be said. That's especially the case when an item is misrepresented or the seller doesn't know an item's true value. We should really be careful not to take advantage of people.


I disagree totally. Its the sellers responsibility to be aware of what he is selling, period. If someone undersells an item, well, crap happens.....

"Let the seller beware" is just as good of advice as "Let the buyer beware".

Jim

godwulf
02-28-2008, 10:18 AM
A while back, I happened to be doing a team name search on eBay, and came across a 2001 World Series-marked Danny Bautista LS gamer - only the second WS-marked bat I've ever seen from that Series - listed in the wrong category - I think it was under something like "Fan Souvenirs and Memorabilia". Probably as a result of that, there was very little bidding, and I ended up winning the auction for 46 bucks.

No, I didn't contact the Seller before the auction ended and suggest that they pull it and relist it under "Game Used", in order to increase the bidding. I did come here to gloat, though, as I recall. :D

Sometimes, it's best not to say anything after the auction, either. I remember a few years ago, winning a couple of signed gamers (they were even in bat tubes) for $12.50 each, from a Seller who lived nearby and had found them at an estate sale, and telling the guy (after I had the bats in hand) that they were selling in the Team Shop at the stadium for just about twenty times that amount. I thought the man was gonna cry.

suave1477
02-28-2008, 10:51 AM
I just like the price to be fair for all. There are some times I am happy to get a great deal. But when the seller is in danger of being ripped off, then something needs to be said. That's especially the case when an item is misrepresented or the seller doesn't know an item's true value. We should really be careful not to take advantage of people.

Dont forget your assuming the seller doesnt know what the bat is worth, maybe the seller does know what it's worth and just wants to get rid of it because they have no interest in it.
Then you turn around begging them to "please charge me more for your bat" (this was a metaphor - didn't mean actual begging)

cohibasmoker
02-28-2008, 11:02 AM
Attached is a Duke football that I got from eBay. The ball was offered with a "Buy It Now" price of $150.00 - so I bought it immediately.

The football has been re-sold but I have to make one additional comment, when I saw it, I could not believe my eyes.

Jim

AWA85
02-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Thought I would learn to post my first picture today and show something I consider a steal. Picked up a 2004 Sean Casey game used Reds jersey for $107. Pretty good for a fan favorite of many Reds fans.


file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Adam%20Albertsen/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/e44f_1.JPG

worldchamps
03-07-2008, 05:38 PM
These were listed as Jimmy Jackson shoes....if you are familar with autographs you will quickly tell these are not Jackson's....but Dominique Wilkins...I got them for a very, very good price
http://i18.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/dd/b1/a33c_1.JPG

lund6771
03-07-2008, 09:14 PM
champpsssss.....cool deal!!!!!

beavisrules
03-09-2008, 08:18 AM
Interestingly, my ebay steals have been in varying flavors. Some were for bad titles, some were for wrong category, and some I still to this day have not figured out how I got so cheap (listed correctly in title and category).

Probably one of the most blatant was listed as "Notre Dame Practice Jersy". The winning bid was $25.49 (by me) - it actually had another bidder on the item. It ended up being a signed, game used away jersey from the late 1980s (possibly 1988 - national championship season - but haven't photomatched it yet) with incredible wear. For those of you who know anything about Notre Dame jerseys, any jerseys pre-1991 are rare, especially from the 1988 season.

Dewey2007
03-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Picked up this Game Used 2006 Dontrelle Willis alternate jersey on eBay for $300 which was a steal for me.

godwulf
03-17-2008, 10:34 AM
2005 Royce Clayton Diamondbacks gamer. Winning bid: $16.

http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/e0/6b/acb6_1.JPG

3arod13
03-26-2008, 05:35 AM
Derek Jeter Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Signed Game Used Minor League Bat - $200

nycsports
03-26-2008, 09:08 AM
That's a nice Jeter bat! My best ebay steal was $99 for a baseball signed by Joe DiMaggio (vintage signature) on the sweet spot, Hank Aaron, Roger Maris, Bob Feller, and a couple of other players. I got the ball authenticated by PSA after purchasing it.

dcrules01
03-26-2008, 03:22 PM
Rey Ordonez Game Worn Mets tbc jersey worn July 16th 2002 $50 now if I coan only find pics from the game or a video
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/ordoneztbc004.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/ordoneztbc001.jpg

hblakewolf
03-26-2008, 03:41 PM
Derek Jeter Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Signed Game Used Minor League Bat - $200

Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

hblakewolf
03-27-2008, 11:18 AM
Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

3arod13-
Can you please provide an answer to the question above?

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

3arod13
03-27-2008, 01:03 PM
Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Bat was given to a ball park manager of the Nasville Sounds by Derek Jeter. The signature on the bat is from around 94-95. Currently working on getting appropriate documentation.

platinum1
03-27-2008, 01:34 PM
Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net
Wow! Why do you have to put the guy down like that? This is why people dont like posting in this site. You just couldnt ask why he believes this is a Jeter Minor League bat.

3arod13
03-27-2008, 02:08 PM
Wow! Why do you have to put the guy down like that? This is why people dont like posting in this site. You just couldnt ask why he believes this is a Jeter Minor League bat.

Thanks for your comment. It's appreciate by many, although most won't say it because of the backlash they know they will get. There are some who think they have all the answers and feel the need to let it be know.

I never understand why some people have to be rude and think that they have all the answers. Yes, the question definately could have been asked in a better way. I didn't care for it myself, but took the high road and just answered the quetion.

There are many game used items out there that can't be backed up with documenation or proof.

This particular bat was given to a ball mark manager of the Nashville Sounds. Documentation is forthcoming. However, many will still argue the authenticity.

Fnazxc0114
03-27-2008, 03:00 PM
i should arod have to answer such rude questions from hblakewold if he isnt trying to sell him the item regaurdless of the authenticity it would still be cool to have a bat signed by jeter.

camarokids
03-28-2008, 06:36 PM
Everybody play nicey now ! :eek:

All right lets get back to the topic at hand !

I got this beauty of an item for $30 after shipping . I bought quite a few team balls off of a local ebay'r . He then offered this "poster" without sending pictures . So I passed on the item .

I thought it was paper poster so I did not want to risk buying it . Upon seeing the pictures after the seller listed it on ebay , I wanted it . It is a hard plastic sheet that apparently was hung at the stadium or a store or ??? cause there are a bunch of two sided tape on the back of the board .

This was signed in Caracas, Venezuela during the Braves vs. Devil Rays series they played down there .

10973

camarokids
03-28-2008, 06:56 PM
Tony,
It is plausible that Jeter did use the bat . Unlike today where most of the minor leaguers have their own names engraved on their bats .

Back in Jeter's years in the minors there wasn't a boat load of bat companies trying to sign players like today . There was Louisville , Rawlings , Cooper , and was Worth still making bats ?

In the 1970's Frank Wren used to live a few houses away from me when I was kid and he always gave us bats . They were all PRO STOCK's or team named . The Jamestown Expos he played for , I will have to double check that info. Yes that is correct , also West Palm .

I do agree that Howard should not be concerned with your task of authenticating the bat . Unless he is being sincere and is genuinely concerned for your welfare that you may have been duped in your purchase of the said bat.

Cheers ....

3arod13
03-28-2008, 07:11 PM
Tony,
It is plausible that Jeter did use the bat . Unlike today where most of the minor leaguers have their own names engraved on their bats .

Back in Jeter's years in the minors there wasn't a boat load of bat companies trying to sign players like today . There was Louisville , Rawlings , Cooper , and was Worth still making bats ?

In the 1970's Frank Wren used to live a few houses away from me when I was kid and he always gave us bats . They were all PRO STOCK's or team named . The Jamestown Expos he played for , I will have to double check that info. Yes that is correct , also West Palm .

I do agree that Howard should not be concerned with your task of authenticating the bat . Unless he is being sincere and is genuinely concerned for your welfare that you may have been duped in your purchase of the said bat.

Cheers ....

Thanks! The bat is a 100% authentic Derek Jeter Cooper Game Used Yankee Team Signed bat. I have documentation forthcoming that will confirm it. Bat was signed in 1994 (see example). 1994 was the only year jeter signed his signature this way. The end of the signature is the way to tell it's from 1994). Also, being a Yankee Team Bat from the early 90's, you're correct, there would be reason to assume/believe he used this type team bat.

As far as Howard being genuinely concerned for my, definately not the case. When I first joined this forum and showed my two louisville slugger blonde game used Arod bat, many made comments about it's possible, but Arod was know to use black bats in games and blonde bats in PB. Howard did nothing but attack me and my bats. I was new to this website then.

It's not just me. As those who came to my defense, they saw it the same way.

I don't know why some people thrive off being rude to others. There are some pretty knowledgable people in this forum. And then some like me who is learning. There's no reason to be rude or attack anyone, unless attacked first I guess.

Anyway, thanks for you comments. Tony

metsbats
03-28-2008, 07:17 PM
Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to "Show us your ebay bargains"

Nice stuff guys. I once saw a Gary Carter game issued 1988 NLCS Rawlings Adirondack go for about $80 on ebay. Unfortunately I was not me who won it and saw it after it ended.


David

GoTigers
03-28-2008, 08:58 PM
Well I guess this one should go under steals/ heartbreaks... I got this 1950 letter from Joe Dimaggio on an original Yankee header for $54 framed, matted, shipped.... Unfortunately that was a few weeks ago.. and now it's "LOST" and I'm in the process of trying to get my money back.. anyways here it is.. the J is faded

TNTtoys
03-28-2008, 10:22 PM
Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to "Show us your ebay bargains"

Nice stuff guys. I once saw a Gary Carter game issued 1988 NLCS Rawlings Adirondack go for about $80 on ebay. Unfortunately I was not me who won it and saw it after it ended.


David

David,

I was offered a 1988 Gary Carter game issued NLCS bat not too long ago -- maybe 6 months to a year back? Anyway, I may have the contact details of the seller... If you want them, email me. I am sure that if he still has the bat (there's always that chance, right?), he wouldn't mind a potential sale.

Nick

metsbats
03-28-2008, 10:37 PM
David,

I was offered a 1988 Gary Carter game issued NLCS bat not too long ago -- maybe 6 months to a year back? Anyway, I may have the contact details of the seller... If you want them, email me. I am sure that if he still has the bat (there's always that chance, right?), he wouldn't mind a potential sale.

Nick

I'd be interested. pls send the info to metsbats86@aol.com.

Thanks Nick

3arod13
03-31-2008, 03:59 AM
Tony,
It is plausible that Jeter did use the bat . Unlike today where most of the minor leaguers have their own names engraved on their bats .

Back in Jeter's years in the minors there wasn't a boat load of bat companies trying to sign players like today . There was Louisville , Rawlings , Cooper , and was Worth still making bats ?

In the 1970's Frank Wren used to live a few houses away from me when I was kid and he always gave us bats . They were all PRO STOCK's or team named . The Jamestown Expos he played for , I will have to double check that info. Yes that is correct , also West Palm .

I do agree that Howard should not be concerned with your task of authenticating the bat . Unless he is being sincere and is genuinely concerned for your welfare that you may have been duped in your purchase of the said bat.

Cheers ....

camarokids,

Here's what I have so far on this bat.

* I obtained the bat directly from the person who purchased it in 1996 from a well-known, knoweldgeable, and reputable game used bat dealer in the hobby. The bat was sold then (1996) as a Cooper Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Derek Jeter Game Used Minor League Signed Bat.

* The signature dates around 1994.

With that said, this bat would have been used by Derek Jeter possibily around 1993-1994.

Tony

sylbry
03-31-2008, 01:30 PM
Would someone please tell me how this statement by Howard is rude? Seems direct and to the point. My thoughts exactly.

Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

Is it rude because he doesn't believe the unsubstantiated info you are posting on the forum?

This particular bat was given to a ball mark manager of the Nashville Sounds. Documentation is forthcoming.

Personally I would wait for the documentation before making the claim that it is a Jeter game used bat.

The bat is a 100% authentic Derek Jeter Cooper Game Used Yankee Team Signed bat. I have documentation forthcoming that will confirm it. Bat was signed in 1994 (see example). 1994 was the only year jeter signed his signature this way. The end of the signature is the way to tell it's from 1994). Also, being a Yankee Team Bat from the early 90's, you're correct, there would be reason to assume/believe he used this type team bat.

To me it seems like a 100% authentic Cooper Yankee team game used bat signed by Derek Jeter in 1994.

Don't you see the road you are going down? Are we now going to assume (yep you said assume) that any Pro Stock bat with a signature is a game used bat by that player? I have a Billings Mustangs pro stock bat next to me that came from the father of a Mustangs' player. Can I have Jay Bruce sign it and then call it a game used Jay Bruce bat? Afterall he probobly didn't have a contract in rookie ball either. Seems to be identical as to what you are saying.

If I remember correctly there is really no way to date a Cooper bat. As far as you know that bat could be from 1987 or so.

Think of it this way. With that bat and your documentation status, what would PSA grade it?

I obtained the bat directly from the person who purchased it in 1996 from a well-known, knoweldgeable, and reputable game used bat dealer in the hobby. The bat was sold then (1996) as a Cooper Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Derek Jeter

Some people see Lou Lampson as reputable. (My apologizes to the dealer who sold the bat. Don't mean to compare you to Lou, just comparing the anonymity behind the sale.)

Arod313 - You have been in this hobby long enough to know someone "always has a story". And I think you can agree that this bat certainly has a story. Sourced from a clubhouse, sold by a well-known, reputable dealer, blah, blah, blah. How many times do we hear that one?

You seem insulted that Howard doesn't believe the story. I too don't believe your story as it is currently being told either. What I do believe is you have stumbled upon a great research project that potentially has a huge upside. But until you turn the "story" into "facts," Howards statement of Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig is absolutely correct.

I hope you figure out this puzzle. Would be a sweat bat to have. But until then don't be surprized at the pushback received from others who are in need of a little more to be sold.

sylbry
03-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Wow! Why do you have to put the guy down like that? This is why people dont like posting in this site.

How can you make a comment like this when you haven't been a member for even a month?

Fnazxc0114
03-31-2008, 01:55 PM
Sylbry i would like to make a generic statement. " whats the point in being a p#$%k" there are a lot of people who watch this sight for a while without putting there two cents on every thread on the forum. also since you have been a member since november of 2005 does that mean you get a blue star from the gameused police? sylbry also who are you two question what someone wants to type in a thread

3arod13
03-31-2008, 02:24 PM
After having the opportunity to talk to the owner of this bat (Mr. Doug Reed) yesterday, here are the facts: This bat was puchased by Doug Reed of Cookeville, TN, who was an employee at the time of the Nashville Sounds Minor League Team, in 1996 from Zane Burns. Mr. Reed stated that Mr. Burns sold the bat to him as a Cooper Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Derek Jeter Game Used Minor League Signed Bat. (I believe he said it was advertised in the SCD back in 1996, so I am trying to research and see if I can find an old copy with the add). Since then, he stated he and Mr. Burns have made numerous transactions back and forth over the years since that time. Mr. Reed has an extensive Game Used collection. The signature on the bat dates around 1994.

The documentation forthcoming is from Mr. Reed. Mr. Reed sold the bat to Mr. Casey Fox of Cookeville, TN, who is the person I purchased the bat from. Some of the confusion on the details was from Mr. Fox doing his best to remember as much info about the bat as he could. However, I was able to locate Mr. Reed and we talked extensively over the phone about this bat. The above are the facts.

As far as your comment, "You seem insulted that Howard doesn't believe the story." Well, there was no story or explanation added at that point when he made his comment. I simply added as the title of asked, "Show usyour ebay steals!!!", which I was doing: "Derek Jeter Pro 100 "Yankees" Professional 271 Signed Game Used Minor League Bat." Just as I bought it and just as I was told.

With that said, I'm not addressing Howard's comments anymore. Personally, I think he could have made his comment in a better way, however, we all interpret things different, so not that big of a deal.

I realize many of you knowledgeable experts out there are just doing your best to ensure the hobby is a safe place. Some come across more accusatory and harsh, but I guess with the many fakes out there, it gets old seeing so many fakes and becomes the norm to question harshly.

Tony
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Vintagedeputy
03-31-2008, 02:51 PM
So what we know right now (for certain) is that it is a Yankees team bat that someone bought from a dealer and the dealer claimed that it was used by Jeter? Not trying to pick sides at all as to whether or not any of it is true or false, just stating the facts as we know them thus far.........

Is there any evidence of Jeter using the bat? Pics?

Jim

3arod13
03-31-2008, 03:15 PM
So what we know right now (for certain) is that it is a Yankees team bat that someone bought from a dealer and the dealer claimed that it was used by Jeter? Not trying to pick sides at all as to whether or not any of it is true or false, just stating the facts as we know them thus far.........

Is there any evidence of Jeter using the bat? Pics?

Jim

Jim,

Let me make sure I understanding who and what you are questioning (I have to believe by your comment, you don't know who Zane Burns is):

You are saying/assuming that the dealer that you are referring to, Mr. Zane Burns, would claim and sell something that isn't what he says it is?

You're talking about the same Zane Burns, who helped in the publishing of the book BATS -- PROFESSIONAL HILLERICH & BRADSBY AND ADIRONDACK 1950-1994 - The book that was the first all-inclusive resource available to game used bat collectors, which also included such people as Dave Bushing, Steve Terman, Michael Montbriand, John Taube, Stanley Kesselman, and yes, Zane Burns.

The same Zane Burns who is considered one of the Who's Who of Bat Collecting.

The same Zane Burns who is continously praised in this forum as a trustworthy and knowledgable person in the game used hobby?

I Just want to make sure I understand you correctly.

Look, I understand today everyone is so caught up into "photomatching." If you can find it, it's great. However, there are many older pieces, especially minor league stuff, that it is impossible to photomatch. Heck, even today's stuff is even difficult to photomatch.

Not every player gave away their equipment with a signed letter that they used it. Hence today, why we have authentication services based on characteristics and other additional information that is provided.

I am aware of Mr. Burns reputation in the hobby, and I trust and believe Mr. Reed. It would only take Mr. Burns to deny what Mr. Reed has stated and put into writing.

I trust both Mr. Burns and Mr. Reed and am 100% confident that this bat is as stated.

Tony

Vintagedeputy
03-31-2008, 03:26 PM
Tony - I know quite well who Zane is, as I have purchased from him before.....I have no issue with his reputation.

My point is, that this is a generic "team" bat that a "bat dealer" says was used by Jeter and it is signed by Jeter. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was a bat that had Jeter's name on it, that would add to it. I'm not saying anything against Zane, you, or the bat. I'm just calling it like I see it. If Zne acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?

"If" Zane acquired the bat directly from Jeter and offered photographic proof, that would be something different. As it stands right now, it appears to me to be a team bat, signed by Derek Jeter, that came from a well respected dealer of game used bats.

Am I missing something?

3arod13
03-31-2008, 03:42 PM
Tony - I know quite well who Zane is, as I have purchased from him before.....I have no issue with his reputation.

My point is, that this is a generic "team" bat that a "bat dealer" says was used by Jeter and it is signed by Jeter. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was a bat that had Jeter's name on it, that would add to it. I'm not saying anything against Zane, you, or the bat. I'm just calling it like I see it. If Zne acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?

"If" Zane acquired the bat directly from Jeter and offered photographic proof, that would be something different. As it stands right now, it appears to me to be a team bat, signed by Derek Jeter, that came from a well respected dealer of game used bats.

Am I missing something?

Wow! It is ridiculous to say, "If Zane acquired the bat directly from Jeter and offered photographic proof, that would be something different." You do realize this was in the early 90's. Did we have camera's back then (lol).

Unless I'm missing something, does all game used stuff out there come with what you stated above?

From what I have found out so far, minor league teams, especially in the 80's and early 90's, didn't have players names of the bats. So players used these "generic" team bats. When they got to the majors, their names were on their bats. Still research minor league bat info.

I'm not going to beat this down any further. I provided the facts. I'm happy and satisifed with the bat. I trust Mr. Burns reputation completely, and Mr. Reeds word in writing.

Again, unless Mr. Burns denies what Mr. Reed has told me and provided me in writing, it is only then I will have concern.

Tony

platinum1
03-31-2008, 03:42 PM
How can you make a comment like this when you haven't been a member for even a month?
So now I have to be a member for more then a month to make a comment. Actually I have been coming to this boards for atleast 2 years now and every time I come here most of the guys in here just try to find a way to rip someone. The guy wasnt pushing the bat on someone. The question could have been ask alot better. Why hasnt he respond to my question? Because he was wrong. Why doesnt he stick to what he knows best Phillie jerseys.

platinum1
03-31-2008, 03:51 PM
Sylbry i would like to make a generic statement. " whats the point in being a p#$%k" there are a lot of people who watch this sight for a while without putting there two cents on every thread on the forum. also since you have been a member since november of 2005 does that mean you get a blue star from the gameused police? sylbry also who are you two question what someone wants to type in a thread
Thank You just like in the other post with thome25. When people are asking for help the guys that are fast to bash someone are never there to help.

3arod13
03-31-2008, 03:55 PM
If Zane acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?

Jim,

Great point. Maybe this will help you.

You stated: If Zane acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?

Answer: No!

However, if Zane acquired a Derek Jeter New York Yankees Minor League Team Game Used and Signed bat, as sold it that way; then

Answer: YES!

See the difference. The bat was sold to Mr. Reed as a Derek Jeter Yankees Minor League Game Used Signed Bat.

You can beat this to death as much as you want. Bottom line, the bat came from Mr. Burns, a very knowledgeable and reputable game used bat collector and dealer, who has been in this hobby a long time. In addition, I don't recall ever seeing anything in the news that discredits Mr. Burns. His reputation speaks for itself.

With that said, I'm done. I provided the facts! Not much more to add.

Tony

Vintagedeputy
03-31-2008, 03:56 PM
What I'm saying is that there is a much higher degree of uncertainty in a generic Yankees bat signed by Jeter than a Jeter named bat displaying Jeter characteristics and signed by Jeter.

Add to that the fact that Zane has not been asked anything (as far as I read here). You are buying a bat from someone who said that they got it from Zane and that is what Zane sold it to them as. If you are happy with the bat, so be it. I'm not trying to discount or discredit anyone, I just dont see anything close to 100% proof (yet).

hblakewolf
03-31-2008, 03:56 PM
Tony - I know quite well who Zane is, as I have purchased from him before.....I have no issue with his reputation.

My point is, that this is a generic "team" bat that a "bat dealer" says was used by Jeter and it is signed by Jeter. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was a bat that had Jeter's name on it, that would add to it. I'm not saying anything against Zane, you, or the bat. I'm just calling it like I see it. If Zne acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?

"If" Zane acquired the bat directly from Jeter and offered photographic proof, that would be something different. As it stands right now, it appears to me to be a team bat, signed by Derek Jeter, that came from a well respected dealer of game used bats.

Am I missing something?

Jim:

No, you are not missing anything.

See my post #28, noting the exact same points:
Nice generic YANKEES bat that has a Jeter sig. How can you possibly claim and also prove he used this in the minor leagues?

I've obtained plenty of generic Louisville Sluggers directly from the Phillies during the 1980's that simply have PHILLIES in place of an actual players stamped name. Collectors have purchased these from me, and have later had Schmidt and Carlton autograph them. What's to prevent someone from claiming that either Phillies superstar used one of these bats? Although we know these were purchased as generic and never used by either superstar, once they change hands a few time, someone may claim that they obtained it directly after a game in which they saw Schmidt or Carlton use it, and then had him autograph it.

Personally, I could care a less if Zane sold this, or John Taube. Let's put our focus on the bat at hand; a generic Cooper with a Jeter sig.

Once solid evidence can be produced (photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.) of Jeter using a generic YANKEES Cooper bat in 1994, I'll be the first to agree with Tony that indeed, he secured a real ebay steal!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

BULBUS
03-31-2008, 04:00 PM
My point is, that this is a generic "team" bat that a "bat dealer" says was used by Jeter and it is signed by Jeter. Nothing more, nothing less. If it was a bat that had Jeter's name on it, that would add to it. I'm not saying anything against Zane, you, or the bat. I'm just calling it like I see it. If Zne acquired a Richmond Braves team bat and had Chipper Jones sign it, does that prove that Chipper Jones used the bat in a game?



I agree. There is nothing linking this bat to Jeter except for a signature, which I'm sure at the time was not difficult to get. Because of this, I don't believe the bat has great value. It is a nice piece, but it's not something that I could have in my collection and be confident that it was used by Jeter.

Vintagedeputy
03-31-2008, 04:00 PM
Let me also add that you say that it is a "Derek Jeter New York Yankees Minor League Team Game Used and Signed bat" - we've all seen bats (on ebay especially) that say Barry Bonds game used signed bat. When you look at the bat, its a pro stock bat that was used by someone and signed by Bonds....that doesnt make it a Bonds gamer. With the limited amount of text in ebay headings and people's interpretations of what something that they read means, its easy enough to mistake the two or at the very least not understand the difference. A Bonds game used and signed bat is different than a game used bat signed by Bonds, Jeter, Arod or anyone else.

3arod13
03-31-2008, 04:01 PM
Thank You just like in the other post with thome25. When people are asking for help the guys that are fast to bash someone are never there to help.

Sad, but I'm getting use to it. For whatever reason, some people just thrive off giving grief, than helping. Especially if you're new, and not in the circle of trust (reference to the movie: Meet the Fockers).

I still enjoy this forum and recommend that nobody think about leaving, just because of a few bad eggs with negative attitudes. Many just take it and don't speak out. Otherwise, they'll get trashed like some of you were. Keep the faith!

This forum and it's people have so much to offer. More positive than negative in my book.

Tony

harpt
03-31-2008, 04:08 PM
This forum and it's people have so much to offer. More positive than negative in my book.

Tony

Great point

cohibasmoker
03-31-2008, 05:05 PM
Not sure if this is a steal or not - hopefully a forum member will be able to identify the jersey for me.

I got the jersey from eBay. The seller's scans gave the impression that the jersey was red. As such, I was thinking the jersey was an old Falcons jersey. Well, when I got it, I was shocked because the jersey is actually orange. In an attempt to show the actual color of the jersey, I placed a St. Louis Cardinals jacket next to the jersey and I took the scan.

Made by Spanjian, the jersey is a size 44 and it is made out of a heavy-weight durene material. The shoulders are reinforced and are about twice as thick as the rest of the jersey and the sleeve-ends are cuffed. Just above the cuffed sleeve-ends, are sewn-in elbow pads. There are diamond inserts under each armpit.

The jersey has several team repairs (most in the shoulder area) and is complete with crotchpiece. On the Spanjian Pasadena label, the number 518 has been imprinted on the label. This 518 is also imprinted on the inside of the crotchpiece and on the back of the jersey, on the inside, 318 has been imprinted.

All of the numbers have been sewn on. The numbers on the back of the jersey are positioned very high so I don't think the would be any room for a nameplate. The sleeve-stripes are woven into the jersey.

This is a very cool and extremely well-made professional style jersey. I've looked through a few old football annuals (Professional and college) and so far, I have been unable to identify the jersey. I would appreciate any help any member can give me in identifying whether the jersey was worn professionally or on the collegiate or semi-pro level.

I can be reached either though the thread or flaa1a@comcast.net

Thanx so much,

Jim

both-teams-played-hard
03-31-2008, 06:53 PM
Not sure if this is a steal or not - hopefully a forum member will be able to identify the jersey for me.

I got the jersey from eBay. The seller's scans gave the impression that the jersey was red. As such, I was thinking the jersey was an old Falcons jersey. Well, when I got it, I was shocked because the jersey is actually orange. In an attempt to show the actual color of the jersey, I placed a St. Louis Cardinals jacket next to the jersey and I took the scan.

Made by Spanjian, the jersey is a size 44 and it is made out of a heavy-weight durene material. The shoulders are reinforced and are about twice as thick as the rest of the jersey and the sleeve-ends are cuffed. Just above the cuffed sleeve-ends, are sewn-in elbow pads. There are diamond inserts under each armpit.

The jersey has several team repairs (most in the shoulder area) and is complete with crotchpiece. On the Spanjian Pasadena label, the number 518 has been imprinted on the label. This 518 is also imprinted on the inside of the crotchpiece and on the back of the jersey, on the inside, 318 has been imprinted.

All of the numbers have been sewn on. The numbers on the back of the jersey are positioned very high so I don't think the would be any room for a nameplate. The sleeve-stripes are woven into the jersey.

This is a very cool and extremely well-made professional style jersey. I've looked through a few old football annuals (Professional and college) and so far, I have been unable to identify the jersey. I would appreciate any help any member can give me in identifying whether the jersey was worn professionally or on the collegiate or semi-pro level.


Now, that's a nice jersey. The Spanjian tags are late 50s, early 60s. I have sold 100s of unknown football durenes. They are impossible to identify. Unless, you say your prayers and stumble across a photo. The new Sports Illustrated archive may be a good place to start. Someone who reads 60s Street&Smiths might know. Oregon State? College of the Pacific? Cal Tech? To make matters more complicated, Spanjian made uniforms nationwide, from West to East. The tag seems too old to have the Spanjian designed expressley for (insert name of sporting goods store.) Does it have the name of a sporting goods store or town (besides Pasadena)? Yes, it could be Continental Football League...1000s of possibilities. Oklahoma State? Idaho State? I know I've probably sold many FB relics for $100. I'm too impatient. I don't find as many football durenes as I used to. As for the "518" and "318"...they are inventory codes that I haven't learned yet.

both-teams-played-hard
03-31-2008, 07:13 PM
CORRECTION:
They appear to be early to mid 1960s Spanjian tags.

genius
03-31-2008, 07:56 PM
Picked up this circa 1966 Atlanta Falcons sideline heavy warmup jacket recently for under $40. Haven't tried to style or photo match it but it's a neat-looking piece in great condition, zip working perfectly.

sylbry
03-31-2008, 08:23 PM
So now I have to be a member for more then a month to make a comment. Actually I have been coming to this boards for atleast 2 years now and every time I come here most of the guys in here just try to find a way to rip someone. The guy wasnt pushing the bat on someone. The question could have been ask alot better. Why hasnt he respond to my question? Because he was wrong. Why doesnt he stick to what he knows best Phillie jerseys.

No I was making the point that you have been a member for one month (join date March 2008) but yet feel confident that no one wants to post on here because of certain member comments. Make sense?

I really don't think Arod313 needs you or Fnazvc0114 to defend him.

And Fnazvc0114, I have been a member since the Network 54 days, prior to November 2005. "Blue star from the game used police"? :rolleyes:

And since when is questioning an item being negative? If you want to be a part of the game used hobby expect to take a couple of lumps. Especially when your opinion deviates from the norm. No one is intentionally ripping anyone. I don't understand why people make the mistake of taking comments personally. It isn't about you. No one even knows you. It is about your item or your post. Period.

platinum1
03-31-2008, 08:33 PM
No I was making the point that you have been a member for one month (join date March 2008) but yet feel confident that no one wants to post on here because of certain member comments. Make sense?

I really don't think Arod313 needs you or Fnazvc0114 to defend him.

And Fnazvc0114, I have been a member since the Network 54 days, prior to November 2005. "Blue star from the game used police"? :rolleyes:

And since when is questioning an item being negative? If you want to be a part of the game used hobby expect to take a couple of lumps. Especially when your opinion deviates from the norm. No one is intentionally ripping anyone. I don't understand why people make the mistake of taking comments personally. It isn't about you. No one even knows you. It is about your item or your post. Period.
This is not just about Arod313 and his item. This just happens all the time when someone bashes a person with a dumb remark and then If the person comes up with the proof no one in here that bashes the item ever apologizes for it. Actually I still remember when I think Arod313 was the one with the Derek Jeter Colombus Clipper game used bat and a couple of people started to question the bat. When he came up with the proof straight from the horses mouth not one person apologized.

sylbry
03-31-2008, 08:41 PM
This is not just about Arod313 and his item. This just happens all the time when someone bashes a person with a dumb remark and then If the person comes up with the proof no one in here that bashes the item ever apologizes for it. Actually I still remember when I think Arod313 was the one with the Derek Jeter Colombus Clipper game used bat and a couple of people started to question the bat. When he came up with the proof straight from the horses mouth not one person apologized.

Why does someone need to apologize for questioning an item. We are not here to gloat about someone else being wrong or possibly looking fooling. If by someone questioning an item Arod313 to dug a little further and found proof, then Arod313 came out ahead because of the question. Again it is about the item, not the individual.

Plus it isn't your problem if Arod313 feels he is owed an apology.

I am not condoning inconsiderate behavior but seriously it is ok to question an item. It isn't the same as calling someone a liar.

both-teams-played-hard
03-31-2008, 08:42 PM
Picked up this circa 1966 Atlanta Falcons sideline heavy warmup jacket recently for under $40. Haven't tried to style or photo match it but it's a neat-looking piece in great condition, zip working perfectly.
Are those Sand Knit tags? Are they the same tags as the Falcons durene you got off this forum? Nice jacket at a great price!

Ozric
03-31-2008, 08:55 PM
Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.

platinum1
03-31-2008, 09:38 PM
Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.
Thank You this is the last time I will post about this topic.

sylbry
03-31-2008, 09:43 PM
Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.

I did not read anything derogatory about Howard's first post. Guess I have better things to do than try to read intent of a post.

How on earth is my "continual defence" of Howard getting tired? I have not defended him. Howard can speak for himself. I CLEARLY stated I had the same question as Howard.

cohibasmoker
03-31-2008, 09:53 PM
CORRECTION:
They appear to be early to mid 1960s Spanjian tags.

Thanx for the replies. I have attached a close-up scan of the Spanjian tag and the "518" that is stamped on both the Spanjian tag as well as the crotchpiece.

So far, I've found that the Colts jerseys in 1957 used a similar numerical font style.

I've also found that several professional teams in the 1950's and 60's wore a similiar style of sleeve stripping on their jerseys that reflected their team colors.

It should be fun trying to figure it out. Love those vintage jerseys.

Jim

karamaxjoe
03-31-2008, 10:45 PM
Tony,

I look at the Jeter bat this way; had you been at the actual game and Jeter used it, signed it and handed it to you, you'd still have a very hard time convincing the collecting world about its validity. The first thing I would have said to myself would be how in the hell am I going to prove this? Lets face it, you're talking about Jeter. Had the bat been signed by any other Yankee farm hand, nobody would have questioned it. It's just that when people claim they have a unique item from Arod, Jeter, Bonds or any other major superstar, the item will always be questioned before the collecting world buys into it. That fact will never change.

Honestly I hope you find the proof you're looking for. I would guess it's very possible Jeter used the bat, but again how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt. If it is real, it really shouldn't be something you'd find kicking around on ebay.

Also Howard was not out of line in his comment. I firmly believe any rare item such as the Jeter bat will be heavily questioned before anyone believes it. That's the nature of the hobby we all participate in.

Again, good luck to you and I hope you find what you're looking for.

Mike

3arod13
04-01-2008, 02:56 AM
Tony,

I look at the Jeter bat this way; had you been at the actual game and Jeter used it, signed it and handed it to you, you'd still have a very hard time convincing the collecting world about its validity. The first thing I would have said to myself would be how in the hell am I going to prove this? Lets face it, you're talking about Jeter. Had the bat been signed by any other Yankee farm hand, nobody would have questioned it. It's just that when people claim they have a unique item from Arod, Jeter, Bonds or any other major superstar, the item will always be questioned before the collecting world buys into it. That fact will never change.

Honestly I hope you find the proof you're looking for. I would guess it's very possible Jeter used the bat, but again how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt. If it is real, it really shouldn't be something you'd find kicking around on ebay.

Also Howard was not out of line in his comment. I firmly believe any rare item such as the Jeter bat will be heavily questioned before anyone believes it. That's the nature of the hobby we all participate in.

Again, good luck to you and I hope you find what you're looking for.

Mike

Mike, well said, and I do understand this completely.

3arod13
04-01-2008, 03:39 AM
Guys,

Thanks for all of your comments in reference to the Jeter bat. All are valid points and questions.

Let me just share the reason(s) why I am comfortable and satisifed with this Jeter bat:

* It's a GenericYANKEE Team Bat. A bat ordered and issued only to the Yankees organization. Better opportunity for Jeter to have used this bat, vice a generic PRO stock bat, which would be questioned even more. From what I have researched so far, Jeter didn't have minor league bats with his name on them. With that said, he would be using the Generic Yankee Team Bats, just like all other minor league players.

* Signed by Jeter around 1994 (signature is easy to identify, as Jeter only signed that signature around that timeframe. End of signature is the key).
This being around the time when he would have used it. If this was an early minor league bat, but had a later Jeter signature, then I would be more hesitant, because then there's that question of how could Jeter remember if he actually used that bat so many years later. By signing it around 1994, I feel much more comfortable.

* Bat came from Zane Burns. I'm fully aware of his knowledge and reputation in the hobby. However, it definately would be nice to know more specifics about how he obtained the bat. That might help answer some questions.

* To me, there is a better chance that Derek Jeter did use this bat, as he had more of an opportunity being in the Yankee organization back then.

Howard stated: "Once solid evidence can be produced (photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.) of Jeter using a generic YANKEES Cooper bat in 1994, I'll be the first to agree with Tony that indeed, he secured a real ebay steal!"

Yes, this would be great if I am able to do this, and I will pursue this aggressively. However, chances are slim, as minor league coverage is very limited, compared to major league coverage.

Look at the amount of game used stuff out there of Mantle, DiMaggio, Ruth, Williams, Clemente, etc., that doesn't come with a photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.. Comes only with an LOA from PSA, MEARS, etc. It is at this point, as collectors, we make the choice to either trust the authenticator and items. And we all know, there have been many mistakes.

I have provided all facts that I know to date about this bat. I will continue to be aggressive and pursue the authenticity of this bat, just as I did the Hoosier bat of past. At this point, it's in my collection and I'm satisifed with the bat.

As I find more information about this bat, I will keep you all posted.

Although there are times we may disagree with each other, you have to admit, this is a fun and exciting hobby. If we didn't have difference of opinions at times, it wouldn't give us other things to think about. Although we sometimes don't like what we here, it's good for us and the hobby.

Again, many thanks for your comments, concerns, and advice. I do appreciate it!

Now let's get this thread back to its original subject, "Show us your ebay steals!!!

Regards, Tony

karamaxjoe
04-01-2008, 10:58 AM
Hey guys, if we're here to help each other we should be able to at least find a photo of Jeter at Columbus with a Cooper bat. It might not be the exact bat, but it would sure be a good start.

Mike

kingjammy24
04-01-2008, 05:06 PM
"how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt"

short of photomatches, how do you prove any item in this hobby beyond a shadow of a doubt? how do you prove your george bell or bobby thigpen jerseys beyond a shadow of a doubt? this hobby inherantly requires leaps of faith. i think what we're really talking about here is how big a leap is acceptable, not proving an item beyond a shadow of a doubt.

leaps of faith are reduced when positive characteristics are found. i don't believe taube can "prove without a shadow of a doubt" that all of the bats in his stock are gamers. i think he thinks they have a great chance of being gamers because they meet several criteria; length, weight, proper model, finish, player characteristics, legit use. when an item exhibits every single proper characteristic, then the leap of faith is relatively small (but it exists nonetheless). when an item exhibits very few characteristics, then the leap of faith is relatively large.

i think howard's comments were alluding to this leap of faith. noone's expecting tony to "prove" jeter used the bat. you can't prove most items were game-used. i think people, including myself and howard, are simply wondering how the bat can even be attributed to jeter specifically. given the bat, i think it's a valid question.

"Look at the amount of game used stuff out there of Mantle, DiMaggio, Ruth, Williams, Clemente, etc., that doesn't come with a photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.. Comes only with an LOA from PSA, MEARS, etc. It is at this point, as collectors, we make the choice to either trust the authenticator and items."

but the thing is, those mears authentications and those items come with a ton of unique player characteristics. the question is what characteristics does this bat have that would strongly link it to jeter specifically?

"With that said, he would be using the Generic Yankee Team Bats, just like all other minor league players."

that's a lot of players who could've potentially used this bat. is there any uniform number on the knob?

you've dated the bat to 1994 via the autograph. that's fine and a decent start but how many players were there in the yankees farm system in 1994?

"there is a better chance that Derek Jeter did use this bat, as he had more of an opportunity being in the Yankee organization back then"

so were a million other players. why derek jeter specifically? just because he was in the minors in '94? why wasn't this bat used by his fellow teammates like scott romano or ray suplee or the dozens of other minor league teammates he had in '94?

at a minimum, does the bat conform to the length and weight that jeter was known to take around that time? LVS records would shed light on his first MLB order.

anyone at any yankee minor league facility could've grabbed a non-descript bat and had jeter sign it in '94. placing it in jeter's hands for actual game use would at a minimum involve establishing that the length and weight are correct and that the bat exhibits jeter's specific use characteristics. from what i can tell, the only characteristics that have been established are that it likely came from a yankees farm in 1994.

anyway, i think howard and mike's sentiments were valid and accurate, even though unpopular. everyone wants to strike the jackpot and when anyone else suggests they may not have done that, then they tend to get boo'd for raining on their parade.

that said tony, i do want to commend what i've seen as your approach to things in general. you're a research machine. a phone-calling, letter-writing, photo-finding machine who seems genuinely intent to substantiating his items as much as humanly possible and you certainly do it more than many i've seen. you look up boxscores, contact manufacturers, check old newspapers. you're a powerhouse. lampson can't even be bothered to check a roster. i do hope you find out the truth behind this bat of yours. until then though, what you've got on it so far doesn't place it in jeter's hands any more than any of the other players in the yankee farm system in 1994.

good luck,

rudy.

joelsabi
04-01-2008, 05:23 PM
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is there any uniform number on the knob?


for the minor league bat i have, having player characteristics like cleat marks went a long way for me. having a number on the knob that was similar to another bat I have of the player gave me the leap of faith.

i think its very difficult to photomatch a minor league item as photographers aren't paid to cover minor league games. you never see action shots on minor league cards also. most programs of players are posed shots too.

tony is doing his due diligence and i hope he will obtain the documentation he is looking for. tony is an asset to the GUU and his thirst for learning about this great hobby inspires me to question my collection standards as well.

3arod13
04-02-2008, 05:26 AM
[quote=kingjammy24;78565tony, i do want to commend what i've seen as your approach to things in general. you're a research machine. a phone-calling, letter-writing, photo-finding machine who seems genuinely intent to substantiating his items as much as humanly possible and you certainly do it more than many i've seen. you look up boxscores, contact manufacturers, check old newspapers. you're a powerhouse. lampson can't even be bothered to check a roster. i do hope you find out the truth behind this bat of yours. until then though, what you've got on it so far doesn't place it in jeter's hands any more than any of the other players in the yankee farm system in 1994.

good luck,

rudy.[/quote]

Rudy,

Thanks! I appreciate and enjoy all comments you post. They are all very well thought out and detailed. I learn a lot from your knowledge, and how you respond to others. Kudos to you!

When I saw this bat, I knew the signature was 100% authentic from around 1994. I knew Jeter was in the minors in 1994. The bat was a Yankee team issued bat, with tremendous use. I knew with just the signature alone, I would still be happy paying $200 for it. However, as Rudy stated, I still hoped (like I believe we all do) I would hit the jackpot on this one.

Once I received the bat, my investigation started. I was able to talk to the person, Mr. Bruce Reed of Cookeville, TN, who owned the bat. After having the opportunity to talk to him, I found that he not only bought the bat from Zane Burns in 1996, but knew Zane well. Now at this point, I’m getting pretty excited. Zane Burns! I know who he is. A very knowledgeable and well-know game used dealer in the hobby. Mr. Reed explained to me how he bought many game used pieces from Zane, and how when Zane would come to town, they would spend time together. Mr. Reed came across as a very honest person. He also has an extensive game used collection.

Well, now I decided of course to email Zane to see if he could provide me with any information or history about this bat. Where he got it from and what he knew about it. So I emailed Zane. No reply. I then realized why.

Some of you may recall I posted a thread in the past about an issue I was having with Zane. I won’t go into details, but I will say it was entirely my fault (at the time, I was using the stupid side of my brain). Having been in this forum only a few months, I felt that I had obtained all this great knowledge about game used bats. Well, Zane had a bat that I questioned him about (Wasn’t familiar with who Zane was at this time). He provided me a response. However, I didn’t accept it and pressed the issue to the point I was pissing Zane off. He told me if I continued bothering him, he would take legal action. Well, instead of me using the good side of my brain (common sense) and backing off, I didn’t, because I didn’t care for him threatening me with legal action. With that said, the common sense side of my brain finally woke up and I backed off. But just a little too late, as you will see.

I emailed Zane again, apologizing for my past actions, and asked if he could please put the past incident aside and help with what he knows about the Jeter bat he sold to Mr. Reed. No reply.

I then emailed Zane a third time: “Mr. Burns, Sir, I do understand your anger towards me for my conduct and actions in the past. I was a jerk in how I acted and I take full responsibility for that. Something I truly regret. However, I can't change the past. I can only learn from it and ensure in the future I conduct myself in a better manner and don't let it happen again.
I would like to please ask if you could put that aside, at least only for the sake of the Jeter bat you sold to Bruce Reed, and the constant questioning the bat is receiving.
Although I have never dealt with you in the past, I am well aware of your outstanding reputation in the hobby. If there is anything you can offer (history) about the Jeter bat, I would truly appreciate it.
We all make mistakes in life, regret them, and work hard to ensure we don't make them again. I do regret the past.

There is a thread on GUU about the Jeter bat. Many have legitimate arguments about the bat and its authenticity. I do understand their concern, and many feel because it's Jeter, it's not authentic. Back in 1996, the Jeter bat wouldn't have been such a big deal as it is today, because Jeter was just a rookie then.
I hope you will consider putting your anger against me aside for the sake of this bat and the hobby. Regards, Tony”

No reply. Although I understand his anger towards me, I would have hoped for the sake of the Jeter bat, that he once owned and sold to Mr. Reed as a “Derek Jeter Game Used Minor League Signed Bat,” he would at least put his anger aside for this matter. I decided after 3 emails, and no replies, it’s just time to back off (see, I did learn something from that past experience).

At this point, I am now in quicksand at the waist and slowly sinking. I do have a few other things I’m working on that may come up with some answers. However, I believe Zane can easily provide some answers, since he owned and sold this bat, but chooses not to do so. Is his anger warranted? Sure. Does he have the right not to deal (sell) with me? Sure. Could he at least put aside his anger from the past and help? Sure.

I would like to end this with some good advice to all:

DON’T BURN BRIDGES! YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU’LL NEED TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE!

I will continue to press on and won’t quit until I’ve exhausted all efforts!

Regards, Tony

3arod13
04-02-2008, 11:17 AM
for the minor league bat i have, having player characteristics like cleat marks went a long way for me. having a number on the knob that was similar to another bat I have of the player gave me the leap of faith.

i think its very difficult to photomatch a minor league item as photographers aren't paid to cover minor league games. you never see action shots on minor league cards also. most programs of players are posed shots too.

tony is doing his due diligence and i hope he will obtain the documentation he is looking for. tony is an asset to the GUU and his thirst for learning about this great hobby inspires me to question my collection standards as well.

Joel,

Thanks for the kind words. You now got me thinking..."for the minor league bat i have, having player characteristics like cleat marks went a long way for me."

Are there specific Jeter characteristics that could be found on a minor league bat that can determine if he used it or not?

Tony

cjmedina1
04-02-2008, 11:23 PM
Well I got a few so heres the first one.Its a 1986 Mark Mcgwire Sign Game used bat with a vintage signature.It was on Ebay for 5 minutes before I stumbled on it and used the buy it now.I got 10 emails from other buyers who wanted it also and wanted to pay double what I paid.My response was"I was born at night but not last night":p

Carlie Medina III

cjmedina1
04-02-2008, 11:39 PM
After reading about a Jeter bat I thought I would post my MAC minor league bat.This also came from ebay but the auction was cancealed and a deal was made off line.

This is a 1985 LS bat but was obtain at the First game of the 1986 season when the Hunsville Stars Played the Memphis Chicks.The person I got the bat from was the bat boy for the Memphis Chicks and was lucky enough to get this bat from MAC after the game.

The bat boy wrote a Letter on how he obtain this bat.He also included a Team Pitcher with him in it and a schedule of the season for the chicks.The bat also has a PSA letter...Hope you all enjoy :D

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

cjmedina1
04-02-2008, 11:45 PM
Heres the Team Pitcher and PSA Letter

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

cjmedina1
04-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Sorry heres the team pitcher

Carlie Medina III

genius
11-16-2008, 10:39 PM
I've bought some clunkers in my day but this one was really fun. $37 on ebay. I thought it might be a New York Titans gamer and I was watching it purely for investment purposes. After I received it I was perusing the University of Pittsburgh football archives and was shocked to see Pitt using this exact style jersey in 1964 and 1965. Maybe they were handed down the set from the Titans when they changed to Jets/Green-white, I don't know. To my extreme surprise and absolute delight, I found a photomatch in those archives. Couldn't believe it, I collect Pitt jerseys and found this one totally by accident!