Here ya go A-Rod apologists!

[byergo]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23118901/

The noose is tightening. First Canseco, now Rocker! Looks like "Mr. Clean" is Mr. Cheater like I thought!

[DRILLINDK]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3241448

[Bondsgloves]

No doubt! Its just a matter of time. MLB can only protect him for so long. LOL. Say it ain't so. AFraud will be exposed.

[AWA85]

I know this may be bad to say, but I wish the steroid talk would just go away and let baseball be baseball. Stronger punishments and just hope the era of Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder and Miguel Cabreras is clean and makes history for the right reasons.

[frikativ54]

While A-Rod is hardly my hero, I don't find John Rocker to be the most credible witness. He's changed his story hundreds of times; what's to convince you he's not just fabricating a yarn for attention?

[BULBUS]

How can anyone put any credibility into anything this clown has to say????????

[Bondsgloves]

How can anyone put any credibility into anything this clown has to say????????

Funny we were saying the samething about Canseco.....

[cjclong]

Why is it that when someone like Canseco or Rocker make some allegation about a player that indicates he may have used steroids a bunch of people automatically want to believe they did. I have no idea which players have used steroids or any other drugs and neither do you. We know there are players who have used we don't know about. Whatever the truth is let it come out. But don't go accusing people of misconduct until it is actually shown they did use drugs. Rocker says some Ranger players were told how to use steroids by a doctor. (1) Did it happen? (2) Did all the players who were told about how to used drugs actually use them? These same people who are accusing ARod or any other player would be the most outraged if someone made an accusation against them of bad conduct that was immediately accepted as true without any credible proof.

[3arod13]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23118901/

The noose is tightening. First Canseco, now Rocker! Looks like "Mr. Clean" is Mr. Cheater like I thought!


Read the article...says they were instructed on the use, doesn't say he used them.

I looked back at many of your post and responses about/against Arod. You are without question an Arod hater!

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[3arod13]

I know this may be bad to say, but I wish the steroid talk would just go away and let baseball be baseball. Stronger punishments and just hope the era of Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder and Miguel Cabreras is clean and makes history for the right reasons.


What about the Brady Anderson's of baseball? Many players will go undetected, yet, some will pay the price.

This should end with many used steroids/HGH during that era. Enough said!

[joelsabi]

If a health specialist instructs a group of teenagers on practicing safe sex, does that mean that every one of them was having sex?

[3arod13]

Why is it that when someone like Canseco or Rocker make some allegation about a player that indicates he may have used steroids a bunch of people automatically want to believe they did. I have no idea which players have used steroids or any other drugs and neither do you. We know there are players who have used we don't know about. Whatever the truth is let it come out. But don't go accusing people of misconduct until it is actually shown they did use drugs. Rocker says some Ranger players were told how to use steroids by a doctor. (1) Did it happen? (2) Did all the players who were told about how to used drugs actually use them? These same people who are accusing ARod or any other player would be the most outraged if someone made an accusation against them of bad conduct that was immediately accepted as true without any credible proof.

Agree! However, it's human nature in today's society. Some people are just haters! Simply put...Haters!

It's ridiculous what this has turned into. Move on...get a life...we know it happened...move on! (meaning enough is enough on this issue)

[3arod13]

If a health specialist instructs a group of teenagers on practicing safe sex, does that mean that every one of them was having sex?

Joel...WELL SAID! My point exactly. How the originator got this out of reading that article is odd to me.

Oh, that's right...an Arod hater!

[cjclong]

All of us have players we like and others we are not fond of. That's just part of sports. But I don't take any joy in finding out anyone has used steroids, hgh, etc. I'm a Yankee fan, but I would take no pleasure in hearing that David Ortiz or Josh Beckett was busted for drugs. I often wonder why some people seem so happy to hear and spread allegations against others, not seeming to care how true or untrue they are. It makes me wonder if they have a low opinion of themselves and it makes them happy to think everyone else is as bad as they think they are?

[3arod13]

All of us have players we like and others we are not fond of. That's just part of sports. But I don't take any joy in finding out anyone has used steroids, hgh, etc. I'm a Yankee fan, but I would take no pleasure in hearing that David Ortiz or Josh Beckett was busted for drugs. I often wonder why some people seem so happy to hear and spread allegations against others, not seeming to care how true or untrue they are. It makes me wonder if they have a low opinion of themselves and it makes them happy to think everyone else is as bad as they think they are?

Another post well said! Some get it...some don't!

[3arod13]

Funny we were saying the samething about Canseco.....


And many of us are still saying it.

[kingjammy24]

All of us have players we like and others we are not fond of. That's just part of sports. But I don't take any joy in finding out anyone has used steroids, hgh, etc. I'm a Yankee fan, but I would take no pleasure in hearing that David Ortiz or Josh Beckett was busted for drugs. I often wonder why some people seem so happy to hear and spread allegations against others, not seeming to care how true or untrue they are. It makes me wonder if they have a low opinion of themselves and it makes them happy to think everyone else is as bad as they think they are?

maybe. maybe it's tall poppy syndrome. i think some may view it as comeuppance of sorts. they view the lives of these millionaire superstar athletes as "unjust" in the sense that they're grossly overpaid. watching them fall seems like justice for all the folks who break their backs to make in a month what these players make in 1 at-bat. class warfare of sorts. same reason people cheered when paris hilton and martha stewart went to jail. i think the general sports-watching public has long had a deep resentment of the insane salaries in sports and arod, being the $250MM man, is the epitome of insane salaries.

that said, i don't think most people set their sights on average players. arod's a target because he chose to become "the highest paid player in baseball". from the start, it was impossible to live up to the expectations of $250MM. boras helped only himself with that contract. arod could've accepted a lesser amount and escaped all of the pressures and expectations of being the $250MM man. that said, arod hasn't exactly had a smooth ride in ny, from his wife's "fu*k you" shirt to his ball slap in the '04 ALCS to his opting out debacle to publically carousing with a stripper. he doesn't make it easy on himself. at $250MM, people have some lofty expecations. due to the money and the hype, they'll hold him to fire on things that they'd give other players a free pass on. i don't think it's necessarily unfair though. afterall, if you want to be the $250MM man and be regarded as the best player in baseball, then you need carry yourself like the $250MM on and off the field. i don't recall folks wanting ripken or gwynn to fall. then again, i don't remember alicia gwynn telling jack murphy stadium to fu*k off or cal publically carousing with strippers.

rudy.

[joelsabi]

"Alex Rodriguez, along with two other teammates, was a part of this casual conversation. In no way, shape, or form do I believe or have I ever alluded to the opinion that Alex has ever been involved with the use of any Performance Enhancing Drug."

--John Rocker (today)

[frikativ54]

"Alex Rodriguez, along with two other teammates, was a part of this casual conversation. In no way, shape, or form do I believe or have I ever alluded to the opinion that Alex has ever been involved with the use of any Performance Enhancing Drug."

--John Rocker (today)

Honestly, I think Rocker's a coward. He's probably backtracking at the advice of lawyers. It is naive to think that Rocker has made this decision of his own volition.

[David]

A problem is that many athletes lie to the public about their drug use (Marion Jones, Raphael Palmiero et al), which means that many fans aren't going to believe every athletes who deny drug use. Marion Jones wrote in bold red letters in her autobiography that she never used steroids, never would and it was against her morals-- then, lo and behold, several years later she admits she had used drugs before she wrote the book.

If innocent athletes are to blame anyone for fans not believing them, they shouldn't blame the fans-- they should blame their fellow athletes who lie to the fans. It is those lying athletes who have conditioned fans do be suspect of claims of innocence.

That for many years players prevented drug testing and penalties only reinforces in many fans' minds that the players as a class are against the disclosure of information about drug use. Realize that all labor agreements are voted upon by the players, and it was the players, not just some Union lawyer, that prevented drug testing. Fans know that players, at least as a majority vote, have a long history of preventing the dissemination of drug information to others, including to the fans.

[cjclong]

Kingjammy, I understand what you are saying about why some people don't like ARod. Most of us have players we like and some we don't. I think the majority of fans like someone like Cal Ripken who showed consideration for fans and than there are other athletes we think of as jerks. However, I think there is a difference between not liking a player based on how you perceive them as a person and wishing bad things happen to them. I remember how happy some people were with the report, that turned out to be false, that ARod's wife was leaving him. It's one thing for someone to think ARod is something of a phony, or overpaid or doesn't hit in the clutch, etc. Its another to actively hope that he's involved with drugs and latch on to any rumor someone tries to start about him as being the truth. Also, there seems to be a mind set of "they all are sorry scum" about different professions. There are people who seem only too happy to believe and actively want to believe all athletes are drug abusers or whatever. There are good and bad people in all professions. Some people want to see all as bad and none as good. And when people have that mind set I think it may say something about how they view themselves.

[byergo]

3arod13 is exactly who I was thinking of when I typed in "AROD Apologist." Sorry to burst your bubble about your favorite player. Time to take the blinders off.

[NYRangers]

Arod must be dirty.
First, Canseco said it is so (well, not really but he implied it, but then his legit co-author from SI walked away from the sequel because Jose could not back up his non-accusation).
Now, John Rocker said it is so (and we know he doesn't carry any mental baggage).
All we need now is for OJ to swear to it and then we can fire-up the old electric chair for A-Rod!
Signed,
A Mets fan who has no stake in Arod being clean

[3arod13]

3arod13 is exactly who I was thinking of when I typed in "AROD Apologist." Sorry to burst your bubble about your favorite player. Time to take the blinders off.

First, stop thinking so much. The mind is a terrible thing to waste!

If Arod was found guilty of any wrongdoing, I wouldn't have anything to apologize for. Not once have I ever said Arod was clean. When many, including yourself, have accused Arod of wrongdoing, my only response was, "where are the facts? Where is the proof?"

I don't care about public opinion. I care only about facts. Nothing has been shown, other than individuals words, that Arod has done anything wrong. If and when this happens, then in no way would I defend it.

When Arod did the 60 minutes piece, he was asked by Katie Couric, "Did you use steriods or HGH?" Arod's immediate response was "NO!" She then asked, "did you ever think about using steriods or HGH? Arod thought about it, looked away, and then came back and said, "NO!"

my PERSONAL OPINION was, why look away and think about it? Why not respond NO immediately like he did after the first question?

So as you can see, my point is that even though I found Arod's hesitation after the second question odd, and may think he may be possibly quilty, it's only my opinion.

If the day ever comes that it's factually proven Arod did use steriods or HGH, I will be the first to come in this forum and say how disappointed I would be.

Regards, Tony
Fact are facts, and you can't deny facts.

[cjclong]

3ARod13. you are one of those people who doesn't mindlessly defend a player you like or mindlessly attack a player you don't. Its one thing to say ARod has not been getting the big hits in playoffs for the Yankees, something even he acknowledges , and an entirely different thing to say he has used steroids when there is no proof whatsoever at this point. Canseco has been making remarks that insinuate he has something on him. If he has anything let him bring it out and we'll see what the FACTS are. Two major league players I like very much are Derek Jeter and Michael Young with the Rangers. I have no reason to believe either has used drugs. If there was proof that was credible that either had used drugs I would accept it and be disappointed. The fact that I don't think either has used drugs because there is no evidence of drug use by them doesn't mean I have "blinders on." The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

[suave1477]

maybe. maybe it's tall poppy syndrome. i think some may view it as comeuppance of sorts. they view the lives of these millionaire superstar athletes as "unjust" in the sense that they're grossly overpaid. watching them fall seems like justice for all the folks who break their backs to make in a month what these players make in 1 at-bat. class warfare of sorts. same reason people cheered when paris hilton and martha stewart went to jail. i think the general sports-watching public has long had a deep resentment of the insane salaries in sports and arod, being the $250MM man, is the epitome of insane salaries.

that said, i don't think most people set their sights on average players. arod's a target because he chose to become "the highest paid player in baseball". from the start, it was impossible to live up to the expectations of $250MM. boras helped only himself with that contract. arod could've accepted a lesser amount and escaped all of the pressures and expectations of being the $250MM man. that said, arod hasn't exactly had a smooth ride in ny, from his wife's "fu*k you" shirt to his ball slap in the '04 ALCS to his opting out debacle to publically carousing with a stripper. he doesn't make it easy on himself. at $250MM, people have some lofty expecations. due to the money and the hype, they'll hold him to fire on things that they'd give other players a free pass on. i don't think it's necessarily unfair though. afterall, if you want to be the $250MM man and be regarded as the best player in baseball, then you need carry yourself like the $250MM on and off the field. i don't recall folks wanting ripken or gwynn to fall. then again, i don't remember alicia gwynn telling jack murphy stadium to fu*k off or cal publically carousing with strippers.

rudy.

KingJammy are we sharing the same brain again lol lo amazing how in exact words you say what i am thinking,:p but you did leave out one thing.

ARODS 2006 SEASON SLUMP FOR A 250MM PLAYER, OR HIS LESS THEN DECENT CLUTCH HITTING DURING THE WHOLE SEASON FOR A 250MM PLAYER OR ARODS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND PERFORMANCE IN THE POST SEASON FOR A 250MM

SORRY THATS 3 THINGS:D

[3arod13]

3ARod13. you are one of those people who doesn't mindlessly defend a player you like or mindlessly attack a player you don't. Its one thing to say ARod has not been getting the big hits in playoffs for the Yankees, something even he acknowledges , and an entirely different thing to say he has used steroids when there is no proof whatsoever at this point. Canseco has been making remarks that insinuate he has something on him. If he has anything let him bring it out and we'll see what the FACTS are. Two major league players I like very much are Derek Jeter and Michael Young with the Rangers. I have no reason to believe either has used drugs. If there was proof that was credible that either had used drugs I would accept it and be disappointed. The fact that I don't think either has used drugs because there is no evidence of drug use by them doesn't mean I have "blinders on." The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

cjclong, don't see much of a purpose or get much of a thriller slamming people. Arod's numbers consistently throughout each year shows what can do. Yes, he hasn't performed in the postseason, we all know that and Arod acknowledges that.

I just don't see the point to accuse people of things, without facts.

Let's play ball!!

[3arod13]

The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

Well said! As I've said before, some people just hate so much, they love to tear the person apart, whether it warrants it or not.

[suave1477]

Well said! As I've said before, some people just hate so much, they love to tear the person apart, whether it warrants it or not.

3arod13 look I know your a AROD fan but even as a fan you have to accept some ridicule about AROD, you can defend him as much as you want and say people rip him when its not warranted but no matter what when your the highest paid player by far especially for years to come. It is alway warranted. I am a Yankee fan and I can't stand AROD. Because of his salary he should have an above stellar year every year. I am not talking about a super star year, im talking about better then a superstar year andthing less is unacceptable. You can argue and say s hes human, not according to his salary. You can argue and say well it wasnt him it was his agent who demanding the money, well AROD in the end has to accept the amount and he did accept and I am sure he didn't put up much of a fight saying it was too much money I don't want it (as anyone else would). So with AROD accepting that amount he and his fans has to accept the responsibility that comes along with it.
As I have said publically before one of my biggest gripes with AROD was his 2006 season performance because we would have easily have taken the AL east with many games a head if it wasn't for AROD and instead we had to struggle to get a game or 2 ahead to take it and of course when we finally got there, his 250mm performance was no where to be found.

And this has what has got me to love Posada even more I think he is one of the most underated players on that team if not in baseball. He is extrmely hardworking and takes to heart every loss.
BIGGEST EXAMPLE everyone says how AROD carried the team last year but no one hardly mentions Posada. If you look at the stats Posada carried the team last year hands down. with a .380 BA up until the all star break thats almost unheard of in todays game and to finish out with a .338 BA & a higher on base percentage then AROD

[3arod13]

3arod13 look I know your a AROD fan but even as a fan you have to accept some ridicule about AROD, you can defend him as much as you want and say people rip him when its not warranted but no matter what when your the highest paid player by far especially for years to come. It is alway warranted. I am a Yankee fan and I can't stand AROD. Because of his salary he should have an above stellar year every year. I am not talking about a super star year, im talking about better then a superstar year andthing less is unacceptable. You can argue and say s hes human, not according to his salary. You can argue and say well it wasnt him it was his agent who demanding the money, well AROD in the end has to accept the amount and he did accept and I am sure he didn't put up much of a fight saying it was too much money I don't want it (as anyone else would). So with AROD accepting that amount he and his fans has to accept the responsibility that comes along with it.
As I have said publically before one of my biggest gripes with AROD was his 2006 season performance because we would have easily have taken the AL east with many games a head if it wasn't for AROD and instead we had to struggle to get a game or 2 ahead to take it and of course when we finally got there, his 250mm performance was no where to be found.

And this has what has got me to love Posada even more I think he is one of the most underated players on that team if not in baseball. He is extrmely hardworking and takes to heart every loss.
BIGGEST EXAMPLE everyone says how AROD carried the team last year but no one hardly mentions Posada. If you look at the stats Posada carried the team last year hands down. with a .380 BA up until the all star break thats almost unheard of in todays game and to finish out with a .338 BA & a higher on base percentage then AROD

I don't defend Arod. I only comment on the many who accuse Arod of being guilty of using steriods/HGH. I only always ask, where is the proof? Where are the facts?

Your statement "I can't stand Arod" says it all. Many feel that way about Arod, hence the hatred and continuous negative comments.

I'm just a baseball fan.

[cjclong]

Suave, I think there are two different things here. You have the right to your opinion that ARod is overrated, doesn't hit in the clutch, etc. But that is a whole different thing from accusing him or any other player of drug use when at this point there is no credible evidence of it. I've never seen you accuse ARod of being a drug user. You and 3ARod13 could have a discussion about ARod's merits and I'm sure you would both disagree with each other to a great extent. However, the person who started this thread did it with the clear implication that ARod is a drug user. Right now there is no "evidence" that I am aware of besides some statements by Canseco that imply he has something on ARod that he didn't put in his first book. Just because there is a person we dislike that doesn't give us the right to accuse them of something without evidence. I'm sure you would dislike it if someone started accusing Posoda of drug use without any proof and the same goes for ARod.

[cjclong]

Had a typo on Posada.

[suave1477]

cjclong your absolutely right i agree with you, but as you said I never accused him of taking any drugs because I don't know the guy and don't know what he does after he leaves my house from dropping off game used equipment lol lol JUST KIDDING!!!:D :D

So my point was to have people discredit AROD & Slander, although it may not be right but it is to be expected since he is who he is and getting paid as much as he does for who he is suppose to be.

Thats all. No biggie.

[3arod13]

Suave, I think there are two different things here. You have the right to your opinion that ARod is overrated, doesn't hit in the clutch, etc. But that is a whole different thing from accusing him or any other player of drug use when at this point there is no credible evidence of it. I've never seen you accuse ARod of being a drug user. You and 3ARod13 could have a discussion about ARod's merits and I'm sure you would both disagree with each other to a great extent. However, the person who started this thread did it with the clear implication that ARod is a drug user. Right now there is no "evidence" that I am aware of besides some statements by Canseco that imply he has something on ARod that he didn't put in his first book. Just because there is a person we dislike that doesn't give us the right to accuse them of something without evidence. I'm sure you would dislike it if someone started accusing Posoda of drug use without any proof and the same goes for ARod.

cjclong, again "Well Said." I find it odd how so many people display their hatred toward others. Some even jump into threads that have a total different subject, yet, come into the thread showing they're hatred towards that player in many ways.

I don't defend anything Arod does. Don't have too. Arod has to defend what Arod does. Not me.

I think Arod's work ethic, intensive play and performce (yes, not including the postseason) is what I like about Arod. Is he perfect? No. Are any of us perfect? No.

With that said, I'm done.

Regards, Tony

[suave1477]

cjclong just to add I am kicking myself as we speak for supporting Clemens as I personally thought this whole time he was clean. And it was a huge gulp to swallow to accept a Red Sox as a Yankee but I did and embraced him. I have always backed up Clemens since the rumors started on him a few years ago and with conviction. People said look at him he is so big of course he does roids or hgh, but if you look at him his whole career including in 86 he was never a small or skinny guy he was always a bit on the husly side.
Now I feel stupid because at this point I do believe he is guilty:( .

[2000mvpfan]

....well hell,I'm a Jason Giambi fan so that pretty much says it all.I'm not a big fan of A-Rod,in fact,if he woulda left I wouldn't of minded.However,there hasn't been any proof he did anything and,if anything,his physique has hardly changed at all over the years unlike Pudge,Bonds,Mac,Giambi or Sosa.Doesn't mean he's done nothing,just means it hasn't been proved yet.
....Personally I'm tired of hearing about it already.The era was what it was,MLB certainly knew & didn't care when baseballs were flying outta the park at a record rate,attendance was way up after Mac & Sosa saved the game in '98, and they weren't catching any heat.And as for the government,they should be more worried about a resolution to Iraq than whether baseball players were doing illegal substances.

Oh,and Suave,come on man...you had to know Clemens was using something!Look at a pic of him in the 86 Series vs today.It's Bondsesque!!