Ken Griffey Jr. Game Used bat? ESM COA?

[bubbrubb25]

This bat is clearly not a bat griffey used and what has me wondering is why does it have an ESM coa?

http://cgi.ebay.com/KEN-GRIFFEY-JR-Game-Used-Louisville-Bat-ESM-ELITE-COA_W0QQitemZ180206822934QQihZ008QQcategoryZ60596Q QcmdZViewItem

[AstrosCollector]

I just saw this bat and it made me laugh. Seriously, what was Elite thinking?

[bubbrubb25]

Also look at all the current bats he listed, there all cracked in half and are only the barrell that seems fishy to me and are all from ESM.

[5kRunner]

I'd love to see someone from Elite come and defend this bat.

[XPFO]

I think possibly someone is doing a little tampering with the holograms...reason I am saying that is take a look at the Michael Jordan signed baseball they have as well. My Jordan UDA baseball is signed on an official major league baseball, where as the one in the pic is on one of those cheap official league, made in China balls....seems very fishy to me. Maybe they took a COA from an official Griffey Jr GU bat and slapped on a generic Elite logo?

Thoughts?

[bigtruck260]

Dear bigtruck260,

Jordan never signed any AL or NL balls for Upper Deck, he only signed Wilson Official MLB spec premium leather baseballs like this one. These balls resist toning much better and hold the signatures longer than traditional AL or NL balls.

- authentic-sports-items

FROM the seller of the Griffey Little League 180 LS...

[XPFO]

Untrue...I will photgraph mine later, but here is a link to one I found online...as you can see, there is no "China" visible above the seams.

[XPFO]

http://www.sell.com/22RG53

[Vintagedeputy]

http://cache4.gettyimages.com/xt/51650201.jpg?v=1&g=ha&s=1

Well, Ricky honey, there was this baseball bat, and I, well, you see dear, I thought that it was game used, you know, because Elite said so, and I, well, I saw that it had the markings of a retail bat, but well, THEY TRICKED ME!

[kylehess10]

I believe that they really did tamper with holograms. Take a look at his other auctions for all the other broken bats. I don't remember ESM ever selling anything of Griffey,Payton,Valentine,or Ventura so this definitely is suspicious.

Also, look at the hologram placement. ALL bats in his auctions have the hologram on the right side of the name on the barrel. ESM normally places them in different areas, and not always in the same spot.

[kylehess10]

ok guys I've been looking these auctions over for a little bit and in my opinion I believe they're all fake. I don't ever remember ESM selling ANY bat that was broken in half. They've sold plenty of cracked bats, but nothing broken like the ones in their auction. The bats he has have not been sold by ESM in the past and like I had already said, the holograms are in the exact same spot in every auction. I will try to contact ESM tomorrow and I will ask them to check out these auctions to see what they say about them.

[BMH]

I don't remember shipping Griffey any of our store line, twenty dollar bats to be used as gamers either. He hasn't ordered a clear/ blonde bat in years.

[kylehess10]

Everyone look at this! ESM DID sell these bats! INCLUDING THE GRIFFEY! They sold them all as game used

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120197734041&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D 120197734041%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1

[Vintagedeputy]

http://www.scarlet.nl/~ivo/photo_ASTRO4.JPEG

RUHT ROH RORG!!!!!!!!!!

[kingjammy24]

Everyone look at this! ESM DID sell these bats! INCLUDING THE GRIFFEY! They sold them all as game used

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120197734041&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D 120197734041%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1

absolutely shocking! not since the last ESM debacle, or the 20 debacles prior, have i been so surprised. kyle the next thing you'll tell me is that ESM has no plans to come on this forum and address this issue.

anyway, i don't know what all the fuss is about. "These bats were all broken during use, and collected by a clubhouse member... The benefit of buying a piece of memorabilia from Elite Sports Marketing (ESM) is that we obtain 99% of the items from the athletes themselves".

so there you go. 99%! what more proof do you need? they even issue LOAs with generic holograms for petes sake! can't get much more official than that.

"bid with confidence! guaranteed authentic!"

rudy.

[Yankwood]

Yet another 180. This one game issued. The old Grand Slam bat...http://cgi.ebay.com/Derek-Jeter-Game-Issued-Lville-Grand-Slam-Bat-STEINER_W0QQitemZ280193182825QQihZ018QQcategoryZ60 596QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[bigtruck260]

The description for the Jeter 180:



You are bidding on an actual:

"Derek Jeter Game Issued Blonde Louiville Slugger Blonde Limited "Grand Slam" Addition Person Model Bat."

A leader on the field and captain of the Bronx Bombers, Derek Jeter is the franchise player the Yankees organization expected him to become. Jeter won Rookie of the Year honors in 1996 and the 2000 season was his breakout year, as he collected the All-Star MVP and World Series MVP Awards. To date, he's led the Yankees to four World Series Championships and has continually amazed fans with his timely hitting, amazing catches and throws, as well as his infectious love of the game. He crossed the 2,000-hit plateau in 2006 and as of 2007 was at 2,200 hits and counting.

This bat was issued to Derek Jeter after his first grand slam! Please note that no one has access to these bats but Jeter! Not only it's limited but there aren't many blonde bats in the market (I've only seen the black one's.)

Comes with a Letter of Authenticity from Steiner Collectibles.

Steiner Holograms are affixed to both the bat & the LOA.

Issued after his first grand slam? That's creative. Steiner needs to explain this one.

Dave

[suave1477]

Why does Steiner need to explain it???
There not selling it.

[bigtruck260]

Why does Steiner need to explain it???
There not selling it.


Because the STEINER COA covers the bat as GAME ISSUED...it was sold by Steiner as such, and the new seller is selling it based on that info.

Dave

[kingjammy24]

the knoblauch is a beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270203135911

the fielder leaves me speechless. certainly an interesting variation of fielder's autograph:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270203136751

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

just wanted to note that on the fielder bat, it seems that the bat is both a model k100 and a c271. seems to be a very unique 2-model bat. as well, cecil has apparently misspelled his last name as "feilder".

even i mispell my own name sometimes.

rduy.

[hblakewolf]

Rudy-

Does the Cecil bat look like a Fungo?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[bigtruck260]

Rudy-

Does the Cecil bat look like a Fungo?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

I was wondering if the photo distorted it. But yes, that thought did occur to me. I have an email into Steiner - we'll see.

Dave

[kingjammy24]

Rudy-

Does the Cecil bat look like a Fungo?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

yes howard, it certainly does. it seems the only plausible explanation is that towards the end of his career the hits just weren't coming for cecil so he tried using a fungo at the plate.

it seems the "C271" designator has been handwritten in marker rather than LVS's usual process of burning it in.

rudy.

[suave1477]

Because the STEINER COA covers the bat as GAME ISSUED...it was sold by Steiner as such, and the new seller is selling it based on that info.

Dave


I understand what your saying but again understand that Steiner is selling by what is told to them by the Yankees themselves. Also they did point out on it that it has "Grand Slam" on the bat so its not like they were trying to hide anything Also they did not come up with the story of Jeters Grand Slam.

I also spoke to the seller as I have dealt with him before and made him aware of what he really was selling and he took the auction down

[bigtruck260]

I understand what your saying but again understand that Steiner is selling by what is told to them by the Yankees themselves. Also they did point out on it that it has "Grand Slam" on the bat so its not like they were trying to hide anything Also they did not come up with the story of Jeters Grand Slam.

I also spoke to the seller as I have dealt with him before and made him aware of what he really was selling and he took the auction down

I agree with most of that Suave - but the issue is that the COA says Game Issued. Steiner has a great reputation, but lately I have seen some strange things coming through that facility. Listing a $20 store model bat as game issued is not acceptable - especially for a high end memorabilia company like Steiner.

The Yankees might have been responsible, but it is up to Steiner to do a little research on an item - especially a JETER item before putting their stamp on it. A rookie collector could have bought that item based on the reputable name of Steiner and discovered later on that he had a $20 store model bat that he paid $400 for.

About the seller making up the Grand Slam story - that is just irresponsible on his part - sorry. Regardless of what he might have been told, the COA said nothing about the bat being given to Jeter after a grand slam...so, in all actuality, it was a lie.

Dave

[suave1477]

I agree with most of that Suave - but the issue is that the COA says Game Issued. Steiner has a great reputation, but lately I have seen some strange things coming through that facility. Listing a $20 store model bat as game issued is not acceptable - especially for a high end memorabilia company like Steiner.

The Yankees might have been responsible, but it is up to Steiner to do a little research on an item - especially a JETER item before putting their stamp on it. A rookie collector could have bought that item based on the reputable name of Steiner and discovered later on that he had a $20 store model bat that he paid $400 for.

About the seller making up the Grand Slam story - that is just irresponsible on his part - sorry. Regardless of what he might have been told, the COA said nothing about the bat being given to Jeter after a grand slam...so, in all actuality, it was a lie.

Dave

I agree with everything your saying, I don't know for sure where the seller got that Jeter story from but I cannot say he made it up as he didnt tell me that.

[kingjammy24]

the seller mentions that their cecil "feilder" fungo "retails for $400.00 on Steiner's website & they're SOLD OUT!"

steiner currently has a similar blonde LVS k100 game-used fungo on their site for $200:

http://www.steinersports.com/ssm/control/product/~pcategory=1001/~category=10011%20%20%20%20/~pid=YANKSBATGU000020

i suppose the sellers bat went from being a fungo to a cecil fielder gamer when someone took a sharpie and wrote "daddy cecil feilder" and "c271" next to the model number. given that the steiner letter makes no mention of it being a c271 or any mention of an autograph, i have to wonder if the steiner letter didn't originally come with that fungo. as well, i wonder who wrote on the fungo.

the seller also mentions that his knoblauch gamer with underlined 125 and no model number "retails for $700.00 on Steiner's website & they're SOLD OUT!". steiner currently has "5 or less" 2-tone knoblauch bats with underlined 125s and no model number:

http://www.steinersports.com/ssm/control/product/~pcategory=1001/~category=10011%20%20%20%20/~pid=KNOBCBATGI000001

retail price: $100. steiner calls them "game issued".

rudy.

[Elite]

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond-been on the road. We at Elite did not sell that bat. I do not know how somebody got that bat-but I bet if you trace where it came from it did not come from us. If you look at where the sticker has been placedwe have never ever put the hologram there. 99% of the time it is put on the end of the bat. I apologize to all that our holo/coa is attached to this horrible item and we will do a better job not letting coa's slip out the back door or fall for the I lost my coa routine could you please replace it. If you need to ask any additional questions please contact me scot@elite-sports-marketing.com

[kingjammy24]

We at Elite did not sell that bat. I do not know how somebody got that bat-but I bet if you trace where it came from it did not come from us.

scot,

is this not one of elite's auctions?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120197734041

the ebay id on the auction is http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifelite-sports-marketing (http://myworld.ebay.com/elite-sports-marketing/) in tampa, FL. the ebay auction has photos of the ESM offices and instructs winning bidders that "Money orders and cashier checks are also accepted, and must be made out to Elite Sports Marketing. Please mail payments to 4020 Tampa Rd, Oldsmar, FL 34677."

that's not you? is there another company called elite sports marketing in oldsmar, FL?

rudy.

[frikativ54]

scot,

is this not one of elite's auctions?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120197734041

the ebay id on the auction is http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifelite-sports-marketing (http://myworld.ebay.com/elite-sports-marketing/) in tampa, FL. the ebay auction has photos of the ESM offices and instructs winning bidders that "Money orders and cashier checks are also accepted, and must be made out to Elite Sports Marketing. Please mail payments to 4020 Tampa Rd, Oldsmar, FL 34677."

that's not you? is there another company called elite sports marketing in oldsmar, FL?

rudy.

They even promise delivery in time for Christmas. :D And if it's not one of Elite's auctions, then why does their "About Me" page link to this website: http://www.elite-sports-marketing.com/trial/index.shtml? Elite Sports Marketing, if it's not one of your auctions, I'd recommend you going to the FBI, because someone's impersonating you on eBay. :rolleyes:

[bubbrubb25]

They even promise delivery in time for Christmas. :D And if it's not one of Elite's auctions, then why does their "About Me" page link to this website: http://www.elite-sports-marketing.com/trial/index.shtml? Elite Sports Marketing, if it's not one of your auctions, I'd recommend you going to the FBI, because someone's impersonating you on eBay. :rolleyes:
Just bumping this so ESM doesnt miss this thread and has a chance to reply to this.

[chakes89]

I saw one of those Derek Jeter bats in a barrel of game used bats at Redsfest this past December with a $25 price tag on it.

It was cracked and everything

I just picked it up and started laughing.

I bet some rube bought it thinking "OMG I just got a Derek Jeter bat for $25"

[kylehess10]

Can you believe this......ESM just e-mailed me this morning STILL claiming that they did not sell the Griffey bat. I told them to look at this post again and to see the link to THEIR auction for the bat....so this bump is for you ESM!!! Take a good look