Fake Clemens Glove with Mears LOA

[jerseydave.com]

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[camarokids]

I tried to copy and paste the link and it came up , document could not be found ....... please give more info ......

[jerseydave.com]

Chris or Eric,

If you could fixx the above image so it shows in this post it would be greatly appreciated.

Here is a current listing for a Game Used Clemens glove in the current Historic Auctions catalog with a Mears LOA. I personally owned this glove as I bought it off ebay as a game used glove. This glove was advertised a a possible game used glove on ebay and I used the "buy it now". I then tried to consign the glove to Lelands or American Memoriabilia.

I sent the glove to Keith Vari and he got with Denny Esken and found that this partcular glove is a 1990's retail model that was made for public sale in a series of 4 to 5 players. Thats why on the backside where it says "Clemens" in gold foil stamping, it says Clemens only. Per the rep at the manufactuer, when a player's name are stamped on the gloves for game used, they used the full name "Roger Clemens".. and when they were made for retail sale, they used the last name only.

This if from my feeback file on ebay.. (my user id is jerseydave_com)

my worst ebayer in 5 yrs.. hits BUYitNow then backs out.. dishonest, immature.Seller: ballisticmike (http://myworld.ebay.com/ballisticmike) ( 285 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=ballisticmike)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconTealStar_25x25.gif)
Mar-18-07 23:12

Reply by jerseydave_com (Mar-19-07 05:41):

You forgot to write the item you sold me advertised as game used was not..
Follow-up by ballisticmike (Mar-19-07 11:17):

item as described. Gave him refund anyway... STILL complaining?? AVOID!> goofus.

I bought this glove from this guy and he got pissed when I sent it back for a refund as he sold it as game worn and it was not.

So this guy relisted the glove as game worn even though it was not and sold it again for $500.00 or so. The guy who won it relisted the glove at a later time and some unlucky buyer bought the glove for $2300.00 or so. I never saw the glove again until this day.

So I am curious why it has a Mears LOA and how they came to determine that the glove is a game used glove, and that it is also from the 80's.

Anyone can check with Keith Vari if they want to show I am telling the truth and have my facts straight... When I won it, I wanted it to be a game used Clemens glove as well, it turned out not to be. Why did Mears not get this right?

David Serviss
817-454-2420

[jerseydave.com]

This is for the current Historic Auctions and it is for lot #40611.

[ironmanfan]

Dave:

If you took the time to see MEARS' website, you'll note on their "Bulletin Board" section (open to the public) that Troy did indeed take responsibility for this and they have admitted their error. Its been up there for a few days now.

I applaud them for admiting their error & only wish that other authenticators would this as well when the time arises.

[3arod13]

Now sold for $4,400+. This is truly sad.

http://www.historicauctions.com/search/list/auctionid/40611/

[CollectGU]

Is the buyer of this glove backed by the MEARS guarantee that they offer to refund if they make a mistake?

Thanks,

Dave

[jerseydave.com]

Dave:

If you took the time to see MEARS' website, you'll note on their "Bulletin Board" section (open to the public) that Troy did indeed take responsibility for this and they have admitted their error. Its been up there for a few days now.

I applaud them for admiting their error & only wish that other authenticators would this as well when the time arises.


Sorry, I honestly just got the Historic Auctions catalog in the mail today. I did not look at the date of the auctions on the catalog, I just started looking through it and saw this auction page. (Guess it is a little late isn't it)

As for the Mears site, I do not use it nor look at it at all. So i would have never seen the Bulletin Board section, I've never been on their website.

[AstrosCollector]

This is what the Historic Auctions website read when I tried clicking the link provided on the forum....


** WARNING **


It has been determined that the site linking to ours may have unverified statements posted on it and therefore we have blocked direct linking into our site. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We encourage you to browse our site from the link below or contact us (http://www.historicauctions.com/contact/) if you have any questions.

[3arod13]

This is what the Historic Auctions website read when I tried clicking the link provided on the forum....


** WARNING **


It has been determined that the site linking to ours may have unverified statements posted on it and therefore we have blocked direct linking into our site. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We encourage you to browse our site from the link below or contact us (http://www.historicauctions.com/contact/) if you have any questions.


Click on this link: http://www.historicauctions.com/

Upper right hand corner of the page (SEARCH), type 40611

It will take you directly to the auction.

Again, truly sad story!!

[3arod13]

Click on this link: http://www.historicauctions.com/

Upper right hand corner of the page (SEARCH), type 40611

It will take you directly to the auction.

Again, truly sad story!!

Let me try this again:
www.HistoricAuctions.com (http://www.historicauctions.com/)

Upper right hand corner of the page (SEARCH), type 40611

It will take you directly to the auction.

Again, truly sad story!![/

[3arod13]

Oh well, they block it completed so you can link to their site from GUU.

Just to to their website, in the upper right hand corner of the page (SEARCH), type 40611

It will take you directly to the auction.

Again, truly sad story!![/

[3arod13]

Is the buyer of this glove backed by the MEARS guarantee that they offer to refund if they make a mistake?

Thanks,

Dave

Good question. Also, is the auction house going to contact the winner and share this information with them?

[3arod13]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they'll refund the price for the authentication, not what for the item is sold for, correct?

[3arod13]

This is the email I sent to Historic Auctions on November 26th, 2007, 4:22 P.M.:

To the staff at Historic Auction:

An advanced glove collector brought new information to my attention with regards to the Roger Clemens glove in your auction. Per his finding, a new letter with the following comment section will be issued:

This is a black Wilson A2000 right-handed Fielding Glove with Clemens stamped in gold on the back of the hand. The glove has a worn out and fraying Wilson "W" logo on the thumb and the palm & webbing of the glove are worn with dirt marks, scuffs, and ball marks. There is no provenance accompanying this glove to specifically attribute use to Clemens. Clemens used Wilson gloves from 1987 to 1992 before switching to several different manufacturers. Getty images, 51494759 & 1405043 confirmed Clemens wearing a black model glove manufactured by Wilson with silver printing, but the image does not allow for detailed examination of the model or presence/lack of Clemens name appearing in print.

(Updated 11/26/07) During 1991, Wilson became the official glove of Major League Baseball and sold a line of gloves called, "The Diamond Collection." The line assigned Clemens the model PS4. Therefore, this model glove was made available to the retail market.


I have posted the new information on the MEARS bulletin board with a detailed explanation. It can be found at http://www.network54.com/Forum/427155/post (http://www.network54.com/Forum/427155/post).

As I related in our post, the opinion was first reached after conduction imagery analysis with Getty Image.

The basis photo matching allowed us to establish color (black and silver) and manufacturer were correct. The images did not allow us to closely examine the printed (stamped) markings. We also checked our available resources and we did not find this glove available in a dealer catalog. But, I am quite confident in Rob Steinmetz opinion of this glove.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and am issuing a refund of $100.00.


Sincerely,


Troy R. Kinunen
MEARS


In addition, MEARS immediately updated the LOO to read, Unable to Authenticate. On November 29th, 2007, a new signed copy of the LOO stating "Unable to Authenticate" was shipped Fed Ex to their home office. Delivery was confirmed (tracking number 798818647132) Along with the updated LOO was a refund check for $100.00 (check #1991). Since the original LOO was prepared in error on the part of MEARS, we felt it was not right to charge them for our original work.

If the transaction has been completed and the buyer of this glove so desires, MEARS will work them to recoup their monies.

Sincerely,



Troy R. Kinunen
MEARS

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Historic Auctions Roger Clemens Glove

December 5 2007 at 1:22 PM Dave Grob (DaveGrob1@aol.com) Dave Grob (Login davegrob1 (http://www.network54.com/Profile/davegrob1))

Response to Contacting Historic Auctions regarding the Roger Clemens glove (http://www.network54.com/Forum/427155/message/1196888263/Contacting+Historic+Auctions+regarding+the+Roger+C lemens+glove)It has been brought to my attention that the Roger Clemens glove that was the focus of Troy Kinunen’s MEARS Board Post on 26 November was sold at auction by Historic Auctions for a final price realized of $4,452.80 (with BP). Per the Historic Auctions website, the auction closed on November 30, 2007 4:23:48 AM, some four days after Troy’s post.

I asked Troy to provide me with the details of the notification procedures to Historic Auctions. I specifically asked for those things that confirm that the opinion originally offered by MEARS was not the same at the time of the sale/auction close.

Those include:

-Email notification sent to Historic Auctions on 26 November 2007 at 4:22 PM.
-FEDEX shipping receipt showing new letter and refund check sent 29 November 2007 on and received on 30 November 2007 at 9:32 AM (Signed for by a B. Farnsworth) FEDEX Tracking Number 798818647132.

Troy has also informed me that he also spoke with representatives at Historic Auctions prior to the close of the auction and prior to the FEDEX mailing. He does not recall the name of the individual, but it was not Mr. James Brown.

This is item description at the time of the closing of the auction and sale:

“This Wilson A2000 Pro Select glove was used by Clemens in the mid to late 1980's when he was a member of the Boston Red Sox. This is the only true, 100% identifiable Red Sox gamer of Clemens found. The glove shows very heavy use clearly treasured by its user. It was used so much that the fur inside the glove has been worn down significantly. The tan leather is discolored from heavy sweat game after game. It was this glove in which Clemens fought so hard to establish himself among the leagues and eventually the all time best. The inside palm bearing the Wilson logo has been worn down as well. The glove has a photo match and has been authenticated by Mears. Troy Kuinen of Mears was quoted as saying "It's the nicest Clemens glove they have ever seen". This may be the finest game used article found from the games all time best pitcher.”

It appears that Historic Auctions either chose to disregard the updated information that can be documented as being provided prior to the close of the auction or overlooked it as an administrative over site.

I would ask that anyone knowing the individual who purchased this glove, have him contract Troy Kinunen at MEARS and we will gladly provide him/her with the same information that Historic Auctions was sent prior to the close of the auction. If the sale of this glove is not voided by Historic Auctions based on the revised information that was in their possession at the time of the sale, MEARS is more than willing to assist the winning bidder in perusing other means of remedy.

Dave Grob
Policy Director
MEARS

[3arod13]

My resent post was directly taken from Mears website.

[ironmanfan]

Is the buyer of this glove backed by the MEARS guarantee that they offer to refund if they make a mistake?

Thanks,

Dave

The auction house rec'd Mear's retraction letter the morning of the last day of the auction & should have pulled the glove from their auction at that time. Can anyone here imagine Lampson doing someone similarly noble?

[cohibasmoker]

Wow, if I read what I thought I read, why in the world would Historic allow the Clemens' auction to continue? I can't wait to read Historic Auctions side of the story.

Jim

[kingjammy24]

Wow, if I read what I thought I read, why in the world would Historic allow the Clemens' auction to continue? I can't wait to read Historic Auctions side of the story.

Jim

i don't mean to sound inappropriate here but this thread has honestly provided some great laughs for me. jim you capped it off perfectly! why oh why would historic proceed with an item that they were informed was bad. a mystery for the ages!

as for historic's side of the story, don't hold your breath. i've yet to see them ever respond to anything. the only response i've seen from them is to block all links originating from this forum. they're the only auction house to make such a savvy business move. that may be as close to an answer as we'll ever have about anything from historic.

rudy.

[cohibasmoker]

In conversations with another forum member, he brought up a interesting point. And that point is,

it's getting to a point where the seller's on eBay are more trustworthy than some of the auctions houses.

Jim