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hblakewolf
10-30-2007, 07:55 PM
Currently offered in the Historic Auction listing is a pair of "1987 Mike Schmidt Phillies game worn pants":
http://www.historicauctions.com/search/list/auctionid/40566/

Description reads, "This pair of Rawlings Size 34 home pants were used by Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt in the 1987 season. This was the first and may have been the only pair of home pants issued to him in that great season. These pants were signed beautifully by Schmidt and show very nice game use".

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Notice the tagging: The Phillies/Rawlings embroidered their pants by listing the players' uniform number first, then the waist size, etc. Notice that these pants are identified as uniform number 40, not 20 as it should be for Schmidt's uniform number 20. Number 40 was worn by pitcher Steve Bedrosian for the entire 1987 season.

Below, please see 3 pairs of Phillies 1987 pants I currently own:
Home white #20 Mike Schmidt
Road blue #20 Mike Schmidt
Road blue #40 Steve Bedrosian
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The Phillies recycled their 1987 pants to their various minor league teams in 1988, thus, the names written in the waist in black marker.

I emailed Mr. Brown at Historic, and asked how these can be attributed to Schmidt (and how the 1983 Phillies Carlton jacket could have a sleeve patch when the Phillies did not use the patch on their jackets, only their game jerseys)? Clearly, their information is not correct on these pants, in the fact that I have another pair of correctly tagged Schmidt pants, thus, the pair they have could not be the only pair worn, if indeed they were even attributed to Schmidt, or could be traced back to him wearing them.

Mr. Brown responded:
From: James Brown [mailto:james@historicauctions.com]
Sent: Tue 10/30/2007 5:16 PM
To: Howard Wolf
Subject: RE: QUESTION ABOUT PHILLIES ITEMS

Mr. Wolf,
I appreciate you emailing me regarding these two items. I will look into both and see what further information I can obtain regarding each. I will let you know as soon as I know something.
James

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In summary, I purchased over 2,000 pairs of pants direclty from the Phillies, dating from 1974-2002. I never saw a pair that was originally worn by another player first, then by Schmidt at a later date. Likewise, why would Schmidt wear Steve Bedrosians pants in 1987, when Bedrosian himself would have worn them? Furthermore, there is no identifiaction even indicating Schmidt would have worn these (no #20 written in).

I eagerly await receiving Mr. Browns response.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

P.S.-If interested in either pair of my Schmidt pants, I am open to all reasonable offers.

hblakewolf
10-30-2007, 07:58 PM
The link to show the pants is blocked by Historic. If you go to http://www.historicauctions.com and search under SCHMIDT PANTS, you will see the pants.

http://www.historicauctions.com/images/listings/65E6A2BC-1111-B1F9-F3C63B26D63DF54E/DSC_6281.JPG (http://www.historicauctions.com/search/showphotos/auctionid/40566/)

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

flaco1801
11-03-2007, 12:33 PM
howard, sheesh didnt u see he signed them that makes them his... this is 2007 get with it :)

hblakewolf
11-03-2007, 12:40 PM
4 days after making this post and also directing my concern to the Owner of Historic, James Brown, no further update or communication from him.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

hblakewolf
12-03-2007, 10:25 AM
UPDATE:

After James Brown repsonded to my initial email, and assured me he would investigate, I never heard back. I sent 4 emails, seeking an answer as to how these can be listed as Schmidt's.

The pants sold for over $200., however, I have no idea how these can be attributed to Schmidt:
1. Embroidery indicates they were worn by Steve Bedrosian
2. Phillies ordered pants for Schmidt in 1987, and would not have
had him wearing another players.
3. I have 2 pairs of 1987 Schmidt pants, both have his unform #
embroidered.
4. The pants were simply autographed by Schmidt, but issued and worn
by Bedrosian.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Mike Schmidt Signed Game Used Pants

Watch this item (http://www.historicauctions.com/index.cfm?&fuseaction=search.Watch&auctionid=40566)
http://www.historicauctions.com/images/listings/65E6A2BC-1111-B1F9-F3C63B26D63DF54E/DSC_6275.JPG (http://www.historicauctions.com/search/showphotos/auctionid/40566/)


Auction ID: 40566

Final Price: $232.65 (with BP)
Start Time: Oct 29, 2007 10:00:00 AM
End Time: Dec 1, 2007 3:51:26 AM

Bidding is Closed

Number of Bids: 5



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This pair of Rawlings Size 34 home pants were used by Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt in the 1987 season. This was the first and may have been the only pair of home pants issued to him in that great season. These pants were signed beautifully by Schmidt and show very nice game use.