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hblakewolf
09-25-2007, 08:04 PM
Besides the year tag being completely different than the standard Wilson embroidery, how many other problems does this "rare 1985 Clemens jersey" have?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROGER-CLEMENS-SIGNED-GAME-USED-BOSTON-RED-SOX-JERSEY_W0QQitemZ290164001625QQihZ019QQcategoryZ272 64QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Vintagedeputy
09-25-2007, 10:44 PM
First thing that caught my eye is that horrible fake autograph!

ironmanfan
09-26-2007, 08:34 AM
First thing that caught my eye is that horrible fake autograph!

While I concur with Howard regarding the tagging issues, I'm not sure the autograph is a "horrible fake one." Certainly appears to be a authentic vintage mid-1980's Clemens graph....:confused:

hblakewolf
09-26-2007, 08:48 AM
It should be further noted that not only is the year tag manufactured in a non-traditional Wilson style embroidery, but the tag in the collar is also wrong! Both the year tag and Wilson tag should be sewn in the tail.

Any thoughts on the numbers?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Vintagedeputy
09-26-2007, 08:54 AM
While I concur with Howard regarding the tagging issues, I'm not sure the autograph is a "horrible fake one." Certainly appears to be a authentic vintage mid-1980's Clemens graph....:confused:


Maybe Roger had an "off day" or signing cloth makes his autograph look different but I'd bet next weeks paycheck that this auto is a fake. Just too many odd things about it compared to other Clemens autos I've seen. Even compared to the one you showed, it doesnt match up. I still say fake.

karamaxjoe
09-26-2007, 07:21 PM
The numbers look fine but the last year the Red Sox had the Wilson tag in the collar was 1981. I also located a couple other Clemens jerseys from 1985 and they were size 44.

Mike

bigjimsguitars
09-26-2007, 07:44 PM
The tag appears to be a legit Wilson Tag, but from the Minors and appears to be like the one on my Riverside Class A California League Jersey from the early 90's.

I'm not a tagging expert by any means, but do know what it looks like.

I will post a picture later...

bigjimsguitars
09-26-2007, 09:02 PM
Okay, as promised, here's a some pic's of a couple of Minor League Wison Jerseys and their respective Tags.

The first set is of Riverside Class A California League from around 1990:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/bi/bigjimmead/WilsonTag.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/bi/bigjimmead/WilsonTag1.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/bi/bigjimmead/WilsonTag2.jpg

And here's a 1992 Edmonton Trappers Jersey:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/bi/bigjimmead/WilsonTag3.jpg


http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/bi/bigjimmead/WilsonTag4.jpg


Without passing judgement, is it possible the Clemens Jersey is a Minor League Wilson that has been altered?

Carlevv
09-27-2007, 01:48 PM
Guys as far as the autograph its real. One way to prove it is look at the letters in his writing. Roger personalized a photo of me and him last night in Tampa and its his writing hasnt changed a bit. The handwriting matches which leads me to believe the auto is real. I dont have a camera with me otherwise i'd show you guys. Hope i helped a little.

Carlevv
09-27-2007, 01:50 PM
Oops im sorry, the writing on the picture in this thread is the same on my photo. Not the jersey writing. My bad fellas.

bigjimsguitars
09-28-2007, 08:49 PM
Geez, I feel so stupid....the darn Wilson Tag is in the wrong place! It should be on the outside left bottom of the front and should also have a sewn on swatch of material (same material as the Jersey) under it with 85 (for the year) on it....

My premise of it being a Minor League Jersey may be the ticket....